Apple Maps Thread - iOS 15

[MozMan68]

Only if your vehicle mfr supported it. Most didn’t.

I’ve never seen a pic of one example of CarPlay controlling some of the car functions that it is capable of…outside of the low fuel alert.

Even my VW Atlas doesn’t do that, but it does override CarPlay to show its own low fuel alert which would open its own map if I selected it. Hah.

 

[iOS Geek]

It’s released! Either that or Apple has suddenly decided that people not in the country can test the new maps?

I have it as of this morning.

Unless someone in the USA is able to “test” Italy? That’s never happened before.

I always search for tennis courts and golf course to verify,

I have it on both my phone and iPad as of yesterday evening! I’d have to check my Mac again because when I looked yesterday, it didn’t have it.

 

[G1Ravage]

Only if your vehicle mfr supported it. Most didn’t.

Ah, okay. Yeah, I tried a few commands today and it didn't work. lol

 

[G1Ravage]

It’s released! Either that or Apple has suddenly decided that people not in the country can test the new maps?

I have it as of this morning.

Unless someone in the USA is able to “test” Italy? That’s never happened before.

I always search for tennis courts and golf course to verify,

I do not have the new Italy maps yet. Must still be in testing.

As per the polls on Justin's site, it does appear as though a *very* small number of users in the US can see International testing.

 

[MozMan68]

I do not have the new Italy maps yet. Must still be in testing.

As per the polls on Justin's site, it does appear as though a *very* small number of users in the US can see International testing.

Good to know. I sent him a note as I have never been able to see new Maps outside of the USA before they were released. I couldn’t even see new Maps areas IN the USA except for when they were released as part of the beta (Northern CA) or for places I visited often (NYC) and even in the case of NYC, I had it and then lost it prior to release.

EDIT: Are you on iOS15 though? I wonder if that is what makes the difference.

 

[joesegh]

regarding the deprecation of sirikit intents, it seems as though Apple is trying to push app developers towards implementing all their features as siri shortcuts, which can then be invoked via siri with a custom phrase, as opposed to simply out-right removing those capabilities. the intents you listed (afaik) required an automaker app to perform that integration, so those automakers can just implement them as shortcuts within their app with a suggested (and configurable) phrase to invoke them.

 

[iOS Geek]

Good to know. I sent him a note as I have never been able to see new Maps outside of the USA before they were released. I couldn’t even see new Maps areas IN the USA except for when they were released as part of the beta (Northern CA) or for places I visited often (NYC) and even in the case of NYC, I had it and then lost it prior to release.

EDIT: Are you on iOS15 though? I wonder if that is what makes the difference.

In my case, the two devices that can see the new Maps (my phone and iPad) are on the iOS/iPadOS 15 betas. The device that does NOT see it…is my Mac on Big Sur.

 

[MozMan68]

In my case, the two devices that can see the new Maps (my phone and iPad) are on the iOS/iPadOS 15 betas. The device that does NOT see it…is my Mac on Big Sur.

Yep…looks like they’re copying what they did when they first launched new Maps with Northern CA. All beta users get access versus just regional users. At least, that’s what it seems like from my poll of three people so far….

 

[G1Ravage]

Yep…looks like they’re copying what they did when they first launched new Maps with Northern CA. All beta users get access versus just regional users. At least, that’s what it seems like from my poll of three people so far….

The *only* time I ever got to experience a map preview was during one of the early tests of southern California.

I'm on iOS 14.7.1. I've never done an iOS beta before.

 

[gwhizkids]

I’ve never seen a pic of one example of CarPlay controlling some of the car functions that it is capable of…outside of the low fuel alert.

Even my VW Atlas doesn’t do that, but it does override CarPlay to show its own low fuel alert which would open its own map if I selected it. Hah.

Probably why it was discontinued. Control of vehicle systems was probably a bridge too far for the manufacturers. They’ve been forced to concede on the Navi/entertainment front because their offerings were so awful. They’re not going to do this on vehicle systems where they are much better.

 

[gwhizkids]

regarding the deprecation of sirikit intents, it seems as though Apple is trying to push app developers towards implementing all their features as siri shortcuts, which can then be invoked via siri with a custom phrase, as opposed to simply out-right removing those capabilities. the intents you listed (afaik) required an automaker app to perform that integration, so those automakers can just implement them as shortcuts within their app with a suggested (and configurable) phrase to invoke them.

