At this time I do not believe there's a way to change it.
This is more of a "what I'm used to" thing more than a failing / strength of either OS.
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Apple Made Me Buy a Windows HP Workstation
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to you, maybe. to me its a fail for both OSs for not standardizing them from the start. it's too late for either to change it now. it's also just a tiny bit more fail for windows since the control key is further away. i can CMD-P on a mac with my left hand (from the left key). on windows i either need two hands or to lift my right hand from the mouse or to move my left arm across the keyboard to use the right CNTRL key.
huh? your telling me windows doesn't map the CONTROL function to the left-bottom-most key on a keyboard by default? that is literally windows placing that function to that key.
how are you arguing that the control function is NOT further away from nearly every single key on a keyboard (sans perhaps the shift key) than the equivalent function on a mac?
I am saying that the physical location of the key is not determined by Windows. The control key could be placed squarely in the center of the keyboard and there's nothing Windows can do about it.
I'm not going to engaging you some petty tit for tat, back and forth "this is better than that on this OS" argument. Each OS has strengths, each has weaknesses. For every strength you can find for OS X I can find a weakness. For every strength I can find for Windows you can find a weakness (though some strengths and weaknesses might better be described as preferences). On a whole both operating systems are comparable. On a whole neither is better / worse than the other.
there are plenty of keys in the middle of the keyboard, but windows doesnt choose to map the control function to any of those. and if you think windows had nothing do do with hardware manufacturers deciding to label that specific key to read "CTRL", your delusional. most keyboards have a key with a windows logo on it for crying out loud. but you're right, you shouldn't engage in petty quibbles and i'm done trying to explain anymore rational about the physical distance between two keys on two different OSs. it was hard for me switching, and apps aren't 100% as transparent as some think between OSs. that was my only point.
Plenty of non microsoft computer dating back to the early 80's have had their "control key" on the side near the bottomn without any interaction with Microsoft (Apple 2, C64, Atari, Amiga)... Keyboard manufacturer can produce their own key scheme if they want without any say from Microsoft...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_key
Bingo! He's also failing to make the distinction between Microsoft and Windows. Even if Microsoft was driving the placement of the control key that's still not a "failing" of Windows.
Edit: I'm not really sure what the objection is as Apple's keyboards have the control key in the same location as my PC keyboards.
great, all these keyboards have a control key, specifically, where a caps lock would be today. it's been around for a while, that's a nice fact. how many of these systems can run windows and these OS agnostic apps you speak of? man, i'd have a hell of a time switching to any of those. how many windows systems have the control key in a different location from where it is today? how does that negate any physical distance between two OSs and my struggle switching back and forth between the two? it's muscle memory. it's like trying to draw or write with your non-dominant hand.
the objection is that the ctrl key on mac performs a different operation. ctrl on windows = cmd key on mac. you would know that if you read the article you linked before replying with a sigh (see "similar concepts") or even used keyboard shortcuts.
you guys are acting like keyboard shortcuts are a non-issue between OSs, and maybe for you or probably even most they aren't, but for myself (and probably a few others) and the work i do, i need them to maintain efficiency. as stated earlier, i've even gone as far as remapping on the windows side to be more like the mac side (where my muscle memory resides) but even then there are still variations on shortcuts in apps like photoshop and illustrator. can you understand that there is a difference between the two or should we keep moving the posts back to the 70s and typewriters?
Boy, this has strayed off topic. It is not meant to be a flame war between Windows and OS X. I started the thread to point out that Apple's lack of hardware updates forced me to buy a Windows machine.
That being said, I have both the HP workstation and my old Mac Pro running happily side by side. Different tools for different jobs. The Mac is great for day to day stuff, photo editing, some video finish work and the like. The HP workstation is for the serious stuff, 4K video editing etc.
It just makes me sad that Apple seems to be ceding that kind of work to other companies.
That being said, I have both the HP workstation and my old Mac Pro running happily side by side. Different tools for different jobs. The Mac is great for day to day stuff, photo editing, some video finish work and the like. The HP workstation is for the serious stuff, 4K video editing etc.
It just makes me sad that Apple seems to be ceding that kind of work to other companies.
All too often a move to Windows from OS X is going to be faulted with half truths and lies about Windows. If people could refrain from engaging in this type of behavior maybe there could be some reasoned discussion on the move.
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sorry mark, never my intention, just tried to share one aspect of my transition from one OS to another. i guess i'm the only one to ever struggle with keyboards. my apologies for the ineptitude and apparent derailment.
