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AI can't do math.

The struggle of wording things correctly is a struggle because that's part of the learning process, which is literally reconfiguring the neurons in your brain to make you better for the next time. Avoiding the struggle means you're avoiding the learning process. The same goes for developing language skills.
My math is much better then my grammar, especially the English grammar 😂

All type of AI becomes better as we use it.
I bought a lifetime license of RewriteBar pretty cheap, under a limited time.
So glad I did - it fills all my needs of AI for now, and it evolves in every upgrade.
Just on my Mac's - but I rarely have use for anything like that on phone and iPad anyway.

So no subscription of Apple's AI, when it comes to EU, and I can continue to have Siri buried.
 
LLM AIs are not particularly good at math. Other kinds of AI, like Apple Math Notes are written specifically for that purpose and can handle it quite well.

Math Notes is not AI at all. It's the same as a programming language parser, which has existed since computers were invented. At that point you're just saying that people should learn how to use the tools they already have and this is nothing to do with AI.
 
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Math Notes is not AI at all. It's the same as a programming language parser, which has existed since computers were invented. At that point you're just saying that people should learn how to use the tools they already have and this is nothing to do with AI.
It does use AI to interpret what you write and convert that to equations. Then it uses more AI to generate more numbers using your drawing style. It is not a Chatbot type of AI.
 
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I think that's a bit of a hyperbolic example though. We're not talking about intricate skills here, we're talking about common, basic tasks being done more efficiently (and sometimes better). If I have 100 numbers to add up, I'm going to do it in a couple of minutes on a calculator or a computer rather than spend much longer doing it manually with more scope for error. That doesn't mean that I'm going to lose my ability to do it manually in a crisis. Likewise, if I have a task that I can do quicker and potentially better using AI, I'm going to use AI.

I recently wrote a long report and needed to finish it off by providing an executive summary, something that a year ago might have taken me an hour or so. Using Copilot, I generated one in seconds, then spent about 5 minutes checking it and making a couple of tweaks and ended up with a product that was arguably better than what I would have written from scratch, especially as I was having one of those 'thick head days'. There's lots of times I've been struggling to word something so have put my clumsy effort into ChatGPT and have thought 'yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say' at the output. None of those things erode my ability to write something myself should the need arise. Indeed, I'd argue that seeing how AI can re-parse what I've written can be a good learning opportunity.

It's also a great enabler. I manage a team of people across EMEA and despite English being the lingua franca of the company I work for, language skills vary between individuals and sometimes language weaknesses detract from the quality of what they produce. However, Copilot now means that work can be turned into good quality business English, which they have the language skills to review for accuracy even if they were unable to write it themselves in the first place. Plus, as several have mentioned, reviewing what AI produces from their input actually helps their language development. Even in a group of primary English speakers, you may have somebody who has great ideas but lacks the skills to communicate these well, but with AI that's something that can be overcome.
You hit hard on what I think might be the source of the deniers, still going strong years after this world of AI tools has been introduced. It has the potential to lift up everybody and many of the people complaining are losing their edge over others. Suddenly, someone lacking in word craft (maybe whose English is their third language) can express him/herself as efficiently and succinctly as a native speaker.

It’s no different than taking a bus, taxi or car for going places. Sure thing in a crisis or in specific moments we still walk, but the deniers try to make looking using a car as if it is cheating.

And I concur that the learning opportunities are definitely there, besides proper English grammar and formatting, I find leveraging ChatGPT to ease into new programming languages by creating dumb boilerplate code but that’s syntax correct is useful. Like how to declare a variable or basic formatting rules is useful.

Sure, always reading the docs and checking out the things we don’t understand why they work to begin with… but instad of asking something about a Python ‘for loop’ in StackOverflow (which will be met with hostility), would rather start with AI and even ask where to look for more.
 
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How much Kool Aid has everyone drunk on AI, especially the Marketing people and the Executives who sign off on this crap? This is a sales pitch to the most lazy and incompetent people in the workplace.

