It's quite possible that alex00100 is wealthy and successful as well, since he didn't state anything to the contrary. I know a few well-off people who dislike big corporations.
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iPhone 8/Plus Apple mistakingly sent my cousin 2 iphones
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It's quite possible that alex00100 is wealthy and successful as well, since he didn't state anything to the contrary. I know a few well-off people who dislike big corporations.
Try being a poor student who can barely afford food and we’ll talk about feelings.
More arrogance, like I myself wasn't a poor student eating generic mac and cheese from a can in my senior year of college because I didn't have two pennies in my pocket or being cramped into a small apartment with five other recent graduates because my student loan payments were high. Wealthy Big Company executives just magically appear, right? Couldn't possibly be that we actually worked our tails off to get there, right?
I'll let you in on a little secret: Big Companies aren't the problem. Lazy people who don't want to work hard to build financial success, are. So generalizing that all Big Companies are "evil" and thus all the executives who work there are "evil" is a terrible thing to say and an even worse thing to believe. In the end your success or failure is on you, not companies, not Apple or some banking institution.
Dude, going around telling people that they are lazy if they are poor, that is arrogance.
I assume you are from U.S. as only rich people from there can put “trophy wife” on their list of belongings. Understand that people like you have created a country where you can’t live like a normal human being until you’re at least 40 at best and only if you can get a job like yours. And while you and the other 1% are having a good time in your beach houses, we don’t even have heating in our dorms during winter.
Your understanding of how things work in the United States couldn't possibly be more off base. Unless you live in New York or San Francisco, where real estate prices are out of control, you can live like a "normal human being" pretty much anywhere else by the time you graduate from college and get a decent job.
One thing that is fundamentally flawed with your overly presumptive statement is the fact you made it in the first place, particularly since you're from Moscow, where real estate prices make New York and Tokyo look affordable. How do I know this? I was born in Moscow and still have family there.
I want to post some comments here to a certain member, but won't.
As the OP has one post total and hasn't returned (Troll??), maybe Mods should close this morality thread. Or, move it.
If not trolling, would have been nice and expected for OP to tell us their decision.
As the OP has one post total and hasn't returned (Troll??), maybe Mods should close this morality thread. Or, move it.
If not trolling, would have been nice and expected for OP to tell us their decision.
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This wasn't unordered merchandise. She ordered it. Yes, she cancelled the order, but "ordered + cancelled" is not unordered merchandise.
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Who says Trump's wife is dumb? I bet she's more intelligent than her husband. It's hard to imagine how she could not be.
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To be honest, many companies would never employ you with that attitude.
And now a look at the real situation: Chase rejected her card and refused to deliver the first iPhone. Then Chase took her second card and delivered a second iPhone. Next, Chase made a mistake and delivered the first iPhone, even though the card was declined. Chase didn't manage to fix up the situation in two months, and permanently removed the charge for the first card, basically saying "we messed up, we pay for it". So between the cousin and Chase, everything is fine. Chase lost money, but that happens sometimes. It happens that when companies make mistakes, they pay for them.
As far as Apple is concerned, they are completely unaware of all of this. They have no idea that the first card was declined. They got their money from Chase, delivered a phone for it, got the money for a second phone, delivered that as well. Nothing the cousin needs to do as far as Apple is concerned.
It would seem that the cousin is now the rightful owner of the phone. She cannot prove that she purchased it (because she didn't), so if she needs a warranty repair, that _might_ be a problem. Hard to say.
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You're correct, I believe this thread should be closed. Everything that needs to be said was in this thread and it's clear what the OP should do. Sometimes in certain threads , you have these anonymous strangers on the Internet That there are not necessarily looking to do the right thing, they are only portraying that they will do the right thing, when in reality, they have no intention of doing so at all.
Now you're stereotyping all Americans with the same broad brush?
If you're looking for someone to blame and a shoulder to cry on, there are forums for that sort of thing. We're here to talk about $1250 smartphones. This is a tech forum.