If you have an issue with switching back and forth between two different operating systems then that's a legitimate concern...for you. However that's not a failing of either OS but rather a failing of the lack of standardization between the operating systems.
My problem with your issue is you are advocating the Mac way as the correct way. This is evidenced when you said:
"i've even gone as far as remapping on the windows side to be more like the mac side"
That's your preference...fine. That doesn't mean the Windows way is wrong or Windows is bad because it's different. Mac users need to stop confusing different for bad.
i can see how i came across as advocating the mac side. afterall, this is a mac forum and i've been using them for nearly 20 years. i thought i was careful in saying phrases like "to me" and "in my experience" but i probably slipped. so, in my opinion, having a key i use daily closer the the letter "p" (and others) is nicer for me, but you're right, it's just different and there are ways around it. and yes, standardization would have helped but i suppose there's nothing we can do about that now.
i actually have been pleasantly surprised with my windows 10 experience so far. still a few other minor kinks to work out and get used to, but overall it's been pretty solid.
also, welcome to the forum! hopefully you don't run into too many others as argumentative/stubborn as myself. lots of great info & discussion here.
You specifically mentioned Photoshop so I corrected you. I use the occasional Windows app in a Windows VM on my Macs Isn't it possible for you to run OS X in a VM on Windows?
Yeah, it's absolute hell using a 3rd party browser. After you install one, it forces you to go all the way to the top of the browser window and click a button to set it as the default browser application. It was an exercise in abject cruelty.
In theory, no. Doesn’t the OSX EULA stipulate that it must be run on Mac hardware?
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/ from the license for El Capitan:
At some point in the future I'll probably ignore the license and occasionally run Contacts in Mavericks in a VirtualBox VM whilst a Mac gathers dust alongside a preferred non-Apple notebook.
At this point I can only consider that you're just trolling...
Welcome to the ignore bin.
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Legally so, no...
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Yet here in the Mac Pro, not the Macbook Pro part of the forum, people are disapointed by the lack of suitable machine and are thus driven back to windows...
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They are restricting the VM by mandating that they have to run on Macs. The biggest problem that you have trying to run OSX in a VM outside of the mac ecosphere is the lack of additional drivers package meaning that your VM is barelly functionnal (no GPU acceleration, no sound, no network).
And they can do so without moaning about...it's not the end of life ..... buy the machine that suits your needs better, it won't make you a good / bad person to use another OS or another brand, and it won't make Apple change their business plan if few people buy a PC.....there will be someone on the other side that will be fed up with windows and will switch to Mac...as it was and as it will always be.
Do you also hold a similar position for those who come here and announce they're moving to the Mac? As for the "as it was and as it will always be" I'm not sure you can make the latter part of that statement. The concern is Apple has given up on the Mac Pro. It hasn't been updated in three years. Prior to that it did not see significant updates for three years.
While it may be the most powerful Mac it's no longer a competitive workstation. When the 2008 Mac Pro was released it was a top spec workstation priced very competitively. I seem to recall one couldn't buy a Wintel workstation for less and, often times, they cost more.
While technology has slowed since 2008 one can't help but feel neglected given there have been technology improvements since the 2013 Mac Pro was released. Technology that, IMO and given the resources of Apple, would not be very difficult to implement. Whether you agree with the nMP or not you have to acknowledge the amount of time without an upgrade would be of a concern for people buying one. Especially given Apple hasn't lowered the price on them.
Since this is a Mac forum, if they come here to announce they got a Mac you welcome them and give them advice... if on the other end they come here to moan about windows yes the treatment is the same.....
If you are here to get advice on what computer is best for you, I might also advise getting a PC depending on your needs!!!!!
Yes the MP is not the best, and it is history repeating itself as you noticed (it is not the first time the MP has not been updated) hence my statement buy what suits your need the best!
Apple hasn't given up on anything (for all we know they could update them at WWDC and the reaction here would be completely different), they are a business and will go where the money are, probably the Pro market is not so important to them, If i remember correctly they started as a consumer company... and their biggest market is consumer (iGadgets).
Again there's nothing wrong really with using a PC!!!!
Does BMW makes you buy a Ferrari because you need a faster car?? Or does Fiat make you buy a Bentley because you want a luxury car?
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that's fair, but i wasn't trying to troll. just trying to steer the discussion back to my original point, which was more relative to the topic than the origin of the control key. no offense intended, i'm just bad at debate or words or both.