Apple Maps Thread - iOS 15

[dk001]

But to be fair, I think you are supporting my point that MOST people are not planning multiple stop trips up the coast of CA on a regular basis. How often are you doing that? Once or twice a year?

Map apps have evolved into a commuter tool as well as a tool to find POI's, not to replicate what we were using maps for before they became digitally available in the palm of our hand.

It's a "nice to have" not a "need to have" for MOST people, not all, but most IMHO.

True. Somewhat. More for traffic and obstacles than actual “how to get to …”
I try to use AM for my point to point as needed and it works fairly well. Then again I use my Android more than my iPhone.

 

[aggiesrwe03]

Just tried it...you are correct.

I dropped a pin in the middle of a field so I could name it "Buried Treasure"....just comes up as the zip code for that spot.

Sending feedback about it now.


EDIT: I take that back…it DOES work. Seems like you just need to wait a few minutes for it to synch. I went in to take a screenshot and the original “zip code” designation was gone…just a pin showing.

Closed Maps and started again…went into my guides to pick it (named properly there) and selected it.

EDIT 2 : And then I went back in and couldn't find it in my Guide but the pin was still there (not marked)...but I think it is just a synching thing.

It’s been a few weeks since I commented, and yours seems to be working fine but just checked today because I was out in the pasture near my pin and still not showing the label name changed. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[G1Ravage]

I'm working out of a different office now and have returned to commuting by bus and train. On the express bus ride home, I opened up Apple Maps and set a route home just to watch how Maps behaves on the phone.

What I saw was interesting. Maps on the phone is basically identical to pre-iOS 13 Maps as far as visual behaviors. It's only on CarPlay that iOS 13+ Maps behaves differently. Which leads me to believe, for this reason and the myriad of glitches and problems we had with CarPlay during the earlier days of iOS 13, that CarPlay on iOS 13+ is a fundamentally broken experience compared to the "pure" Maps experience on the phone.

Again, I have spent the past few years navigating with Maps exclusively through CarPlay. Prior to iOS 13, the CarPlay navigating experience was basically identical to the phone in the following respects:

-3D buildings would appear at the same zoom levels.
-While navigating, Maps would consistently show you the names of the next four roads intersecting with the road you're on. As you pass a road, the next road ahead would be added in a smooth and consistent manner.
-The names of subway stations would appear as you get near them.

Now, on CarPlay ever since the update to iOS 13:

-3D buildings disappear when zooming out much faster than on the phone.
-While navigating, Maps still attempts to show the names of the next four roads, but doesn't show them in order. You might see the next two roads, then it skips one, and then the fourth is maybe ten blocks away. I thought that maybe this was Apple's new way of doing things, but after watching the navigation on my phone today, I think it's just a CarPlay issue. On highways, sometimes you might "exhaust" the next four roads, passing all four of them, and then not see any upcoming road crossings for a little bit. Then suddenly, the next three or four will pop in suddenly, despite those roads having already been on screen.
-The names of subway stations no longer appear as you pass them. You only see the symbol that a station is there.

This follows these additional CarPlay issues that appeared with iOS 13, and never went away:

-Navigation audio randomly being way too low, and having to reboot my car's head unit to fix.
-Not being able to access "My Places" in the destinations menu. It just won't be there. I have to enter the destinations menu, exit the menu, and then go back in.
-When starting a route, the camera is sometimes very choppy as it settles behind my car, instead of being just a smooth pan.
-Navigation spoken instructions being partially cut off at the start of the speech.
-No mileage shown when selecting a route.

 

[bransoj]

Maybe I’m in the minority (on Maps threads at least), but I don’t see multi-route planning as a big need for 99% of the people using mapping apps. Again, maybe it’s just me…but I think people just want to get from point A to point B 99% of the time.

When I am going somewhere, it is point A to point B nearly 100% of the time. If I’m going to stop somewhere along the way, I either make that as my point B and my final destination as point C from there. Or, I simply plan point A to point B and then ask Maps to stop in between while in route (it’s typically for food or gas anyway…not an actual “destination”).

I can’t even remember the last time I actually wanted to or felt the need to plan a multi-stop trip. I do think Apple will add it eventually, but probably only when they add full web access for everyone to utilize.

This is me as well, i occasionally use the multi stop feature when planning or looking into something but i generally do that on a PC so would use Google Maps for it. Once i'm actually navigating on the phone in the car i just do A to B and then once i'm at B it becomes A for the next leg of the journey should there be another one. I would never have multiple stops going for one journey as dont see the need.

