Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Radon87000]

the home button quickness in iOS 10.3.3 was a bug similar to the no-animation glitch. Apple fixed the bug in iOS 11, intentionally, and now the home button response works as designed.

Then why is the feedback entry not closed? They know it was done on purpose to fix a bug so they should just close all the entries.
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Imagine this but s/tumah/bug/. It's not. It's intentional unification of timing and animation over all devices with a button.

They resolved a part of the app switcher home button delay in iOS 11.2. Its possible they can fix the quit app function as well

The one on the left is 11.2 . The one on the right is iOS 11.1. Seems similar to home button delay.

 

[I7guy]

Then why is the feedback entry not closed? They know it was done on purpose to fix a bug so they should just close all the entries.

I can only conjecture why the feedback is open. Suffice it to say Apple may want to keep it open for reasons we don’t know about.

 

[fisherking]

I already acknowledged the possibility it could be a bug. Thats why I use the word "If" in my post. If they dont fix it/leave feedback open indefinitely/close the entry, then its not a bug but done on purpose

then maybe you need to calm down. it's early in the ios cycle, give it time. either way, for the millionth time, there's no way for you to prove intent... proof requires facts, which would have to come from the source (apple).

and/or maybe 17guy or c dm has it right. either way, continuing to believe a theory you invent based on what you assume is not the same as knowing the truth of something.

 

[Feenician]

The one on the left is 11.2 . The one on the right is iOS 11.1. Seems similar to home button delay.

And they act the same on all devices with a button. Simple.

One more time: All devices with a button now act the same.

 

[Radon87000]

I'm going to open Pandora's box even wider with this:

The new animation for scrolling to the top shortcut in iOS 11.1 now sort of decelerates a bit as it finishes which makes it feel slower than before. This is clearly intentional to slow down the ability to quickly scroll up using that tap at the top shortcut so that people would want to get the iPhone X where they won't want to tap at the top since there's a notch there in the middle.

Thats a slower animation. We have been having these changes since the iOS 8 days. Its not input lag which is much worse. Slow animations and stuttering happen with upgrades all the time

 

[Feenician]

Its not input lag

The home button doesn't have input lag either. It has a specific, intentional, timing delay - the same one that has existed all along on every device with the exception of the 7 for a year. The 7 on iOS 10 was the anomaly. The anomaly is gone.

 

[Radon87000]

I can only conjecture why the feedback is open. Suffice it to say Apple may want to keep it open for reasons we don’t know about.

Which means Apple is having second thoughts about this or it could just be just a farce.But I dont see why they would keep it open for years on end when closing it is so easy. I think they are having second thoughts and considering the app switcher being activated faster on 11.2 than 11.1, the fix may be incoming.
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The home button doesn't have input lag either. It has a specific, intentional, timing delay - the same one that has existed all along on every device with the exception of the 7 for a year. The 7 on iOS 10 was the anomaly. The anomaly is gone.

Its input lag because its infact a delay in response to input. Thats what input lag is.

My iPad with a mechanical button on iOS 10 has a faster response than my iPhone 7. In fact if you will see the first test between my iPhone 6 and 7 Plus I did on the first page, the 6 was faster. If I do that same test now with 6 on iOS 11, the 7 and 6 close apps at the same speed.

 

[fisherking]

Which means Apple is having second thoughts about this or it could just be just a farce.But I dont see why they would keep it open for years on end when closing it is so easy. I think they are having second thoughts and considering the app switcher being activated faster on 11.2 than 11.1, the fix may be incoming.

"which means...", "I think".... opinions, dude, just your opinions. the farce is this thread itself.

 

[C DM]

Thats a slower animation. We have been having these changes since the iOS 8 days. Its not input lag which is much worse. Slow animations and stuttering happen with upgrades all the time

So it's all a conspiracy to promote the notch!

 

[Radon87000]

So it's all a conspiracy to promote the notch!

Cant you tap the status bar on iPhone X to jump to the top?

 

[I7guy]

Which means Apple is having second thoughts about this or it could just be just a farce.But I dont see why they would keep it open for years on end when closing it is so easy. I think they are having second thoughts and considering the app switcher being activated faster on 11.2 than 11.1, the fix may be incoming.
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Its input lag because its infact a delay in response to input. Thats what input lag is.

Can’t outguess apples intentions. And Not everybody experiences input lag.

