I would not agree it is better than Touch ID. It's definitely slower. However, I am interested in Gen 2 next year as well. Hopefully it won't follow the current Apple Path as iOS 11, and OS 10.13.
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iPhone X Apple is losing its mainstream, non-fan core with the X
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I would not agree it is better than Touch ID. It's definitely slower. However, I am interested in Gen 2 next year as well. Hopefully it won't follow the current Apple Path as iOS 11, and OS 10.13.
Well sadly this is the future of these top brands.
Even the note 8 is close to £900.
I can only see it getting worse while smaller companies with affordable prices get more market share
I would not agree it is better than Touch ID. It's definitely slower. However, I am interested in Gen 2 next year as well. Hopefully it won't follow the current Apple Path as iOS 11, and OS 10.13.
Reason why it’s better for me is on IOS 11 my 7 plus used to lag like crazy and cause issues taking 4-5 secs to open the phone
But I guess that was apples plan
It could be the start of the decline of the huge sales figures we’ve seen over the past few years then. That doesn’t make any difference to us but these companies seem concerned people aren’t upgrading as often yet are creating the problem with raising the prices?
They’ve created a culture now where the average person is going beyond their two year contract with a phone and sim only contracts are booming. I think people are becoming increasingly turned off by being told the top handsets are now £50+ per month with a hefty upfront cost. I was quite shocked that CPW in the UK had a 60% drop in sales and Apple have sold around 30m per device across their new range worldwide. It’s clear the market is changing.
I agree. I think Apple will best last years Q1 iPhone sales, but that will be it. Declining after Q1 2018. No Super Cycles. This is a good article.
https://www.thestreet.com/story/144...er-instinet-clips-iphone-sales-forecasts.html
I know there is no real proof of this sort of thing but it’s bad that a year old phone is suffering so much with an update. I’m sure my iPhone 6S lags but I don’t look for it. Your phone was still technically a new device yet is now considered old tech by Apple and many users here.Reason why it’s better for me is on IOS 11 my 7 plus used to lag like crazy and cause issues taking 4-5 secs to open the phone
But I guess that was apples plan
I really want to buy an iPhone 8 next year but am wondering how they are going to screw it up when it’s gets to a year old. Saying that the iPhone 7 is currently selling better than this time last year according to a few sources.
Well this was the weird thing it was smooth as anything using the device. However using Touch ID was a frustration. It’s almost like Apple are saying Face ID won’t do this so upgrade lol.
That is weird. I haven’t had any issues with TouchID myself. It’s not as instant as it used to be but still opens the phone in under 2 seconds so I can’t really be fussy about that. I don’t tend to notice it as much as I mostly unlock my phone as I’m picking it up before I’ve even looked at it so the lag is often hidden.
This ridiculous FUD needs to stop. Look, X is not for everyone and there are great alternatives, but Face ID does NOT need another generation to be great, because it already is. Sure, you can always improve something and Apple will find ways to make it even better, but it’s pretty amazing now, better than Touch ID for a majority of users and it’s FAR from a beta product.
Again, you don’t have to like the X, you can prefer Touch ID - all fine. But there is an ongoing narrative on these forums that Face ID is somehow prone to failure or not ready.... That’s just not true.
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It took two years for Apple to upgrade Touch ID, we don’t know if there will be an improvement with Face ID next year. Why would it? There’s no rush.
For me it was the home button delay and battery drain. My 7 Plus frustrated me with the battery drain and the delay in the home button. Seemed to be a nudge to me as well.
Yeah battery was certainly worse too now that I think about it. It’s why I’ve said how much better my battery life is on the x.
Sounds like we had the same issue.
Did you check your Geekbench scores? It's been confirmed Apple are throttling the iPhone 6s processor which is causing it to lag on iOS 11. Check your geekbench score. If it's low(Half) you should visit the Apple Store and get it sorted.
I wouldn’t have a clue how to check a geekbench score to be honest, is it an app?
Yeah. Its a nominal purchase on the App store. Search and download the Geekbench app and run a CPU benchmark. It takes just 2-3 minutes to complete. If your 6s is affected your scores will be as low as an iPhone 6.
