Apple (or any other company) will never ever beat Google

[ardchoille50]

This is not true, in fact, he expressed the contrary. And if you read your own link you will see that

No, I'm sorry, but he did not express the contrary. Did you read what was printed, or did you see what you wanted to see?

"Open platforms historically undergo a lot of scrutiny, but there are a lot of advantages to having an open source platform from a security standpoint. I would argue that it's the best way for a platform to be secure,.."
GNU/Linux is also open source. But, after having spent 13 years on Linux (about half that time as a developer), I learned that it's more secure due to the way it's designed.. not because it's "open".

"Earlier this week, Google Android chief Sundar Pichai spoke at the Mobile World Congress where he explained, rather bluntly, that Android is designed to be open more than it's designed to be safe."
Security of user data was clearly placed lower on their list of priorities than was freedom for users.

"We can not guarantee that Android is designed to be safe, the format was designed to give more freedom."
That's lawyer-speak, in case you didn't catch it, to say "we feel that freedom is more important than the security of your data".

"That said, attributing Android's malware problem strictly to market share is a cop-out."
Obviously. Microsoft Windows is more popular than GNU/Linux, yet it is less secure. Do some historical research regarding the number of viruses and trojans for Windows and GNU/Linux.

In other words, it'd be nice to see Google work tirelessly to get ahead of malware rather than seemingly stating, "Well of course we have malware, we're popular!"

"Also recall this 2013 report from F-Secure, which singled out Google's Android platform for being particularly prone to malware. That report also found that malware specifically targeting iOS only accounted for 0.7% of reported malware threats."

Pichai's statements are full of ambiguity and lawyer-speak. He plays up "freedom for users" to make Android sound good while steering clear of answering specific security issues. This way his statements can easily be "explained" with more lawyer-speak later if it comes back to bite him. I doubt it will come back to him, though, as some folks aren't able to see when a person dances around a subject rather than actually explain it.

"Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions." - Winston Churchill

 

[Oletros]

"Earlier this week, Google Android chief Sundar Pichai spoke at the Mobile World Congress where he explained, rather bluntly, that Android is designed to be open more than it's designed to be safe."
Security of user data was clearly placed lower on their list of priorities than was freedom for users.

"We can not guarantee that Android is designed to be safe, the format was designed to give more freedom."
That's lawyer-speak, in case you didn't catch it, to say "we feel that freedom is more important than the security of your data".

Pichai statements are not full of ambiguity, just because those quotes are not Pichai statements

Can you read your own links and what Pichai really said and not what one translated wrong from French?

What the English quote says:
"We can not guarantee that Android is designed to be safe, the format was designed to give more freedom."

What the actual French quote says:
Nous avons conçu Android pour être sûr, son format a été conçu pour donner plus de liberté.

 

[ardchoille50]

Pichai statements are not full of ambiguity, just because those quotes are not Pichai statements

Can you read your own links and what Pichai really said and not what one translated wrong from French?

What the English quote says:
"We can not guarantee that Android is designed to be safe, the format was designed to give more freedom."

What the actual French quote says:
Nous avons conçu Android pour être sûr, son format a été conçu pour donner plus de liberté.

So, you're saying that Google, a billion-dollar company, allowed a mistranslation in an article that was meant for public consumption and they haven't made a publicly available correction? Would that not lead one to believe that Google simply doesn't care? If they care so little for their own image, why should we believe they care about their users?

Perhaps they used Google Translate

 

[Oletros]

So, you're saying that Google, a billion-dollar company, allowed a mistranslation in an article that was meant for public consumption and they haven't made a publicly available correction? Would that not lead one to believe that Google simply doesn't care? If they care so little for their own image, why should we believe they care about their users?

Perhaps they used Google Translate

Did you read your links? Google in fact gave the correction.

Are you really serious or are you trying to laugh at us?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

There is no free lunch in this world.

I know that, my phone cost enough! lol

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Ultimately people will use the best apps available. If Google provide a better standard than iOS alternatives then users will download the better option. As long as Googles apps are being used widely across platforms, they will be grateful regardless of what platform that may be.

 

[Spoolx]

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[tcc1]

In Terms Of Fluidity/Smoothness/Speed/Performance Does The Latest Android Os Compare To Ios Yet?

 

[MRU]

In Terms Of Fluidity/Smoothness/Speed/Performance Does The Latest Android Os Compare To Ios Yet?

Stock 5.1.1 on Nexus 6 is very smooth and fluid.

 

[Robisan]

"On Google, Apple, data, privacy, rhetoric — and making up your own mind"

Interesting short piece that's relevant to issues discussed in this thread. Of note, I'd call out this:

And read the terms of service for more information. Here are some handy links for the Big 3:

Apple's legal section
Google policies
Microsoft legal resources

You'll find a lot in common between the three there. Especially if you read into interest-based advertising and collecting usage data. (Hint: They all do it. Every. Single. One.)​

 

[C DM]

What is wrong with you Americans, I wish Apple had followed Google Now and stored this stuff in iCloud, as well as going through all your personal files. These features are needed to make a useful digital assistant, and as long as Apple has good security protocols in place who cares if their AI is trawling through your data.

Don't most other places (like let's say in Europe) have even more stringent privacy requirements?

 

[nviz22]

Captain Obvious saves the day once again.

He took a break from his commercials just in time.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

"On Google, Apple, data, privacy, rhetoric — and making up your own mind"

Interesting short piece that's relevant to issues discussed in this thread. Of note, I'd call out this:

And read the terms of service for more information. Here are some handy links for the Big 3:

Apple's legal section
Google policies
Microsoft legal resources

You'll find a lot in common between the three there. Especially if you read into interest-based advertising and collecting usage data. (Hint: They all do it. Every. Single. One.)​

And I'm pretty sure those three share with each other.

