I would guess thats how most would do it if they have a need for cluster. Do the design end of what you need and finish it off to the back end using the cluster. So the workstation would still fill that need.
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Apple Made Me Buy a Windows HP Workstation
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I would guess thats how most would do it if they have a need for cluster. Do the design end of what you need and finish it off to the back end using the cluster. So the workstation would still fill that need.
I didn't say it well.
The Z840 satisfies the needs of the pro at the desktop, but it's often only a small component of the overall "computing needs". An often vital component, but only part of the solution.
I was responding to a post that implied that since the Z840 can't do everything - why bother.
Doubling of transistors & performance every two years ended years ago. Single stream performance of the 3.2GHz 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 is 59% of the fastest current iMac with 4GHz i7-6700K & even multicore is 43%. So just about doubled in 7-8 years
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+X5482+@+3.20GHz
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700K+@+4.00GHz
and to think, only a few years ago, it was all the other way round.
Depressing, is the only word that springs to mind when putting Apple and Professional in the same sentence. But I do believe Apple will come to regret this arrogance. The iPhone phenomena cannot last forever and the electric car?...just don't think that's the new driver.
are you sure your mind isn't playing memory tricks on you? the other way around looks like:
"I see no point in buying a PC for an obscene amount of money doing work a Mac can do just as well or better. The convenience of Windows is just not worth it anymore."
It's sad when even things like NVMe SSD's with 3-4x the read performance of a typical SATA SSD don't make your system boot, or run any faster. Same with newer CPU's and DDR4. As fast as my Samsung 950 PRO NVMe drive is, I'd expect it to boot my system in a second or two but it's essentially the same.
Benchmarks are great and all for bragging, but time and time again, these huge increases in benchmark numbers don't translate into real world performance. Seems we've hit some sort of "wall" in terms of real world performance.
Yep... I'm afraid this may happen to me eventually. Apple has really been neglecting the professional desktop market. 
There was this Samsung keynote with that creepy dancing kid.
I want that at WWDC at least
Link please, so we can see what we can expect at WWDC! ))
I'm not that hopeful that there'll be jawdropping new products!
Cheers
I feel sorry for those thinking of switching to Windows machine.
For me it's all about the OS so I would never go back to Windows. I think Microsft are going in the wrong direction with their OS and cortana lol.
If I had to upgrade to a MP I would consider hack.
Hackintosh Mac Pro i7-5960X 8-Core 4.0GHZ 64GB 2133Mhz GTX 980 250SSD Yosemite
£2,449.99
For me it's all about the OS so I would never go back to Windows. I think Microsft are going in the wrong direction with their OS and cortana lol.
If I had to upgrade to a MP I would consider hack.
Hackintosh Mac Pro i7-5960X 8-Core 4.0GHZ 64GB 2133Mhz GTX 980 250SSD Yosemite
£2,449.99
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It's all about the applications... Windows has them. Once you're in your application, working, you don't even see which OS you are using...
I agree but it's a issue for legitimate users. If you own Photoshop for the Mac, it doesn't grant you the right to use it on Windows. Switching OS also means buying a new license for all platforms that you use.
You telling me that you don't feel like you are cheating on Apple when you are inside an application in Windows?
I just received my new Dell Precision M7510. i7-6920HQ, 64GB RAM, 512Gb nvme ssd, Quadro M2000M graphics. All for $2250 (was $2090 but spent extra $160 on extra 32gb of ram). Pretty good value, no?
I thought the same about Windows, and stayed with Win7 for a year.
It's now difficult to ignore Win10.
Microsoft is making it easy to embrace their newer philosophy.
Where it fits, I've upgraded to W10, and I like it. It's drawing me in.
Wrong direction. Right direction. Who cares?
We choose are tools within our means experience and environment.
I have Mac OS, W10, Ubuntu and Chrome. Redundancy, backup and usability.
The games are continuing.
Adobe Creative Cloud is platform agnostic. Even if you have an ancient boxed copy you can crossgrade for a nominal fee.
It's really a non issue for most professional applications with sensible licensing models.
I don't agree but we don't have to, it depends on personal use. All software bought via the App store is not transferable.
Why would someone buy software on the App Store? That place is a dumpster fire of usability issues and bugs.
Also, Photoshop is not even sold on it.
Thank you for your honest account of your purchasing decision. Apple please take note, your core customers, we are leaving!So, yep, that is exactly what happened. I wanted to buy a Mac Pro for my 4k editing needs. I nursed my 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 for 7 years, upgrading the RAM, the video card, constantly changing out hard drives as my needs dictated, loving the configurability and reliability of that machine.
But it was choking on the 4k footage I'm editing now, the bottleneck was memory and processor, and the only solution was to replace it with something faster, that could be upgraded over the years as I did with the classic Mac Pro.