I might get that then for curiosity. Is there a set of figures to compare it to as I don’t know what is slow and what isn’t?
Yes. This is the standard score for a 6s. The throttling mainly occurs when your battery percentage is middling so check it at 60% battery level or lower or if your phone is one of the worst case scenarios it will throttle at 90% as well
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/liePl
I agree. I think Apple will best last years Q1 iPhone sales, but that will be it. Declining after Q1 2018. No Super Cycles. This is a good article.
https://www.thestreet.com/story/144...er-instinet-clips-iphone-sales-forecasts.html
"Declining" is such a scary word.
Do you mean more than what they currently do after the big Holiday quarter? If you remember... a year ago the Holiday quarter was 78 million units... but in following quarters it dropped to 50 million, 41 million and 46 million. And that's been the pattern for years.
But are we worried that iPhone sales will keep dropping? To dangerous levels? Or is there some point where it will level-off? Plateau?
There's obviously gonna be a market for iPhones. It's a well-established product/platform. There are entire industries built around the iPhone.
And nothing can grow forever. Everything peaks.
So if Apple can sell 70+ million iPhones in future Holiday quarters and 40+ million in the other quarters... for the rest of our lives... they'll be doing OK. With their margins... they'd still be doing better than all other smartphone OEMs.
And speaking of others... Samsung peaked at 88.5 million units... 4 years ago. They've never been able to beat that number.
Granted... Samsung's product mix is vastly different than Apple's ($230 ASP vs $700 ASP)... it's still interesting to see the other big smartphone OEM reach its peak and then decline/plateau.
But hardware sales are only part of the equation. Look at what Jim Cramer said in the video on the article you posted.
Let's say people keep their iPhones for an average of 3 years instead of 2 years. That would definitely affect Apple's hardware sales numbers.
But they could make money on services: Apple Music, iCloud, apps, movies, etc. Or something we don't even know about yet. As Cramer said "hugely profitable recurring transparent revenue stream"
At least Apple has that option. Apple is in a unique position in that regard.
What does HTC do when people stop buying their phones? They have no other revenue stream.
Battery drain was an incentive for me to upgrade from my 7 plus. Also because I was curious about the X despite my gripes about the price. Also there was no other upgrade option for me having tried the note 8 already.
So, battery issues are in fact one of the main things that push people to upgrade.
I am not sure they are losing anyone as sales have been consistently good for some time now. Hardware is definitely becoming less and less important though and I still think iOS has the advantage when it comes to performance, security, privacy, ecosystem, and support. What advantages does Android bring to really disrupt this? Widgets and app launchers? Terrible privacy and security? I do think that Apple prices are high, but with new tech, it usually is. So they sell the iPhone 8 also. I do think prices will come down next year so I don't see them losing many customers. Some go, some new ones come.
In reality there are better phones than the iPhone on the market. But no one can compete with Apple’s hardware working seamlessly with each other.
Ultimately it comes down to the user and it's great we have so many choices right now, but what makes the other phones better from a hardware perspective? Just price?
I don’t think Apple are losing too many users either and seem as popular as ever. Nearly everybody I know uses an iPhone but the vast majority of my friends, family and colleagues don’t upgrade every year and I’m getting the vibe that most are starting to question whether they need to get a new phone altogether when the contracts are up.
If there is a slow down in sales I think it’s more to do with people sticking with the phones they’ve got rather than going to android. This year has been quite muted in terms of people I know being excited about a new iPhone. It was like that last year too and I think it just goes to show that smartphones have been good enough for a while now and the need to upgrade is less desirable these days. I know quite a few people still using 5S’s and iPhone 6’s.
I certainly think the high cost of the X and the lack of anything really new on the 8 has put a lot of iPhone users off this year. It’ll be interesting to see how the market picks up after Christmas and how Apple react next September. It would be nice if they bring the price down of the X variant and see if it attracts more people to what they brag as the future. It ain’t the future if it remains niche lol.
I agree, everyone I know uses iPhone's. It's just a matter of time before they upgrade. I think this will continue as hardware becomes less and less important. Eventually we'll just have thin screens and that's that. Software will be key.