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MozMan68

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Interesting to read the update notes in the beta released today.

Maps​

Known Issues​

  • The Bay Bridge might scale incorrectly at high zoom levels. (79217316)
  • Rounded building corners might disappear. (80468151)

Resolved in iOS & iPadOS 15 beta 4​

  • Rivers no longer disappear at certain zoom levels. (79993916)
  • Buildings no longer overlap roads at certain zoom levels. (79928870)


Since non-rounded buildings is noted as a bug, looks like rounded buildings are here to stay.
 

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Very interesting indeed. The fact that the release notes are mentioning one specific hand drawn bridge is...something.

I wonder what they mean by buildings no longer overlapping roads at certain zoom levels....
 

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Very interesting indeed. The fact that the release notes are mentioning one specific hand drawn bridge is...something.

I wonder what they mean by buildings no longer overlapping roads at certain zoom levels....

Just like the bridge, I’m sure buildings close to roads in some cities were getting too big/out of position as you zoomed in and were simply overlapping with the road as that also got wider as you zoomed in.

They’ve released further Map updates in August as part of beta releases in the past. Maybe Detailed maps for L.A. or NYC are close.

I still think LookAround and detailed street details for the entire USA will be released as a “surprise” when iOS 15 officially launches.
 

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Leave it up to Justin to finally get this…hah.



....and damn....can't wait until this comes to CarPlay! Looks as good as I imagined it would.
Has the camera always been interpolated so… cinematically? That really adds to the experience how the movement has weight to it. My cars GPS is smooth but that video makes it look like a chopfest.
 

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Has the camera always been interpolated so… cinematically? That really adds to the experience how the movement has weight to it. My cars GPS is smooth but that video makes it look like a chopfest.
This looked perfectly smooth to me...outside of when he is in tunnels and loses the GPS signal.

I hope he rotates the phone to show the other view and also show the complex 3D interchange view...but I'll take it. Everything that is seen on the static map is shown in the routing view...that's all I really wanted to confirm.

Traffic data seemed spot on based on his speed. Hah!

And notice that Maps' intiial arrival time is only changed at the last mile by 1 minute when he starts hitting traffic lights. Pretty good considering the traffic that was present during the trip.
 
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3D buildings are back while routing!!

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EDIT: Bah…they were gone again on the drive home. :(
 
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Leave it up to Justin to finally get this…hah.



....and damn....can't wait until this comes to CarPlay! Looks as good as I imagined it would.

Observations:

I very rarely ever navigate on Apple Maps off the phone itself, so I'm not 100% sure what's different here from the current public build. But I found it interesting that despite being on what appeared to be a limited access highway before arriving at the Golden Gate Bridge, Apple Maps was not zoomed out like one would expect on a major highway. The camera stayed in, close to the car, and 3D buildings were visible the entire way.

This would seem to prove that 3D builds are SUPPOSED to be visible. This, coupled with the Moz Report from earlier, would indicate that the 3D buildings not appearing might be just a beta glitch.

Normally on a highway, the camera zooms far out, and generally very gently positions itself to view the general direction you're headed in, and adjusts slightly as the highway curves. Here, the camera stayed zoomed in fairly close, and it seemed the camera had to constantly reposition itself to avoid changes in elevation around you. It looked very cinematic, but I have to wonder if that would distract me a bit too much while driving. I also wonder if the camera will behave similarly in the 96% of US areas that don't have the elevation data.

Driving over an actual representation of the Golden Gate Bridge was really cool. But I wonder how many bridges will be considered special enough to get this treatment. New York City has a lot of bridges, so we'll have to wait and see on that.

The zoom in for the exit guidance was nice, and local road travel seems unchanged.
 

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Observations:

I very rarely ever navigate on Apple Maps off the phone itself, so I'm not 100% sure what's different here from the current public build. But I found it interesting that despite being on what appeared to be a limited access highway before arriving at the Golden Gate Bridge, Apple Maps was not zoomed out like one would expect on a major highway. The camera stayed in, close to the car, and 3D buildings were visible the entire way.

This would seem to prove that 3D builds are SUPPOSED to be visible. This, coupled with the Moz Report from earlier, would indicate that the 3D buildings not appearing might be just a beta glitch.

Normally on a highway, the camera zooms far out, and generally very gently positions itself to view the general direction you're headed in, and adjusts slightly as the highway curves. Here, the camera stayed zoomed in fairly close, and it seemed the camera had to constantly reposition itself to avoid changes in elevation around you. It looked very cinematic, but I have to wonder if that would distract me a bit too much while driving. I also wonder if the camera will behave similarly in the 96% of US areas that don't have the elevation data.

Driving over an actual representation of the Golden Gate Bridge was really cool. But I wonder how many bridges will be considered special enough to get this treatment. New York City has a lot of bridges, so we'll have to wait and see on that.