 

[MozMan68]

Here's the thing that I THINK is missing (someone correct me if I'm wrong)....if I use the multiple stop planning tool on Google Maps for example, can I tell it how long I plan on stopping? If not, than it is only good for choosing a specific route in advance. Like the example above, I want to drive up the coast of CA and stop at certain areas to enjoy the view, but if I picked A to B, it would just put me on the freeway all the way there instead of driving along the coast for example (although, I wonder if Maps would provide that as an alternate route).

Bah...this is one of those things one could argue to death about how important it is...I just think it is important to a couple of percentage points of Maps users and unless it is an easy add, maybe Apple is fine leaving that as a feature for other apps to offer.

 

[MozMan68]

I'm working out of a different office now and have returned to commuting by bus and train. On the express bus ride home, I opened up Apple Maps and set a route home just to watch how Maps behaves on the phone.

What I saw was interesting. Maps on the phone is basically identical to pre-iOS 13 Maps as far as visual behaviors. It's only on CarPlay that iOS 13+ Maps behaves differently. Which leads me to believe, for this reason and the myriad of glitches and problems we had with CarPlay during the earlier days of iOS 13, that CarPlay on iOS 13+ is a fundamentally broken experience compared to the "pure" Maps experience on the phone.

Again, I have spent the past few years navigating with Maps exclusively through CarPlay. Prior to iOS 13, the CarPlay navigating experience was basically identical to the phone in the following respects:

-3D buildings would appear at the same zoom levels.
-While navigating, Maps would consistently show you the names of the next four roads intersecting with the road you're on. As you pass a road, the next road ahead would be added in a smooth and consistent manner.
-The names of subway stations would appear as you get near them.

Now, on CarPlay ever since the update to iOS 13:

-3D buildings disappear when zooming out much faster than on the phone.
-While navigating, Maps still attempts to show the names of the next four roads, but doesn't show them in order. You might see the next two roads, then it skips one, and then the fourth is maybe ten blocks away. I thought that maybe this was Apple's new way of doing things, but after watching the navigation on my phone today, I think it's just a CarPlay issue. On highways, sometimes you might "exhaust" the next four roads, passing all four of them, and then not see any upcoming road crossings for a little bit. Then suddenly, the next three or four will pop in suddenly, despite those roads having already been on screen.
-The names of subway stations no longer appear as you pass them. You only see the symbol that a station is there.

This follows these additional CarPlay issues that appeared with iOS 13, and never went away:

-Navigation audio randomly being way too low, and having to reboot my car's head unit to fix.
-Not being able to access "My Places" in the destinations menu. It just won't be there. I have to enter the destinations menu, exit the menu, and then go back in.
-When starting a route, the camera is sometimes very choppy as it settles behind my car, instead of being just a smooth pan.
-Navigation spoken instructions being partially cut off at the start of the speech.
-No mileage shown when selecting a route.

I think you are proabably correct...and this is why they specifically mentioned a separate CarPlay update later this year. While it "works," it is not playing very well with iOS 15 beta and hopefully will be back to normal after the CarPlay update that will allow the detailed views promised in the WWDC announcement.

 

[dk001]

This is me as well, i occasionally use the multi stop feature when planning or looking into something but i generally do that on a PC so would use Google Maps for it. Once i'm actually navigating on the phone in the car i just do A to B and then once i'm at B it becomes A for the next leg of the journey should there be another one. I would never have multiple stops going for one journey as dont see the need.

Also for @MozMan68 and @G1Ravage

So how do you folks handle a route like I recently took from Ventura Ca to Montery Bay Ca and wanted to use US1?
AM on both my IPP and iPhone would not map it.

 

[dk001]

Here's the thing that I THINK is missing (someone correct me if I'm wrong)....if I use the multiple stop planning tool on Google Maps for example, can I tell it how long I plan on stopping? If not, than it is only good for choosing a specific route in advance. Like the example above, I want to drive up the coast of CA and stop at certain areas to enjoy the view, but if I picked A to B, it would just put me on the freeway all the way there instead of driving along the coast for example (although, I wonder if Maps would provide that as an alternate route).

Bah...this is one of those things one could argue to death about how important it is...I just think it is important to a couple of percentage points of Maps users and unless it is an easy add, maybe Apple is fine leaving that as a feature for other apps to offer.

No “stop time” feature I know of however the map time adjusts as you visit each spot.
For me it is more of a planning option than a time specific option.

 

[MozMan68]

Also for @MozMan68 and @G1Ravage

So how do you folks handle a route like I recently took from Ventura Ca to Montery Bay Ca and wanted to use US1?
AM on both my IPP and iPhone would not map it.