Completely disagree with you. I too am a moderately wealthy (in New York standards) senior executive in a big Firm. I'd also like to believe that I am a relatively nice person who tries to be friendly with those I come into contact with. I give money to charity and try help those in need. However, make no mistake, my nice personality is not relevant to the fact that our business model is evil as hell. I can admit that I get paid a fortune yet delegate the real donkey work to those below me who don't make nearly enough. They do the real grunt work with blood sweat and tears whilst I sit in a relatively cushy office billing clients for the work that these guys do, whilst pocketing the bulk of it with less than 1% actually going into the pockets of these workers. Granted I am getting paid to set the direction and make the decisions, but I'm not on the ground doing the execution. Additionally, a few years ago we laid off our US based IT department, and gave those jobs to call center in Mumbai. A few years ago during a bad few business years we laid off good and honest blue collar workers, yet us senior executives kept our inflated bonuses. Now that the tax bill got passed, our Firm has no plans to pump the tax savings into wages for the poor New Yorker mid-level employees about to pay a higher tax bill due to the elimination of their SALT deduction , but rather into shareholder dividends, share buy-backs with the leftovers being used to further inflate our (meaning senior executives) bonuses. Yes, like you and others, I spent decades sweating blood and tears doing the hard labour to get to where I am today, and would I voluntarily give this all up - hell no! But at least I can admit that the Firm I work for is evil as hell. I am too.
I am sorry, the poster hurt your feelings, but don't insult his and others's intelligence by claiming you feel hurt by his comments. The reality is that we are living a good life, and probably a better life than most ordinary American's ever will. You don't need to rub his face in it just because you are a "nice" wealthy person. Please
I'm not saying every company has good intentions nor am I saying every executive in Big Business is decent and charitable. What I'm saying is that the prior poster should not be generalizing us all in these terms and should not use the image of a successful businessman as something "evil" when its what so many wish to be in a capitalistic society. If you don't want me to throw my wealth in his face, perhaps you should instruct him that he shouldn't throw his poverty in mine. The feelings of poor struggling people don't get some kind of priority over the feelings of wealthy successful people. We are all people, after all.
From an Apple standpoint, I don't see a company that is trying to hurt its customers. I see a company that's trying everything it can to please us. As such, if I was accidentally sent a duplicate iPhone I would return it to the nearest Apple store, no different than when I refused Apple's gift of a free bumper case with the iPhone 4 as I felt antennagate was bogus and a situation manipulated by the press. Big Business needs its profitability in order to make great products, provide great services, and very importantly- to keep employing large amounts of people. If we all started stealing gum from 7-11, pretty soon the company would be in trouble, it would raise its prices, and it would fire hoards of workers. Big Business isn't the bad guy; it's the thieves and those who think they are owed some free ride that are.
Not just worked our tails off. Plenty of factory workers and construction workers work their tails off day in and day out sweating blood and tears, yet will never become a "very wealthy" senior executive like you. Hard work and competence is just one aspect. A lot of senior execs had to play and win a political power game somewhere along the way. If you are as senior as you say you are, then you already know the type of person that usually wins these power games. Others worked hard and caught a lucky break at some point in their careers (right place at the right time).
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Is this damn thread still going on?!?! I mean come on, this is simply not a hard situation. Call Apple and/or Chase and see what the "real" situation is and if they say keep it, then keep it. However, if they say return it, please return it and be honest. Be honest with Apple, and they may reward you.
Nonsense. You telling me Saudi Princes don't have trophy wives? What about Grace Mugabe? Princess Charlene of Monaco? Putin has one.
Your mentality is eerily similar to the one of a certain young German man by the name of Adolf who took exception to the German government and the manner in which the blue collar workers were being marginalized. Next thing you know, he had murdered 6 million Jews with a justification they were greedy and evil too.
Where do you draw the line? Stealing a phone is justified because the Co is evil? Steal money because a bank is evil? Kill Bill Cosby because he is a predator? Murder 6 million of the world's wealthiest capitalists?
Playing politics is sometimes necessary but it does not mitigate the amount of hard work that was needed over a 20 year period to achieve my/your level of success.
My point is simply that it is wrong for people to think that all top management in all corporations are "evil" and that our feelings are to be target practice for everyone who has a beef with their lot in life.
Most importantly, Go Rangers.
Your response above is hugely dissapointing and shows me that you don’t get it. Let’s take John Smith as an example. He lives out in the middle of nowhere, has a family, and every day he wakes up at 4am, rides his bike in the snow to the factory, and then works a 12 hour shift in that factory on some assembly line for a measly wage that can barely feed his family. John has a son who wants to be a policeman, and a daughter who wants to be a doctor. John works his whole like to make it happen for both. His son becomes a Sherrif deputy also making a measly living whilst putting his life on the life, whilst the daughter emerges from a decade of school, internships, and residency working ridiculous 24 hour shifts, with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt that she will probably take another 20 years to pay off before even breaking even.