I find it very strange that anyone thinks this is the future we want. So now every a**h*le and slacker can just skate by doing nothing at work, and rely on AI to make them look good, while the people who actually put in effort and do the work are supposed to be happy about it?

This is a true sign that the AI hype has gotten so out of control that everyone has lost their grip on reality.
While I agree, let me take it a level deeper: what this shows is that these jobs are at least somewhat doable by AI. By downplaying and dissing on this tech, it means dissing on the jobs themselves.
Just the fact that they CAN skate doing nothing and rely on AI to shine says it all to me about the nature of that work and the work of the surrounding coworkers.

The more I have moved into bigger corporate worlds (though my job is 95% hands on the dough skills set based) the more I realize how much waste and uselessness there is. And the meetings about meetings are driving the world nuts… maybe AI will be able to chime in on this too.

Conclusion: “you know, I’m more… like… an ideas guy” or a corporate “I know brah! Genius! Subscriptions brah!” is a slacker whether he works hard and long writing with a chisel, or pen and paper, or a typewriter, or a computer, or AI.

I just need a tool or hint that an email was written by an AI so I can ignore it.
Using a tool would be a bit missing the point as even email tools use some sort of neural network to parse it.
And a full fledged AI tool could instantly tag and ignore a message automatically… so it would all be the use of AI, which is what we are demonizing here.

I guess to keep it clean, could just write back the person “did you use AI for this” before attempting to read it.

(Not something I would do, I’m not against AI, just pointing out the circular situation here).
 
You hit hard on what I think might be the source of the deniers, still going strong years after this world of AI tools has been introduced. It has the potential to lift up everybody and many of the people complaining are losing their edge over others. Suddenly, someone lacking in word craft (maybe whose English is their third language) can express him/herself as efficiently and succinctly as a native speaker.

It’s no different than taking a bus, taxi or car for going places. Sure thing in a crisis or in specific moments we still walk, but the deniers try to make looking using a car as if it is cheating.

And I concur that the learning opportunities are definitely there, besides proper English grammar and formatting, I find leveraging ChatGPT to ease into new programming languages by creating dumb boilerplate code but that’s syntax correct is useful. Like how to declare a variable or basic formatting rules is useful.

Sure, always reading the docs and checking out the things we don’t understand why they work to begin with… but instad of asking something about a Python ‘for loop’ in StackOverflow (which will be met with hostility), would rather start with AI and even ask where to look for more.

It doesn't lift anyone up. I think you're giving it more credit than due. It just produces credible sounding answers. If a poorly educated person prompts it to do something and it produces a credible sounding but incorrect answer, how does that person proceed to validate the output?

Fundamentally due to the statistical errors, which are large, you need a level of understanding of the problem domain greater than the level of the LLM to use it in the first place. Otherwise the errors are multiplicative and success tends downwards.

With respect to programming languages and dumb boilerplate, that is a fundamental problem with the language itself and needs to be dealt with through evolving the language rather than something which should be accepted and written off as fit for automation.

On the first point I've tried to use various LLMs to approach problems where I am an expert in the domain and the answers are always below average and about 30% of the time completely incorrect. Nearly every time it takes longer to validate the answers than to do the work in the first place. I figure that if I apply it to a domain that I do not know as well, where will I stand?

Thus the only thing propelling this turd along is ignorance and acceptance of it.
 
It doesn't lift anyone up. I think you're giving it more credit than due. It just produces credible sounding answers. If a poorly educated person prompts it to do something and it produces a credible sounding but incorrect answer, how does that person proceed to validate the output?

Fundamentally due to the statistical errors, which are large, you need a level of understanding of the problem domain greater than the level of the LLM to use it in the first place. Otherwise the errors are multiplicative and success tends downwards.

With respect to programming languages and dumb boilerplate, that is a fundamental problem with the language itself and needs to be dealt with through evolving the language rather than something which should be accepted and written off as fit for automation.

