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AbSoluTc said:
Yeah, I am going to start doing this with my phones now. I have a 16 PM and I'm gonna keep it a while. When/if I ever need to upgrade, I'll do it second hand. I am just tired of these companies getting away with murder.
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Part of why Apple has been so successful in getting price premiums for its hardware is because people know there's a strong secondary market of eager buyers for Apple products, specifically. As more people compete to buy goods in the secondary market, the value of those goods go up, making it even more enticing for original owners to sell and buy anew.
 
I know that if I were accused of making a Nazi gesture, and I didn’t mean to, I would sure be vociferous in my denial and explanation of what I was actually doing

Elon’s actions since making the Nazi gesture tell you everything you need to know.

It is mind blowing to me how people are overcomplicating this
 
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Arsenikdote said:
If Elon wasn't trying to make the salute, his best course of action would have been to apologize and offer his explanation. But making fun of people for thinking that was a ridiculous move, period.

However, we all know he is on the spectrum, and anyone who has watched him talk for more than a few minutes of a presentation know his social skills in front of people are not great. So that can manifest in many ways.

I am not trying to excuse someone who performed an offensive gesture. I am not trying to not accept facts. But so far everything I have seen is just people giving their opinions or citing "news" sources that take a small piece of information and then tell us what they think it means. So, I would love to accept verified information, but I haven't seen anything, just people's opinions.

BTW, Musk is crazy! I am not defending him, I am being aware that humans easily gang up on other humans with little real facts and a whole lot of opinion. True mob mentality and then to make themselves feel better try to tie to to some "good cause"

Also, BlueSky might be good now, but once they need to make money that are screwed, just like all other social media platforms. We can enjoy it while it lasts though!
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Dude, I have adhd, possibly on the spectrum, and linking this behavior to autism is just rubbish. Elon is a contemptible person, there's no need to sugar coat it. He frequently engages and likes posts from actual nazis on Twitter. He frequently spouts racist crap. And now he's essentially trying to take over the government.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I know that if I were accused of making a Nazi gesture, and I didn’t mean to, I would sure be vociferous in my denial and explanation of what I was actually doing

Elon’s actions since making the Nazi gesture tell you everything you need to know.

It is mind blowing to me how people are overcomplicating this
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While I can understand the point you are trying to make, your circumstances are not his. He is a public figure that gets constant people saying crap about him. I can't even begin to imagine all of the craziness that must come his way. You know the whole theory about how Bill Gates is trying to sterilize the world? Imagine what Musk must get? He can't take everything people say about him and care about it. Obviously this might qualify as a different scenario because of the publicity and nature of it, but just trying to put into perspective that a normal person's reaction to people saying stuff about them is not the same thing for someone who lives in the public eye.

Also, Musk is on the spectrum so having that in the picture matters.

However, the best approach would have been, if you didn't mean to do it, to apologize.

BTW, I am not saying Musk is or is not racist, etc.... just responding to you saying people are "overcomplicating" the situation.
 
aloysiusfreeman said:
Dude, I have adhd, possibly on the spectrum, and linking this behavior to autism is just rubbish. Elon is a contemptible person, there's no need to sugar coat it. He frequently engages and likes posts from actual nazis on Twitter. He frequently spouts racist crap. And now he's essentially trying to take over the government.
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I already said I wasn't trying to excuse the behavior and the best course of action if he wasn't intending to make the gesture was to apologize.

However, my point to the other poster who you quoted my response to, was about citing actual information to have discussion on instead of just "joining the mob" and only acting emotionally, such as your reply to me.

I am not saying I like Elon or his behavior needs to be excused. I am saying as people on this planet, we need to adjust how we talk about things if we really care and aren't just trying to make ourselves feel better by venting on internet forums.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
"on the spectrum" is in no way an excuse for making gestures that look exactly like a Nazi salute ... according to actual Nazis

Why are you even spending energy trying to defend this?
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Not sure why you kept this post as you already quoted me in another one saying:

"I am not saying I like Elon or his behavior needs to be excused. I am saying as people on this planet, we need to adjust how we talk about things if we really care and aren't just trying to make ourselves feel better by venting on internet forums."
 
turbineseaplane said:
Which he did not do

Which tells us all we need to know
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If you just want to fuel the "mob mentality" and the "outcry" of it all, then you are right, that is all you need to know. IF however, you care about discourse amongst diverse humans, then it is not all you need to know.

My whole point and the thing I care about is that humans easily gang up on other humans with little real facts and a whole lot of opinion. True mob mentality and then to make themselves feel better try to tie to to some "good cause" and it is sickening. I can think Elon's actions are horrible and still not be on board with a lynch mob. I can also believe that people should be provided due process without being accused of supporting terrible actions.
 
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Reading the hate here and sipping a Chablis knowing every MR editor has an X account and Bernie was just exposed yesterday by RFK Jr. for being the biggest hypocrite in a town full of hypocrites. Life is good.
 