My iPad with a mechanical button on iOS 10 has a faster response than my iPhone 7. In fact if you will see the first test between my iPhone 6 and 7 Plus I did on the first page, the 6 was faster. If I do that same test now with 6 on iOS 11, the 7 and 6 close apps at the same speed.

Okay will take your word for it.

Cant you tap the status bar on iPhone X to jump to the top?

So you believe Apple got rid of tap to top?

 

[Feenician]

Its input lag because its infact a delay in response to input. Thats what input lag is.

Bzzzt. Wrong.

In electronic hardware development, input lag is the delay between an electronic input signal being generated (pressing a button as above) and processed (I/O ports have been read, and memory updated to reflect the state of the input)

Input lag is the inability to process input in a timely fashion it is NOT a timed pause to wait for a secondary input.

 

[Radon87000]

Can’t outguess apples intentions. And Not everybody experiences input lag.

That's because there is no guessing needed. They kept it open because it wasn't a bug fix. Apple feels those who posted this feedback have a valid cause for complaint.

So you believe Apple got rid of tap to top?

CDM is saying that slower animation for tap to top is because of iPhone X which can't be the case as it should work the same on iPhone X.
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Bzzzt. Wrong.



Input lag is the inability to process input in a timely fashion it is NOT a timed pause to wait for a secondary input.

The effect is the same thing. Input lag can be due to lack of optimisation or timed delay.

 

[Feenician]

The effect is the same thing. Input lag can be due to lack of optimisation or timed delay.

No, it can’t. There is no input lag, just an intentional timed delay while waiting for further input, one that matches all other iOS devices with a button ever made, except for one model, for one year. End of story.

 

[I7guy]

That's because there is no guessing needed. They kept it open because it wasn't a bug fix. Apple feels those who posted this feedback have a valid cause for complaint.

Or your opinion is completely off base. It’s open because of apples reason, they’ve fixed a bug in iOS 11 related to this and are keeping the case open for reasons unknown to you.

CDM is saying that slower animation for tap to top is because of iPhone X which can't be the case as it should work the same on iPhone X.

The new way is better looking from an interface perspective than the old way.

The effect is the same thing. Input lag can be due to lack of optimisation or timed delay.

One is not lag, one is a lack of optimization and still not lag.

 

[Wolfpup]

It’s been almost a month and it’s still not on iOS 10 level of smoothness. I am using iOS 10 on my iPad Pro 12.9 2017 and it’s unreal how smooth it is in comparison. Not encountering a single stutter on it.No home button delays. No battery drain. Battery life is also below average on iOS 11 even now.

1st, you need the new OS for security regardless.

Second, I've run iOS 11 on an iPhone 6s, SE (the same thing really) and an Air 2, and it runs as well as 10 on all of them.

Not to mention, iOS 11 is even more different/better on an iPad.

 

[fisherking]

1st, you need the new OS for security regardless.

Second, I've run iOS 11 on an iPhone 6s, SE (the same thing really) and an Air 2, and it runs as well as 10 on all of them.

Not to mention, iOS 11 is even more different/better on an iPad.

it's pointless, radon87000 is going to argue until the world ends, and is sure that anyone who contradicts him is either: lying, not seeing what's there, an apple apologist... or all 3.

meanwhile, i continue to enjoy a stellar, as-good-as ios10-or-better experience on my SE (calculator not withstanding).

 

[Radon87000]

1st, you need the new OS for security regardless.

Second, I've run iOS 11 on an iPhone 6s, SE (the same thing really) and an Air 2, and it runs as well as 10 on all of them.

Not to mention, iOS 11 is even more different/better on an iPad.

I care more about performance than security. I absolutely adore the ProMotion technology in my iPad. I am not about to ruin it with the random stutters of iOS 11. It’s got a 120hz refresh rate which makes stutters even more obvious than my iPhone. Also my battery can last 3 days with low use and 2 days with moderate use. Using my iPhone 7 as a starting point, iOS 11 will reduce it to 1 day. I am not about to ruin a perfectly good tablet whose home Button is also more responsive than my iPhone.

I upgraded to iOS 11 on my 7 thinking Apple might fix it but that didn’t happen so I am not getting fooled thrice.

