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Apple on Verizon - it's officially...

I don't think it's Apple's game in my opinion.

Go to a Verizon store and look at the line of droids. They have marketed themselves as such compared to AT&T.

And Apple knows it.

Money standpoint doesn't matter. People who want the iPhone will switch carriers.

I know lots of people who done so.

Marc
 
mpossoff said:
I don't think it's Apple's game in my opinion.

Go to a Verizon store and look at the line of droids. They have marketed themselves as such compared to AT&T.

Marc
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True, but they are marketing themselves as such because they don't have an iPhone. Though I conceded you may very well be correct.
 
Revelation78 said:
True, but they are marketing themselves as such because they don't have an iPhone. Though I conceded you may very well be correct.
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Right and as a result have marketed against the iPhone.

In my opinion Verizon is committed to droids as the competitor against the iPhone.

If the droids are so great as Verizon says are they not comfortable with products that are becoming their staple against the iPhone?

I'm not saying the droids or great or not or better or not better then the iPhone?

If Verizon is so sure about droid technology it will make them look bad in my opinion to carry a product that has been droid competition.

Marc
 
mpossoff said:
Right and as a result have marketed against the iPhone.

In my opinion Verizon is committed to droids as the competitor against the iPhone.

If the droids are so great as Verizon says are they not comfortable with products that are becoming their staple against the iPhone?

I'm not saying the droids or great or not or better or not better then the iPhone?

If Verizon is so sure about droid technology it will make them look bad in my opinion to carry a product that has been droid competition.

Marc
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The way I see it, Verizon initially pumped up the Android headsets because they (1) believed they would win back their customers (2) trying to stop customers from jumping over to AT&T for an iPhone.

It happens every day in sales. You take whatever product you have and make the customer believe it's better than your competition even when it isn't.

That's why I also mentioned earlier in this thread, or another one, that the announcement from Verizon's CEO was a why of apologizing to Apple for the Droid ads. Bottom line of Verizon/AT&T/etc... could carry every popular phone
they would.
 
jeremy.king said:
I agree. Both AT&T and Verizon are rolling out 4g using LTE - eliminating the technical reasons for not having multiple carriers.
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I have to disagree, LTE will not be rolled out until 2015. Even then it will not encompass all of Verizon's current network. Thus, the Verizon iPhone must support legacy CDMA until well into 2025.
 
As stated, some carriers in CHINA use CDMA. Oh and Verizon is the biggest carrier in the US - enough said
 
rdowns said:
Dream on. Verizon's CEO went public with his desire to carry the phone. He would never have done that if he had been talking to Apple.
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Yeah there is no way Verizon gets iPhones before next year at the earliest.

It is very likely that AT&T was able to extend their iPhone deal when they aggressively went after the iPad 3G business.
 
Revelation78 said:
Also keep in mind the very first protoype iPhone was a CDMA phone - most of the work is already done.
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Even changing the software to support CDMA is pretty easy. In 2008 this guy was porting Android to the HTC Vogue in his spare time and he managed to get the thus-far-GSM-only OS running on his CDMA device:

Update(29/5/08): SMS text send and receive now works. This was a little more tricky, I had to convert between GSM and CDMA SMS formats. My code doesn't support all encoding formats so it is possible that it won't work for operators other than Telecom New Zealand, let me know. The emulator doesn't include an SMS application so I wrote a very small bit of android code just to test SMS. Start the sms app to send a message, received messages are just displayed for a short time. Remember this app is just for testing, when the final software is released I'm sure it will have a fantastic threaded sms application. I have taken the API Demos out of the initrd and added the world clock and SMS tester.
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Revelation78 said:
I have to disagree, LTE will not be rolled out until 2015. Even then it will not encompass all of Verizon's current network. Thus, the Verizon iPhone must support legacy CDMA until well into 2025.
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According to Verizon, LTE is being rolled out in "up to 30 markets in 2010" and will hit nationwide coverage by 2013.
 