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I already mostly said what I think about Elon's salute previously, but I also will say that regardless of whether he is or is not a Nazi, a white supremacist, whatever else, he generally comes off as a bad father, horrible at personal interactions, and someone that enjoys inciting arguments and angry discourse (the last of which which is probably why he has so many "fans" now though).

That said, I would also say that his actions with the salutes, follow-up comments, etc., could be just as much him trolling liberals/leftists/whatever as it is him having white supremacist or Nazi-aligned beliefs.

I do however think that as it relates to Elon's "humor" and his recent actions and the trolling he does, that old adage of "In every joke there is an element of the truth" probably still applies.

MacLawyer said:
Reading the hate here and sipping a Chablis knowing every MR editor has an X account and Bernie was just exposed yesterday by RFK Jr. for being the biggest hypocrite in a town full of hypocrites. Life is good.
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The only "exposing" I personally saw was RFK Jr. perjuring himself relative to past comments, as well as displaying such a fundamental lack of actual science-based health care knowledge that it should instantly disqualify the man for HHS secretary to anyone with a actual reasonable open mind regardless of politics.
 
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I have never been more happy that there's a big pond between Europe and US.
People are really going nuts over there.

Also pleased that I have already bought what I need of the important Apple-stuff.
Will try to avoid buying, at least from Apple, until Tim's gone.
I might need some sort of iPad in a not too long time. Not buying from Apple.
Refurbed is possible, Aple don't sell that here anyway.
Will do my absolute best to not support 'this Apple' and hope that next CEO are much, much better.
I never liked Cook, but he's getting from dislikable to words I don't even want to use.
 
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Arsenikdote said:
Ummmmm, not really related to a specific post of yours, but do you know your signature quote is by Kevin Strom the white nationalist and neo-Nazi?

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Kevin Alfred Strom - Wikipedia

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My grandparents were in the French resistance and risked their lives passing messages to the Le Maqui. No chance of me leaning fascist. Didn't know where I got the quote.
 
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coolfactor said:
Are you saying that Community Notes are the right solution, and "X is fine" because it's moderated by the community instead of a politically-biased corporate entity?
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No. He means now that everyone is going nazi there no problem being associated with and getting involved with them any more. Everyone from the US pres and down is doing it now and it’s apparently even totally cool to Sieg Heil in public and snitch on anyone with a non binary pronoun.
 
aloysiusfreeman said:
He literally livestreamed into an AfD rally, and has said AfD is the only hope for Germany. Elon's dad has even said Elon's maternal grandparents supported Hitler. So two nazi salutes is pretty clear of where his ideology lies.

I get that major media doesn't wade through this **** because they're corporate/billionaire owned and are fine with all of this, but all of Elon's behavior and actions is that of a fascist. A really pathetic one because he is the worlds most pathetic human being, but a fascist nonetheless.
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1) Don't use references to parents and grandparents to fault someone. A good friend of mine years ago had horrible issues because his father was in fact, lost in WW2 and was a Nazi. My friend is anything but a Nazi. As for his reference to being a hope for Germany - consider: Germany went along with EU and are paying a huge price for it. The centrists and the "right" find themselves aligned in their tacit disapproval of how things are handled. EU is created these centrists gone to the right or the extreme right appearing more tolerable. Musk grew up with lots of friends who are Jews. It is not likely his attitudes have changed about the Jews. Btw, the salute people talk about doesn't start with pressing one's fist to their heart.
 
turbineseaplane said:
"on the spectrum" is in no way an excuse for making gestures that look exactly like a Nazi salute ... according to actual Nazis
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The thing is: the actual Nazis are finally figured out that they were used as puppets all along and now they are desperately trying to get in on the action of hijacking the narratives. There is no excuse for the NATO logo, it must die.

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Apple SJW-CEO Tim Cook often virtue signals that he supports various left-wing causes, but then wants to give large amounts of Apple's money to X's Elon Musk, who is using his money to help far-right fascist politicans get elected in the U.S. and in Europe.
 
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Musk being accused of antisemitism is rich coming from some in these halls. He's not, and everyone knows it, but we should still pile onto him and boycott X because of his political beliefs and for his audacity to champion free speech and end censorship on a platform no longer controlled by democrats?

No. I'd rather see Apple distance themselves from poisonous propaganda and take advantage of advertising their products and services to more than just leftist-approved venues.
 
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mansplains said:
It's nothing to do with this, but purely due to posts relating to Musk bringing out the worst in people. There is a whole machine depending on you getting upset about every little thing. Don't give in!
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Very well said. This same article has a tone of that very same spice-up sauce.

That salute has been done by many when taken out of context, no matter which side, but remarking it as a purposefully made legit gesture as much as possible enrages everybody (understandably).
 
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