I see what you’re saying but I don’t see it happening in that sphere. IT’s bass enough that the OEMs had to accept CarPlay and AndroidAuto. They’ll not accept those systems taking over actual operation of vehicle functionality.

 

[TimFL1]

Yep…looks like they’re copying what they did when they first launched new Maps with Northern CA. All beta users get access versus just regional users. At least, that’s what it seems like from my poll of three people so far….

Not active for me (Italy) but I did have access to Portugal when the beta testing started. It‘s probably random.

I wonder when we see v2 hitting for Germany… was actually expecting this for iOS 15 but I guess it has to wait for next year.

 

[MozMan68]

It really does seem that everyone with iOS 15 beta has access. Let me know if you are on the beta and do NOT have access. Before you do though, please do a hard restart to help force the server side update if necessary. Thanks!

 

[joesegh]

I see what you’re saying but I don’t see it happening in that sphere. IT’s bass enough that the OEMs had to accept CarPlay and AndroidAuto. They’ll not accept those systems taking over actual operation of vehicle functionality.

true, which is why so few automakers ever implemented those particular intents, i suppose

 

[MozMan68]

true, which is why so few automakers ever implemented those particular intents, i suppose

I could care less about 90% of what automakers can do with CarPlay…the only thing that bugs me is that they have the ability to offer CarPlay info in their digital dashes and they choose to keep it on the center stack screen.

Can you at least just show me what song is playing and MAYBE even the album art instead of some generic USB symbol with the words “Apple CarPlay” above it?

They thought enough to have the info for songs playing via Sirius/XM, but I prefer to listen to Apple Music most times. I know I’d be crazy to have them add Apple Maps to the digital dash as well…hah!

 

[gwhizkids]

I could care less about 90% of what automakers can do with CarPlay…the only thing that bugs me is that they have the ability to offer CarPlay info in their digital dashes and they choose to keep it on the center stack screen.

Can you at least just show me what song is playing and MAYBE even the album art instead of some generic USB symbol with the words “Apple CarPlay” above it?

They thought enough to have the info for songs playing via Sirius/XM, but I prefer to listen to Apple Music most times. I know I’d be crazy to have them add Apple Maps to the digital dash as well…hah!

My Audi Q3 (same company as your car) does show album art and a scrubber in the dash. But the dash is that humongous video screen.

 

[MozMan68]

My Audi Q3 (same company as your car) does show album art and a scrubber in the dash. But the dash is that humongous video screen.

My Atlas is a “huge” screen as well…the guy in this video calls it version 2.0

Video starts when he's showing my version.

EDIT: Here’s what I see (in the right dial) when I play music through CarPlay.

 

[MozMan68]

Played around more with "alerts Only" on my 2 hours to Ikea and back again. One bug seems to be that if I want Maps to play full turn-by-turn sounds again, I need to stop navigating and re-start the route for the sounds to kick in...just turning sounds "on" did nothing.

I could really get used to it, especially since I know where I'm going most of the time. Just a quick glance to make sure there aren't any weird routes.

 

[G1Ravage]

Justin has been busy. Two new pages of note:

https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps-italy-testing

Justin has hypothesized that ALL iOS 15 beta testers now have access to the Italy maps testing because Italy has a very low percentage of people using iPhones there, so Apple needs a larger sampling.

Also:

https://www.justinobeirne.com/ios15-navigation-video-cycling-walking

Walking and Cycling directions cancel out all of the new iOS 15 details for some reason. I'm going to guess this is just a beta glitch, as all of the wonderful details remain for the driving directions. Why wouldn't they remain for cycling and walking?

Disappointingly, he also discovers that the directions line doesn't seem to actually understand the lanes as represented on the map, and will sometimes veer off to the center.

Also, on the latest beta, the rounded edges are far less round than before, trees are a bit more detailed, and tennis courts are now green.

 

[RSmith2023]

Still amazed that you cannot plan a route with multiple stops with Maps from the iPhone itself… this seems basic… I am trying not to go back to google maps…

 

[G1Ravage]

Still amazed that you cannot plan a route with multiple stops with Maps from the iPhone itself… this seems basic… I am trying not to go back to google maps…

Even my car's in-dash navigation can do that....

 

[dk001]

Still amazed that you cannot plan a route with multiple stops with Maps from the iPhone itself… this seems basic… I am trying not to go back to google maps…

That is one of my top complaints with AM. You would think Apple would have added it long ago.