Drag and drop would be nice for this one, but I would just route to San Simeon and then from there to Monterey.

While the scenic choice, it is so much longer time wise than multiple other routes that it doesn’t really want to take you that way unless you are too far up the route to turn back.

 

[dk001]

Drag and drop would be nice for this one, but I would just route to San Simeon and then from there to Monterey.

While the scenic choice, it is so much longer time wise than multiple other routes that it doesn’t really want to take you that way unless you are too far up the route to turn back.

The scenery is the key and the reason I take that way time permitting.
I would love to be able to use my pencil or trackpad on my IPP to do that.

 

[MozMan68]

The scenery is the key and the reason I take that way time permitting.
I would love to be able to use my pencil or trackpad on my IPP to do that.

The last time I actually had to go to L.A. from San Francisco, I rented a convertible just so I could drive that way. I was supposed to spend the night in Santa Barbara, but the weather was so perfect, I just went straight to L.A. so I could enjoy the sunset while driving along the coast.

 

[G1Ravage]

Also for @MozMan68 and @G1Ravage

So how do you folks handle a route like I recently took from Ventura Ca to Montery Bay Ca and wanted to use US1?
AM on both my IPP and iPhone would not map it.

Ah, you've come to the right place! I used to break my in-dash navi trying to force it to give me the routes I wanted.

One of my older cars used to give me up to six possible routes to my destination if it was a long trip. If I couldn't get the exact route I wanted to take, I would set a waypoint along the road I wanted, and then see how that affected my overall routing.

What I would do in your case is before I left, I would open up Apple Maps and request directions to each of my potential destinations for a long trip, as well as an intermediate destination alongside the road I really wanted to take. Setting a route and cancelling it puts that destination into the list of "recent" destinations, making them very easy to load at a moment's notice.

So when it's time to leave, I could set my destination as some random midpoint waypoint along the road or highway I wanted to take, and then as I'm getting close to that location, I could cancel the route, and then very easily load the route to my real destination.

 

[gwhizkids]

The scenery is the key and the reason I take that way time permitting.
I would love to be able to use my pencil or trackpad on my IPP to do that.

I think the Apple Maps gurus intentionally left out “AAA Triptik mode” (younger readers: look it up). Maps is designed to get you where you want to go as efficiently and quickly as possible. Some of this may be due to Apple’s relative disadvantage early on in the Maps era in server resources. But that’s just a guess. It may also be that Apple designs “appliance” apps that do the most for the most people, and leave edge case scenarios to third party apps.

 

[MozMan68]

I think the Apple Maps gurus intentionally left out “AAA Triptik mode” (younger readers: look it up). Maps is designed to get you where you want to go as efficiently and quickly as possible. Some of this may be due to Apple’s relative disadvantage early on in the Maps era in server resources. But that’s just a guess. It may also be that Apple designs “appliance” apps that do the most for the most people, and leave edge case scenarios to third party apps.

As a somewhat "map geek" I use to love that when I was a kid. When our family moved from Los Angeles area to NYC area, my dad turned it into a 2 week vacation driving across the country heading North to Seattle and then East to MI, into Canada so we could swing through Toronto and then down through NY state to spend the night in NYC before meeting the movers at our new house in NJ. I studied that big ass book with the yellow highlighted route all day long.

Planned stops at a ton of National Parks, cool sites to see, crappy motels, great hotels...

So, yeah...having that capability in Maps for the less than 10 times you'll use it over a 30 year period seems worth it!

Just kidding...It would really be like one or two times in 30 years for me, but I DO get why it would be nice. Especially considering them adding the whole Guides info.

 

[dk001]

@G1Ravage , @gwhizkids , @MozMan68

Thanks for the comments.
Call me old fashioned but I am looking for AM to take over for GM - work trips, day trips, vacations, and point to point. Call me selfish but I want it all 😮.

@G1Ravage - thanks for the suggestion - I’ll have to try that for my next excursion. 👍

 

[uhaas]

Ah, you've come to the right place! I used to break my in-dash navi trying to force it to give me the routes I wanted.

One of my older cars used to give me up to six possible routes to my destination if it was a long trip. If I couldn't get the exact route I wanted to take, I would set a waypoint along the road I wanted, and then see how that affected my overall routing.

What I would do in your case is before I left, I would open up Apple Maps and request directions to each of my potential destinations for a long trip, as well as an intermediate destination alongside the road I really wanted to take. Setting a route and cancelling it puts that destination into the list of "recent" destinations, making them very easy to load at a moment's notice.