Then we have you and me, who also worked our butts off to get to where we are today, but the only difference between the Smith family and us is that we are wealthy and them not even close. Do we deserve more wealth than the factory worker who worked his whole life to survive and look after his family, the policeman who puts his life on the line every day, or the doctor who works these ridiculous shifts to save lives? The reality of the situation is that no matter how hard we both worked to earn our wealth, it is unfair that we have the wealth and the Smith family struggle to put food on the table. It’s unfair, it’s capitalism, and it’s life. Additionally, I work for a Company, whether I like it or not, who’s mere is existence is to make money. That’s all. We fired Americans so we could hire cheap labor offshore who get treated like slaves in inhumane conditions, we keep as much money as we can offshore in tax havens rather than in the US economy, and we secretly funnel money to Washington to essentially ensure that the senator or Congressmen who best look out for our interests are the ones who get elected. As a senior executive and officer of the Company, I have no right to then distance myself from these policies and this business model. Although I may not like and agree with the above, it’s what pays me and puts me in my fortunate position, and therefore I also have to be accountable and associated with it. When a family like the Smith’s look at me, and look at the Company that represents me just as much as I represent it, they have every right to believe that we are evil, and by association I am equally evil.
Everyday I am humbled by the many Smith’s I see around me. It’s unfair that I have more wealth than they ever will, and it’s also unfair that the American Company I work with can do the things it does just to make a profit. If people like the Smith hate us for it, then they have every right to do so. It’s not personal, it may be unfair, but it’s also life.
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I’m actually an Islanders fan
I’ll take one of them if you’re having trouble deciding. That way you won’t have to worry about it.
I’m the kind of person who will run down the street to give a person something they dropped.
But this person requested not to be charged, waited two months, and Apple hasn’t responded.
Why haven’t they responded? Because it’s not worth their time. This kind of situation clearly doesn’t happen to them often enough to warrant a protocol to deal with it efficiently.
So why should this person, who has already expended more effort than Apple, waste any more time on it? A phone call to Apple could result in hold times and call backs and emails and then waiting for a fedex pickup, etc.
If you order takeout and you find an extra cheeseburger in the bag, how many of you can honestly say you’d call the restaurant and give them your credit card number so they could charge you for it?
A cheeseburger at your local diner is a larger percentage of the diner’s bottom line than an single iPhone is to Apple.
Eat the burger and enjoy it. Or if it really bugs you out, sell it and donate the proceeds to charity.
But this person requested not to be charged, waited two months, and Apple hasn’t responded.
Why haven’t they responded? Because it’s not worth their time. This kind of situation clearly doesn’t happen to them often enough to warrant a protocol to deal with it efficiently.
So why should this person, who has already expended more effort than Apple, waste any more time on it? A phone call to Apple could result in hold times and call backs and emails and then waiting for a fedex pickup, etc.
If you order takeout and you find an extra cheeseburger in the bag, how many of you can honestly say you’d call the restaurant and give them your credit card number so they could charge you for it?
A cheeseburger at your local diner is a larger percentage of the diner’s bottom line than an single iPhone is to Apple.
Eat the burger and enjoy it. Or if it really bugs you out, sell it and donate the proceeds to charity.
The takeaway here is that you feel guilty for your success. That's fine, but don't project your personal disappointment onto me or anyone else who made their millions in companies with proper ethics. Consider leaving your company perhaps, show the same moral fortitude there as you do monologuing here. The soap box you are on would be considered tolerable, even admirable, if you backed it up for real.
As for your tale of sorrow for the less fortunate, I wasn't born under a lucky star nor a silver spoon in my mouth. John Smith is in that factory because why? Bad grades in high school? Didn't graduate college? Criminal activity? Drug use? Chose poorly in career pathing? Most that I've worked around simply didn't apply themselves enough. Were either afraid of failure in making the attempt or were just too lazy to bother. And that type of person is the first to cry the blues about how Big Corporate America is keeping him down and how its all unfair. Blame someone else, it's always the easy way to justify one's lot in life.
I see a little bit of truth in both sentences.
