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Apple is not going to stop starting at 8GB anytime soon. And that's good.
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Thank you for talking sense to these people.
Yes. And Apple was right then, too.
Hahahahha literally no one on these forums is going to not purchase, and they all already purchase higher tiered devices.
How much do Apple pay for an extra 8GB of RAM? Is the small handful of dollars saved enough to make the difference between an "inexpensive" (😬) and "expensive" MacBook Pro?
Don't make me start the thread: "Apple is Not Going To Move or Update The Lightning Charging Port on The Bottom of The Magic Mouse. And that's a good thing!"
I’m fine with 8GB of ram on an entry level non pro device for those that won’t need more(many students and people who work from home are on cloud). iMacs, Airs, and Minis can all start at 8GB, IF they lower the cost. It doesn’t even have to be a substantial amount, just round it down to a nice palatable price in comparison. But if it’s a product that is marketed, named, or intended for pro use, 16GB at current 8GB prices is necessary.
Tim is that you?
Jokes aside, just from an environmental perspective 8gb feels short sighted. At this point we should be demanding (reasonable) longevity. Apple is usually good at this, but it feels like we’re hitting the end of the road for 8gb on desktop-class operating systems (if history is any indicator).
Apple may very well support these devices for years to come, but at the rate they’re improving SoC’s, ram should keep up. I worry that support will end earlier/features left out on these devices due to memory constraints. It feels wrong that my 15 Pro Max has the same amount of ram as a new MacBook Pro.
Jokes aside, just from an environmental perspective 8gb feels short sighted. At this point we should be demanding (reasonable) longevity. Apple is usually good at this, but it feels like we’re hitting the end of the road for 8gb on desktop-class operating systems (if history is any indicator).
Apple may very well support these devices for years to come, but at the rate they’re improving SoC’s, ram should keep up. I worry that support will end earlier/features left out on these devices due to memory constraints. It feels wrong that my 15 Pro Max has the same amount of ram as a new MacBook Pro.
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8gigs are fine on lower to mid end devices. The Pro line is top of the crop and 8gigs are embarassing no matter how you spin it. Keep in mind the base machine costs more than 2000bucks in Europe. Now Apple is whining that sales are low, but some genius decided it‘s better to safe 5$ for more Ram. It could have been a winner like the M1 Air, but now Apple has to publicly defend it. Shame on whoever decided on this.
They also went out of their way to design inferior internals with only one fan and the base model hits 108 degrees celsius in sustained workloads 🔥🔥🔥 can‘t innovate anymore my a$$…
8gigs are fine on lower to mid end devices. The Pro line is top of the crop and 8gigs are embarassing no matter how you spin it. Keep in mind the base machine costs more than 2000bucks in Europe. Now Apple is whining that sales are low, but some genius decided it‘s better to safe 5$ for more Ram. It could have been a winner like the M1 Air, but now Apple has to publicly defend it. Shame on whoever decided on this.
They also went out of their way to design inferior internals with only one fan and the base model hits 108 degrees celsius in sustained workloads 🔥🔥🔥 can‘t innovate anymore my a$$…
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There are plenty of options, I have no problem Apple not offering a cheaper display. They can focus on the Apple silicon. It’s like saying why doesn’t BMW make a cheaper car to compete with KIA or a Hyundai.
Sir, it's called having "courage". Think of the poor executives, they suffer enough as it is.
Apple's price ladder sometimes has a way of making you feel like you've bought an inferior product if you don't upgrade, even though the device is generally stellar in nearly every other way. I understand Apple's reasoning (they want to upsell), but $1600 is a pretty high price point to be trying to cut corners with these kinds of things at.
For most people, $1600 is not a small amount of money. A lot of people just choose to go used and to get an upgraded older model secondhand instead.
Is this Tim Cook’s burner account? You might as well sell 1gb ram and 16 gb storage while you’re at it. This is a pro laptop we’re talking about.
I think another argument to made is the green credentials and that is 8GB won’t last long which will then be forcing earlier upgrades to newer machines. Great for apples bottom line but not the environment they allegedly care so deeply about.
For me I’ve recently got 10 years out of my computers so that’s the base level I expect now and I just can’t imagine 8GB surviving.
For me I’ve recently got 10 years out of my computers so that’s the base level I expect now and I just can’t imagine 8GB surviving.
No. Let’s go back to 1GB of ram and 16GB of SSD. That way we will force developers to make more efficient apps, bla bla bla. Courage…
I’ve been drinking the koolaid since the 90’s, and I too am amazed we are still at 8GB. What bothers me most about it is the higher capacities are all BTO for the Air and other baseline CPU systems. This means we’ll never get discounts on those configurations when the retailers have sales.
Wow what leap. Apple is being greedy and cheap….nothing else. Sounds like another attempt to justify spending too much on nothing.
This is a great point. I am debating getting an MBA again since some software I now need is mac only, but man I will basically have to get it off Swappa to get a decent deal on anything but a 8/256 model. LAME.
I don’t think it’s a “good” thing, but it’s ok. I have a M2 Air with 8 GB, and it’s not just “fine,” I’ve never had it slow down, ever. Of course that’s usage dependent, but I bet my uses are a lot of people’s uses. The bigger issue than the starting amount is the price gouge for those that do need the upgrade.
I have seen sales for BTO from online places like B&H. It takes watching places like Macrumors (sometimes even down to the comments section) to hear about these deals (at least for me), but they happen occasionally.
Really? The i7-1250u barely beats an M1. Sure, 16GB might help eek it over the base, but a MacBook Air M1 with 16GB would spank this machine.
You can get a mini PC with 16/512 for even just $160: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CBTF4J7X/. Note this price also includes a Windows 11 Pro licence, and they support triple 4K monitors, and are user-upgradable. Those N100 machines are perfectly usable for moderate workloads. You can also get passively cooled fanless versions for about $300.
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People are getting side tracked bashing the Dell. The Dell itself wasn't my point. I bought 32 GB DDR5 RAM for $70 and a 1TB NVME SSD for $50 for a Gaming Laptop last month. Apple is the one that is ridiculous on these upgrade prices. The fact that they have the superior architecture when it comes to temps and battery life is immaterial.
Apparently, the geekbench performance benchmarks of that CPU are about par with a typical quad core U-series Intel chip from about 2018. Quite impressive for a tiny computer running a 6W CPU in that price point and form factor.
Plus the battery life is terrible with those Alder Lake chips. If you had a Ryzen 7 5025U would be a better price per watt. In Windows land, be careful what you pay for, if you want something good you’re still paying a minimum of $1500; which Dell’s higher class laptops are pretty solid.