 

[d5aqoëp]

The home button doesn't have input lag either. It has a specific, intentional, timing delay - the same one that has existed all along on every device with the exception of the 7 for a year. The 7 on iOS 10 was the anomaly. The anomaly is gone.

This is extremely false. All iDevices show instantaneous Home button response on iOS 10.
You should become a lawyer LMAO.

 

[Feenician]

This is extremely false. All iDevices show instantaneous Home button response on iOS 10.
You should become a lawyer LMAO.

Now that's just a plain lie.

IPhone 6 iOS 11.0.1 vs 10.3.3. The home button responds as quickly. Consistently faster to close apps actually.

"LMAO"

The anomaly was the 7 on iOS 10. That anomaly is gone.

 

[imagineadam]

You can interrupt iOS 10 animations instantly with the physical home button. I'm not sure if you can anymore with iOS 11 with the physical home buttons.

And yes iOS 11 does have a faster close animation compared to iOS 10 which is why it looks faster with on the physical home buttons because the timing is the same on them.

On the capacative home button iOS 10 on the 7 the close animation is faster every time because there is no delay to get it started. I wouldn't call it an anomaly. I'd call it apple trying to show it off as faster and better than the physical home buttons before it. Now it's back to the same slow delay on iOS 11 as the physical home button iPhones. Weird choice if you ask me. If they removed the delay to close on the capacative home buttons the close animation would smoke iOS 10's on the 7. But they have yet to do this. So it remains slower than iOS 10 on the 7.

You can bip around much faster going in and out of apps on the 7 on iOS 10 than you can on the 8 on iOS 11. It's weird. I was baffled when I compared mine at the store to the 8. Why they have to take a step forward and then 3 steps back with the feel of the OS makes no sense to me.

 

[Radon87000]

You can interrupt iOS 10 animations instantly with the physical home button. I'm not sure if you can anymore with iOS 11 with the physical home buttons.

And yes iOS 11 does have a faster close animation compared to iOS 10 which is why it looks faster with on the physical home buttons because the timing is the same on them.

On the capacative home button iOS 10 on the 7 the close animation is faster every time because there is no delay to get it started. I wouldn't call it an anomaly. I'd call it apple trying to show it off as faster and better than the physical home buttons before it. Now it's back to the same slow delay on iOS 11 as the physical home button iPhones. Weird choice if you ask me. If they removed the delay to close on the capacative home buttons the close animation would smoke iOS 10's on the 7. But they have yet to do this. So it remains slower than iOS 10 on the 7.

You can bip around much faster going in and out of apps on the 7 on iOS 10 than you can on the 8 on iOS 11. It's weird. I was baffled when I compared mine at the store to the 8. Why they have to take a step forward and then 3 steps back with the feel of the OS makes no sense to me.

If not fixed, than it’s because next year all iPhones have no home buttons. No point spending any money on legacy components. Better spend it optimising it for the X so next year’s iPhones are benefited as well.

Once I get the X, I will keep it on iOS 11 and not upgrade to 12. That’s the only way to keep these devices running efficiently like designed.

 

[ZEEN0j]

That Apple's implementation, to wait. Why not instant response?

When the os detects the first button press, initiate action 1. When the os detects a double tap, stop action 1 and initiate action 2.

You get very erratic behavior with animations doing that.

 

[fisherking]

If not fixed, than it’s because next year all iPhones have no home buttons. No point spending any money on legacy components. Better spend it optimising it for the X so next year’s iPhones are benefited as well.

Once I get the X, I will keep it on iOS 11 and not upgrade to 12. That’s the only way to keep these devices running efficiently like designed.

my SE runs as good (or better) in ios11 as it did in ios10, so your theory remains... your theory, and has nothing to do with fact.

 

[I7guy]

I care more about performance than security. I absolutely adore the ProMotion technology in my iPad. I am not about to ruin it with the random stutters of iOS 11. It’s got a 120hz refresh rate which makes stutters even more obvious than my iPhone. Also my battery can last 3 days with low use and 2 days with moderate use. Using my iPhone 7 as a starting point, iOS 11 will reduce it to 1 day. I am not about to ruin a perfectly good tablet whose home Button is also more responsive than my iPhone.

I upgraded to iOS 11 on my 7 thinking Apple might fix it but that didn’t happen so I am not getting fooled thrice.

Your strategy then is to never upgrade. That’s not mine but to each their own.