But back to the OP. If the entire story has been told then there’s nothing more to do. If the OP really really feels bad about it just sell the phone and donate the money to a local charity lol. Buy iTunes gift cards and give them to broke colleg students so they can enjoy Apple and give Apple back their money in another form lol.
Your statement above sums up perfectly the fact that you yourself look down upon those less fortunate than yourself and raise your nose at them. The generalization you accused others of making of you, you turn around and make of others. Although true for some, it is completely inappropriate and completely untrue that those who themselves never make the millions that you and I make are due the fact that somewhere in life they did drugs, or engaged in criminal activity, or had bad grades. Capitalism by nature does not allow for an equal sharing of wealth to those who deserve it. Furthermore, capitalism by design also does not allow for everyone who works as hard as you to become millionaires. Its the nature of the beast, a system that history has shown to ultimately work the best. I wouldn't have it any other way. There are too many good and hardworking blue collar workers out there who deserve better though. I don't feel guilty about my wealth and how I got it, but I do ensure that I allow myself to be humbled by those around me who work just as hard as I do - the many policemen, doctors, nurses, teachers, factory workers ect ect.
You want the best of both worlds. You want to be able to look down on and judge those less fortunate than yourself, yet you then also take offense when those people judge and attack corporate America. The antics of AIG, Bear Sterns, Lehman, the Legacy airlines, the motor companies amongst others have provided the fuel for people to be angry. You don't get the luxury of a dissociation from that just because you are a nice guy. You are too senior and get paid too much to not be held accountable for the sins made by others through the same system that made you wealthy. I sleep soundly at night because I know that I personally conduct myself ethically with honesty and integrity, but that doesn't absolve me from being a target for those who have every right to feel hate at us. On a daily basis, I take much more than a fair share of money made possible by others who put in the grunt work and get less. It's greed, its capitalism, its life, and its enough for others to hate.
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First off, I am not looking down on anyone. Just stating fact.
Next, the people you mentioned as part of your poor, less fortunate group? Policeman get to retire at age 40 while you and I will still be toiling away for another 15 years. Teachers wind up with three months off every year to enjoy their summers. Doctors make huge bank and wind up as small business owners who can sell their practices and dictate their schedules as they guide themselves towards a soft retirement. Like these other professions, factory workers are there by choice. If they wanted a different job or a different lifestyle they could have it. It's America, there's nothing here stopping anyone.
Lastly, taking the moral high ground through typed words in a discussion forum fall completely on deaf years when you don't take action to change what's going on in your company and your life by being associated with that company. If preaching these words of goodness and purity make you feel better, that's cool, but you aren't actually doing anything about it to make the situation better. So you are partially right; you aren't absolved from being a target for those who have every right to feel hate towards you. That, however, doesn't apply to me.
I never once referred to those professions as poor, I referred to them as less fortunate. There is a difference. I would say someone that doesn’t bring in the millions that you do is less fortunate. In addition, your statements definitely demonstrate your ignorance and complete disrespect to these professions. I am sure many, if not all, teachers would feel insulted by your statement that they get 3 months off every year. The reality is that a hardworking tenured teacher in New York will bring in between 40 and 75k a year on average. That is nothing when compared against the cost of living in this city. Most work summer jobs during those summer months to bring in more much needed income. In addition, have you ever taught before? I taught a week long new hire training course a decade ago, and by Friday I was so exhausted that once I got into bed I couldn’t move. Now I was teaching well behaving adults. Teachers are on their feet every day trying to teach children. It is difficult, energy sapping and I respect the hell out of those who do it because I certainly can’t. Yet they get paid peanuts for their efforts. Finally, they don’t get 3 months off. That just shows your ignorance. They teach until, mid June, and then have to restart the prep work at the end of August, so it is just a little over 2 months. You believing that all doctors end up with multi-million practices once again shows how far out of touch with reality you are. I am friends with plenty of successful doctors, and they spend over a decade in school and residency/fellowships before they started earning anything decent, another decade to establish and really get their practices off the ground, yet they are swimming in debt from student loans to the loans needed to invest in their practices. Many of these guys don’t break even until they are in their mid 40’s if at all. Don’t even get me started on policemen. Let me just say that if you make a small mistake at work, what the worst that comes of it? Now a policeman making that same small mistake is the difference between life and death.
I personally find your comments to be uninformed, ignorant and disrespectful. It’s comments like yours that is just one of the reasons why there is hate being directed the way of Corporate America for which you find hurtful.