A Verizon iPhone is inevitable, of course. Looks like it will be this year, 3rd of 4th quarter. No point in waiting for LTE. Both Verizon and Apple will lose a lot of market ground in that interval.
 
rtmadden said:
According to Verizon, LTE is being rolled out in "up to 30 markets in 2010" and will hit nationwide coverage by 2013.
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"Nationwide" is the key term. Verizon did not say they will offer 4G every where it offers 3G currently. If you do more digging you will find that 2015 is a better estimate as to when "most" markets will have 4G service and 2025 when all of Verizon's network will be running 4G.

Heck I can setup 4 towers spaced accross the US and call it "nationwide."
 
I don't know much about the subject, but iPhones are available in Japan, doesn't Japan use CDMA? Or is the Japanese iPhone GSM? If it is adaptable in Japan, certainly there must be an easy way to adapt the iPhone to Verizon's CDMA network in the US correct? Or am I way off? :D
 
Revelation78 said:
"Nationwide" is the key term. Verizon did not say they will offer 4G every where it offers 3G currently. If you do more digging you will find that 2015 is a better estimate as to when "most" markets will have 4G service and 2025 when all of Verizon's network will be running 4G.

Heck I can setup 4 towers spaced accross the US and call it "nationwide."
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I guess you could do that, but no one else would call that nationwide. Can you provide a source for this 2025 business? Do you mean 2025 is when Verizon will stop supporting CDMA?
 
weezercleaver said:
I don't know much about the subject, but iPhones are available in Japan, doesn't Japan use CDMA? Or is the Japanese iPhone GSM? If it is adaptable in Japan, certainly there must be an easy way to adapt the iPhone to Verizon's CDMA network in the US correct? Or am I way off? :D
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Japan has CDMA and WCDMA. I'm not sure about GSM, but a "normal" iPhone can be used there.
 
techguy866 said:
Two things happen when Verizon gets the iPhone that benefit us all. Most people who were willing to leave Verizon just for the iPhone on ATT have already done so. This means no more switchers (for the most part) from Verizon to ATT.

When Verizon gets it then all those people who really wanted Verizon will go back. This will make them happy because they didn't like ATT and this will make ATT customers happy because this will free up space on the network! Either way, everyone wins. Except of course those Verizon people who don't care about the iPhone and start complaining about their slowing network.
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This is exactly why I want Verizon to get the iPhone. I've had both networks, and haven't had problems with either.

Maybe I'm one of the fortunate few to be able to say that, but as far as where I live and travel, carriers are interchangeable. It's the phone/device that dictates what network I'm on.
 
mpossoff said:
To make an iPhone for CDMA as someone said wouldn't be cost effective for the long haul.
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So Samsung, Motorola, Blackberry, HTC, LG and all the other manufacturers who make CDMA model phones specifically for Verizon are losing money then?? All of these manufacturers make phones for Verizon's network that are popular for a year or two at most before being replaced by something newer and better. I'm pretty sure they'd stop making phones if they couldn't turn a profit.

This is a POOR argument for why the iPhone won't come to Verizon and it gets thrown around a LOT on this forum.
 
mpossoff said:
Money standpoint doesn't matter. People who want the iPhone will switch carriers.

I know lots of people who done so.

Marc
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And I know lots of people who use Verizon because they have to. Marketing discounts, Verizon through their work, no AT&T coverage where they live, bad experience with AT&T in the past....many reasons why many people can't switch carriers, and convince themselves that a Droid is just as good as an iPhone.

The hardware issue is trivial. As Apple has developed the iPhone HD, they just develop two hardware models (maybe four if we're talking Sprint and T-Mobile). What's the big deal? Does anyone really believe that the won't recoup that investment in a CDMA iPhone for the two or three years CDMA has left?

As the cell phone market continues to evolve, Apple can't really afford to ignore Verizon, and Verizon can't really afford to let them. Let alone China.
 
mpossoff said:
To make an iPhone for CDMA as someone said wouldn't be cost effective for the long haul.
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What long haul? Apple brings out a new iPhone hardware platform once a year. Just make a few extras next go-around but pop a CDMA chip in it instead.
 
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