 

[MozMan68]

That is one of my top complaints with AM. You would think Apple would have added it long ago.

Maybe I’m in the minority (on Maps threads at least), but I don’t see multi-route planning as a big need for 99% of the people using mapping apps. Again, maybe it’s just me…but I think people just want to get from point A to point B 99% of the time.

When I am going somewhere, it is point A to point B nearly 100% of the time. If I’m going to stop somewhere along the way, I either make that as my point B and my final destination as point C from there. Or, I simply plan point A to point B and then ask Maps to stop in between while in route (it’s typically for food or gas anyway…not an actual “destination”).

I can’t even remember the last time I actually wanted to or felt the need to plan a multi-stop trip. I do think Apple will add it eventually, but probably only when they add full web access for everyone to utilize.

 

[dk001]

Maybe I’m in the minority (on Maps threads at least), but I don’t see multi-route planning as a big need for 99% of the people using mapping apps. Again, maybe it’s just me…but I think people just want to get from point A to point B 99% of the time.

When I am going somewhere, it is point A to point B nearly 100% of the time. If I’m going to stop somewhere along the way, I either make that as my point B and my final destination as point C from there. Or, I simply plan point A to point B and then ask Maps to stop in between while in route (it’s typically for food or gas anyway…not an actual “destination”).

I can’t even remember the last time I actually wanted to or felt the need to plan a multi-stop trip. I do think Apple will add it eventually, but probably only when they add full web access for everyone to utilize.

I fnd just the opposite.
I pimarily use a map for two aspects; either planning a trip or executing a trip.
Let me give a couple of examples…

Recent trip to Napa Ca. I wanted to stop at Monterey Bay Aquarium, Winchester House, and Golden Gate Park on my trip up and planned for two days. In Google Maps I can place the entire trip with multiple stops adjusting on the fly as traffic or other aspects change. I cannot do that in Apple Maps. I wanted to do the US 1 to Monterey but AM would not let me even choose the route on either my iPad or iPhone. Surprisingly GM would not either on an Apple device but I could pick a midtrip point like Moonstone to force it on the map. However it would allow GM to mapit on my Android device. (see pics below)

Recent business trip that involved flight from LAX to EWR. In Google Maps I did the Home to LAX the EWR to Site A to Hotel. The next day was a visit to Site B and Site C to hotel to dinner and back to hotel. A day 3 trip to Times Square via train and walking points of interrest worked well. I could put any or all of that into GM. AM doesn’t handle this unless I do point to point.

For point A to Point B I have found Apple Maps is working better and better. I would call it 95%+ of Google Maps. It just lacks the flexibility I need for some excursions. Road accuracy is there. POI is almost there.

 

[MozMan68]

I fnd just the opposite.
I pimarily use a map for two aspects; either planning a trip or executing a trip.
Let me give a couple of examples…

Recent trip to Napa Ca. I wanted to stop at Monterey Bay Aquarium, Winchester House, and Golden Gate Park on my trip up and planned for two days. In Google Maps I can place the entire trip with multiple stops adjusting on the fly as traffic or other aspects change. I cannot do that in Apple Maps. I wanted to do the US 1 to Monterey but AM would not let me even choose the route on either my iPad or iPhone. Surprisingly GM would not either on an Apple device but I could pick a midtrip point like Moonstone to force it on the map. However it would allow GM to mapit on my Android device. (see pics below)

Recent business trip that involved flight from LAX to EWR. In Google Maps I did the Home to LAX the EWR to Site A to Hotel. The next day was a visit to Site B and Site C to hotel to dinner and back to hotel. A day 3 trip to Times Square via train and walking points of interrest worked well. I could put any or all of that into GM. AM doesn’t handle this unless I do point to point.

For point A to Point B I have found Apple Maps is working better and better. I would call it 95%+ of Google Maps. It just lacks the flexibility I need for some excursions. Road accuracy is there. POI is almost there.

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But to be fair, I think you are supporting my point that MOST people are not planning multiple stop trips up the coast of CA on a regular basis. How often are you doing that? Once or twice a year?

Map apps have evolved into a commuter tool as well as a tool to find POI's, not to replicate what we were using maps for before they became digitally available in the palm of our hand.

It's a "nice to have" not a "need to have" for MOST people, not all, but most IMHO.