On the first point I've tried to use various LLMs to approach problems where I am an expert in the domain and the answers are always below average and about 30% of the time completely incorrect. Nearly every time it takes longer to validate the answers than to do the work in the first place. I figure that if I apply it to a domain that I do not know as well, where will I stand?

Thus the only thing propelling this turd along is ignorance and acceptance of it.
Alright, I think you come with a sound point of view.

But let me suggest then, in your case, to forget about all things AI, uninstall all AI programs and even browser history, forget about the existence of it and all these posts.
Seems like it definitely hasn’t worked for you and never will. Won’t even ever need it, as you have clear and better higher understanding of the problems it is trying to help with anyways.

I wouldn’t worry about “someone using it to create turd” either as you will be able to spot turd a mile away no matter if it was with AI or not. Someone that creates turd will do so with or without the help of AI anyways, as the issue is not having a clear understanding of the problem. And, as per your words, AI guarantees a lesser result, ultimately helping you and others trim it out even faster.

Suddenly, if I put myself in the same shoes, this AI thing over here is a total non-issue.
 


Apple last week released iOS 18.1, iPadOS 18.1, and macOS Sequoia 15.1 with the first set of Apple Intelligence features on the iPhone, iPad, and Mac, including Writing Tools. Within the Writing Tools suite, there is an option to change the tone of text you write to be friendly, professional, or concise, along with the ability to have text summarized into key points. Apple highlighted these capabilities today in two humorous Mac ads.

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In the first ad, a furious employee types out an angry, unprofessional email to a coworker who is apparently stealing their pudding. Before sending the email, they use Writing Tools to change the tone of the email to be friendlier.



In the second ad, an employee uses Apple Intelligence to quickly catch up on the key points in documents being discussed during a meeting.


Apple Intelligence is available on the iPhone 15 Pro, iPhone 15 Pro Max, any iPhone 16 model, any Mac with an M-series chip, and any iPad with an M-series or A17 Pro chip.

Article Link: Apple Intelligence's Writing Tools Feature Highlighted in Humorous Ads


This is so hood! When did App eva be so cultural, vs just using culture pretending to be?!



My Brutha at 0:06 wiht his wicked rapid blink is saying to Lance 'Brah, Brah! If ya feeling itis' U need to be on-da same side of da table as the speaker to pull it off! Ya making us look baaad!'

next man at 0:11 is like 'Damn that's good, I could use that suck-up line in da future, gotta remember that one (mental note taken, thx Lance)'

Lance's back track praying for a come-up solution ... then remembers A.i. the way it should be used (and no doubt has been tried at Apple before.


You see THIS is what I forgotten about Apple, what I forgot their marketing team is so good at.

This should be the NEW Mac icon!

Can somebody create a Mac Icon using Lance's face and body here please?!
 

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Apple might have added AI rewriting features to their e-mail services more than a year after Microsoft and Google did with theirs, but Apple's definitely got the much better ads. :cool:
apple summary has been apart of Mac since Mac OS X Puma!

somehow Craig & team managed to remove that great feature just before Big Sur launched! Ol Mac heads can confirm this
 
How much Kool Aid has everyone drunk on AI, especially the Marketing people and the Executives who sign off on this crap? This is a sales pitch to the most lazy and incompetent people in the workplace.

I find it very strange that anyone thinks this is the future we want. So now every a**h*le and slacker can just skate by doing nothing at work, and rely on AI to make them look good, while the people who actually put in effort and do the work are supposed to be happy about it?

This is a true sign that the AI hype has gotten so out of control that everyone has lost their grip on reality.
^ this been typed using Apple Intelligence :)
 
apple summary has been apart of Mac since Mac OS X Puma!

somehow Craig & team managed to remove that great feature just before Big Sur launched! Ol Mac heads can confirm this
Apple Summary was first created years ago using much more primitive technology and never really went anywhere. This new feature uses a much more flexible LLM.
 
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