So I shopped the Mac Pro, configured it to what I needed, and ended up with a decent system: the 3.5 GHZ six core, 64GB of RAM, 256 Flash Drive, and the dual D700 GPUs. That came to $5,799.00. Really, Apple? For a machine that hasn't been updated since 2013?!?! Add to that the fact that I don't trust Apple to keep building the Mac Pro - burned by Aperture and FCPX - and the fact that this machine will never be able to be updated over the coming years the way I did with the 2009 Mac Pro.
So I found myself researching HP workstations.
A couple days research later, I had my system. The HP Z640 Workstation. 3.5 GHZ 6 core Xeon, 256GB PCI Flash Drive, adding an AMD 390x graphics card and 64GB of RAM. With the additional memory and graphics card, it came to just over $3,000.00
Apple, I think, IMHO, is moving on from the professional market. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. Killing off the professional software, building "pro" machines that don't meet pro needs, not consistently updating the "pro" machines they do build... you get the idea.
Makes me sad, as I've been relying on Apple for professional needs for many years. But I believe the ethos of the company has changed... time to move on.
[doublepost=1461876080][/doublepost]Oh, i will admit, I'm keeping the old Mac Pro as well. Still perfectly suitable for photo editing and personal use.
Why wouldn't they? I buy lots of software on there for my business all the time. Yet to encounter the dumpster fire.
Yes it does with CC... I have it installed and running on both my iMac and my PC,.
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CC is subscription based, not a stand alone copy.
We've migrated the bulk of our studio away from Macs over the past few years, but for the remaining ones, the practical reasons we avoid it are:
- User specific Apple ID account requirement.
- Makes centralized license service impossible
- License usage tracking impossible
- Required professional applications rarely available on it
- The update process rarely works
Also from a philosophical standpoint I'd rather not encourage the widely recognized "race to the bottom" software development phenomenon infecting iOS to infect MacOS as well.
I use my computers to run applications thus the OS is really not relevant. Being an experienced user of both OS X and Windows I find neither to be better than the other.
There are computer geeks where the OS does not matter. Then there are creative arts folks who are relatively computer clueless and just want something to work without aggravation and without needing a dozen IT guys for support. Thats where the MacOS has an advantage by far, I think. My creative arts friends using windose boxes mostly because the management bean counters say its better that way, spend much time on crashes, overcoming quirks, spamware and special configurations than my creative arts friends on OSX boxes. Its just what they have to do. Of course there may be a super app that only runs on windose.
By the way, the company shies away from HP work stations because of their low quality build and reliability issues. They much prefer the better built and supported Dell brand. Today they priced out a Dell tower equivalent to the 8 core MacPro with 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and dual D700 and it was $8870; $6700 after their special discount in quantities of 100. I can by the MacPro for $6800. Doesn't seem to be much of a cost delta, but I'm sure they missed something
.There are computer geeks where the OS does not matter. Then there are creative arts folks who are relatively computer clueless and just want something to work without aggravation and without needing a dozen IT guys for support. Thats where the MacOS has an advantage by far, I think. My creative arts friends using windose boxes mostly because the management bean counters say its better that way, spend much time on crashes, overcoming quirks, spamware and special configurations than my creative arts friends on OSX boxes. Its just what they have to do. Of course there may be a super app that only runs on windose.
By the way, the company shies away from HP work stations because of their low quality build and reliability issues. They much prefer the better built and supported Dell brand. Today they priced out a Dell tower equivalent to the 8 core MacPro with 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD and dual D700 and it was $8870; $6700 after their special discount in quantities of 100. I can by the MacPro for $6800. Doesn't seem to be much of a cost delta, but I'm sure they missed something
You're friend must be stuck on windows XP computer then... Time to move to a more trouble free and modern windows version. You can also tell them to stop downloading crap on their business computer.
Given the highlighted words I cannot take anything you say about Windows as objective. You're anti-Windows and no amount of rational argument will convince you to change your mind.
They are not authorized and are blocked from any downloads, a constraint my MacOS frieds don't have
Several friends, not just one as you may be implying. Some were stuck on XP for a long time because the security folks didn't trust anything until a extensively patched Windose 7 version was available. They really don't trust anything newer for proprietary work but most have been used windose 8 for awhile, some now windose 10. Pehaps better, but has similar issues, has to add several third part admin apps to make for a workable unit, but the 10 man IT crew takes care of that. Still blocked from doing much research or downloading, however.[doublepost=1464204350][/doublepost]
Being defensive or just taking it personally?
Windose fan boys don't like hearing the truth? Don't have a valid discussion point, just attack the messenger and divert the conversation?
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