So when it's time to leave, I could set my destination as some random midpoint waypoint along the road or highway I wanted to take, and then as I'm getting close to that location, I could cancel the route, and then very easily load the route to my real destination.

This. I too have created waypoints on my car’s nav to force a specific route. Having that in AM, would be great.

 

[kave]

I still have iOS 14.7 on my main device, iPhone 12 pro. Today I am using it with car play and what I can tell is that the new maps color scheme from iOS 15 is there. Usually maps in iOS 14 is down toned. I dont have my Xs with iOS 15 with me at the moment to compare.

 

[MozMan68]

I still have iOS 14.7 on my main device, iPhone 12 pro. Today I am using it with car play and what I can tell is that the new maps color scheme from iOS 15 is there. Usually maps in iOS 14 is down toned. I dont have my Xs with iOS 15 with me at the moment to compare.

It’s an awesome difference..but wait until you get the new dark mode in iOS 15! So much easier to see.

 

[G1Ravage]

I still have iOS 14.7 on my main device, iPhone 12 pro. Today I am using it with car play and what I can tell is that the new maps color scheme from iOS 15 is there. Usually maps in iOS 14 is down toned. I dont have my Xs with iOS 15 with me at the moment to compare.

Oh, you're from Sweden. I'm not expecting to see any changes the US when I drive upstate today. lol

 

[MozMan68]

Oh, you're from Sweden. I'm not expecting to see any changes the US when I drive upstate today. lol

You should see the new terrain graphics as well. Was released worldwide, not just iOS 15 users.

Still missing the other road/text changes as can be seen in Justin’s overview, but much nicer in my opinion as it shows true terrain versus large swaths of nothing.

 

[G1Ravage]

You should see the new terrain graphics as well. Was released worldwide, not just iOS 15 users.

Still missing the other road/text changes as can be seen in Justin’s overview, but much nicer in my opinion as it shows true terrain versus large swaths of nothing.

I just loaded a navigation route and zoomed out and swiped around the northeast...and I'm not seeing anything new. Unless I'm not understanding what you say has changed. All of the US has already had the updated terrain graphics ever since we got the "new maps data" within the past two years. The greenery all looks the same to me.

I zoomed out some more, and made my way over to Europe and Asia, and I saw they all have some additional terrain colors in navigation mode, as was reported yesterday. But I'm honestly not seeing anything different over here.

 

[MozMan68]

I just loaded a navigation route and zoomed out and swiped around the northeast...and I'm not seeing anything new. Unless I'm not understanding what you say has changed. All of the US has already had the updated terrain graphics ever since we got the "new maps data" within the past two years. The greenery all looks the same to me.

I zoomed out some more, and made my way over to Europe and Asia, and I saw they all have some additional terrain colors in navigation mode, as was reported yesterday. But I'm honestly not seeing anything different over here.

Can I jump in a time machine and delete my idiotic post.

 

[G1Ravage]

You're getting my hopes up!!! lol

About four weeks ago, I submitted a bunch of feedback to Apple Maps via their website. I *very* quickly received e-mail responses for all of them, basically an automated response saying it will be looked into, or that some things I was reporting can't be changed until it's worked into a future update.

Within five days, most of what I wanted was corrected and changed.

So about four days ago, I submitted some more feedback via the website, hoping for the same quick response, but I haven't received any responses yet.

 

[MozMan68]

You're getting my hopes up!!! lol

About four weeks ago, I submitted a bunch of feedback to Apple Maps via their website. I *very* quickly received e-mail responses for all of them, basically an automated response saying it will be looked into, or that some things I was reporting can't be changed until it's worked into a future update.

Within five days, most of what I wanted was corrected and changed.

So about four days ago, I submitted some more feedback via the website, hoping for the same quick response, but I haven't received any responses yet.

They do seem to have a weird cycle right before major releases when they correct things en mass and very quickly.

I’ve been submitting more stuff lately simply because they seem to be addressing them.

 

[compwiz1202]

Since I'm waiting for the public beta, things I would love to see:

• Pics, Pics and more pics!
• How has reporting issues changed? Just tied to addition of personal profile or something more?
• User profile details.
• If anyone is in the SF area...video of zoom transitions and 3D lane guidance while routing.
• It says it has changed the way traffic and incidents are shown on the Map so they are more clear...pics!

Issues seem easier to report, but it's a moot point since they still don't actually change anything. Weis Markets moved at least two months ago and Maps still finds the old address showing permanently closed, and nothing with the new one. Google was updated in less than a week. I would be angry if I were Weis.