The zoom in for the exit guidance was nice, and local road travel seems unchanged.
Good points! I was noticing that about the elevation as well. Seems like they need to adjust the view based on the road level and not necessarily the area around the roads in the cities that will have the elevation data. On that one turn that bends around to the right and there's a steep hill right next to the road, you could see the camera rising and falling slightly as the hill (not the road) changed in height.

The exit detail to me was nothing new in that video...just looked nicer because of the road detail. Same zoom detail as normal exits today. EDIT: Actually, it does move more into a 3D view versus the straight down view one would see today. Was really hoping he would get on the highway and go through a complex interchange to show the road sign detail and 3D view of the exits.

For my examples, yes, the view seems angled higher versus more flat, but not sure yet if that has something to do with the lower speed I was travelling as well as the upcoming turns in some cases. I didn't have a chance to try it out on longer stretches at higher speeds. The only time I did today was when the buildings disappeared on my drive home from picking up lunch...but not really enough of a test.
 

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Oh...I keep forgetting to bring this up because it came up in another thread where I was tagged and can't find it.

The "GO" button also had the "Alert Only" option on my drive home from dinner tonight.

"Alert only" allows you to basically turn off the turn-by-turn voice prompts and only hear the departure and arrival prompts as well as any "major" alerts during the trip like mile announcements to the next turn or one of the standard alerts (traffic, construction, hazard, speed trap, etc.).

You can turn it on permanently simply by hitting the volume button on the screen where you have the option for "alert only", "normal sound" or "no sound". Is actually a nice option for those that use Maps for commuting or familiar day-to-day driving where they don't need or want every single turn or traffic light announced. I actually turned "alerts only" on and love it.
 
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…and then 3D is back again…and then it’s gone…something’s up. But I think they will be back.


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I'm noticing from this screenshot that, despite you driving on a local road, the camera is behaving as though you're on a highway. Prior to iOS 15, when you drive on local roads, the camera would always be directly behind your vehicle, facing forward. (With the exact angle of view apparently dependent on being on one of three types of local roads.) Now it seems to be skewed to point towards your general direction of travel, much like on highways.
 

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Actually, it does move more into a 3D view versus the straight down view one would see today. Was really hoping he would get on the highway and go through a complex interchange to show the road sign detail and 3D view of the exits.

For my examples, yes, the view seems angled higher versus more flat, but not sure yet if that has something to do with the lower speed I was travelling as well as the upcoming turns in some cases. I didn't have a chance to try it out on longer stretches at higher speeds. The only time I did today was when the buildings disappeared on my drive home from picking up lunch...but not really enough of a test.
Are we getting road sign details? I don't recall that from the Apple preview event.

And are you suggesting that your speed is determining the level of zoom on iOS 15? Because that would be totally new for Apple Maps if you're right. Waze currently does that, as does my car's in-dash navigation system. Not sure how I feel about that overall, but it would be interesting.
 

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Are we getting road sign details? I don't recall that from the Apple preview event.

And are you suggesting that your speed is determining the level of zoom on iOS 15? Because that would be totally new for Apple Maps if you're right. Waze currently does that, as does my car's in-dash navigation system. Not sure how I feel about that overall, but it would be interesting.
Yes! It's actually in the WWDC video I added to the first post.

EDIT: Grrrr...it's not in there. Need to find the pic...I know I saw it somewhere.

We talked bout the zoom level months ago...there's videos I shared on the iOS 14 thread showing the various zoom levels based on distance to next turn, speed, etc. Camera definitely pulls out further the faster you go...and has always to some extent as far as I remember.

The angle of the road view at lower speeds has also not changed, or not changed much, in my opinion. Apple always defaults to include as much of the routed road as will fit in the display area.

Here's the video I took of the view changes. From October of last year.

 

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Hmm...I wonder if this is a phone vs. CarPlay phenomena, then. As I said, I almost never see Apple Maps in use on my actual phone. Perhaps the zoom behaves somewhat differently on the phone because of the screen orientation compared to what CarPlay does.

On CarPlay, speed has never factored into zoom levels. Zoom in occurs after the switch over to top-down view 0.3 miles from your next turn on local roads. A slow zoom in also occurs beginning one mile from your exit on a highway. I wish I could record the CarPlay screen....

Maybe I'll mess around with the phone itself and try recording the screen sometime.
 
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Oh, just noticed that the 2D satellite layer for my area of New York City has been updated with recent satellite photos. I'm seeing the current configuration of a highway interchange near me.
 
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Per Justin O'Bierne, Italy is now in testing!

It’s released! Either that or Apple has suddenly decided that people not in the country can test the new maps?

I have it as of this morning.

Unless someone in the USA is able to “test” Italy? That’s never happened before.

I always search for tennis courts and golf course to verify, ;)



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