 

[josephkrishna]

Don't most other places (like let's say in Europe) have even more stringent privacy requirements?

I'm pretty sure that in places like Europe the laws are just that people should have a choice. I think that people should have the choice wether or not they want Apple AIs trawling through their data, that way both sides of the argument could be happy.

 

[Michael Goff]

In Terms Of Fluidity/Smoothness/Speed/Performance Does The Latest Android Os Compare To Ios Yet?

Yes, stock 5.1.1 matches and sometimes is better than iOS.

 

[nfl46]

I now see why I stay out of this section. Another one of these threads...Smh.

 

[Savor]

Apple announced a lot of features aimed directly at Google, such as Proactive, new Siri, Maps, as well as multitasking features from Windows and Android.

I'm not going to play the 'who copied who' game, that's not really important. The key thing is that things like Google Now, Google Maps have had many many years of refinement, and there is no possible way Apple's versions can ever be as good.

- GNow is powered not just by Android, but by google.com and Gmail, which is how it can know so much. It builds knowledge based on what you've searched for across multiple devices, not just your phone. The same applies for Cortana which is going to be built into Windows 10, and will use data from bing.

- Google is unquestionably the leader in software and data. Microsoft is also a software company. Apple is primarily a hw company.

- Apple's offerings are tied to iOS and OSX. Apple has no search engine, no email, no other cross platform services which power this.

- Its nice that Apple will try to recreate Street View data, but to be honest they're can only doing this because they lots of extra money. There is no possible way any other company will company will come close to Street View data. Bing has been trying for years and haven't come close. By the time they reach parity, if they ever do, Maps will have advanced that much more.

I think competition is really good for users, but in this case the gap is simply too wide. e.g. no one today can hope to launch a web based email service to compete with GMail.

The right thing to do, to actually benefit users, would've been to integrate with Google services and allow them to be defaults, instead of locking people into Apple platform services.

Agreed.

In terms of profits, Apple wins.

In terms of services like you are saying, Google will never be defeated by Apple.

Apple Maps can be go multi-platform and nobody will care like wheb it first appeared on iOS6. People want their Google Maps. Search, Maps, GMail, Android in volume, Google Now, YouTube, Google is KING. People buy iPhones but still use Google services.

If Apple was a car manufacturer, Google would own the roads.

I just wish Google can flip a bird to Apple and make all their services Android-exclusive.

 

[Technarchy]

What exactly do you mean by "beat" anyway?

I'd like to know what that is defined as too.

And Apple doesn't have to "beat" anyone. Apple just needs to make products consumers want. Everything else is largely meaningless as long as there are alternatives for purchasing.

 

[I7guy]

Agreed.

In terms of profits, Apple wins.

In terms of services like you are saying, Google will never be defeated by Apple.

Apple Maps can be go multi-platform and nobody will care like wheb it first appeared on iOS6. People want their Google Maps. Search, Maps, GMail, Android in volume, Google Now, YouTube, Google is KING. People buy iPhones but still use Google services.

If Apple was a car manufacturer, Google would own the roads.

I just wish Google can flip a bird to Apple and make all their services Android-exclusive.

Nonsense. First not everybody uses gmail. I use gmail, but also outlook.com and yahoo. Second, Google would lose a bundle cutting off iOS. Third, not eveybody uses google maps. Google uses navteq, which many other nav companies use as well. There's a lot of interdependency on various companies. Personally I rarely use google maps. Locally I find Apple maps better.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

People buy iPhones but still use Google services.

I just wish Google can flip a bird to Apple and make all their services Android-exclusive.

Why would you wish that? It would create a monopoly in the market place and force a lot of people onto Android. Competition is good and having apps that are available across platform in many cases is a good thing. You seem to forget Google and Apple have a good relationship even if they are competitors in other aspects. A good percentage of Google services used on flagship devices come from iOS users too. I can't see them not supporting iDevices any time soon and I hope that never happens.

 

[placidity44]

This is an absolute joke...apple takes 89% total of smartphone profits while android manufacturers all put together make 11%. Don't believe me you can look it up. That includes samsung, lg, htc, sony, google, motorola, etc. Apple controls the hardware and software so obviously they're not going to have the market share that android does and who cares? iOS has approximately 47 percent market share in the U.S and Android has approximately 78 percent worldwide. Android is big in emerging markets. I'm not talking the high end android handsets i'm talking dirt cheap handsets because they're good enough for a lot of people. Apple iPhones and high end android devices are premium devices. Apple doesn't give a hoot about market share they just care about making the best phones they know how to...and with the market share they have they have a ton of wiggle room to win over android/windows phone/blackberry/dumb phone consumers. Apple just makes great products and lets the money follow. If you go after money and cut costs with your products the products aren't as good lessening the consumers who want it therefore lowering your revenue on your products. That's apple's mindset. Apple has a market cap currently of 740.8 billion and google has 364.8 billion. That's 2 times as much plus 12B extra. With Q4 2014 Apple surpassed 200 billion dollars in pure cash reserves sitting in overseas banks while google is estimated to hit 100 billion in reserves by the end of 2016. Apple has an extreme lead and they still feel like the underdog firing on all cylinders. Apple is a mobile devices company focusing on a fewer markets and making what they believe to be the best products in those categories. Google is hell bent on world domination and has more markets and initiatives than you or I can count with the google x lab. Completely different philosophies and mindsets. Apple's going to make the best products they know how and are able and drown out the noise. They'll continue to do so if places are swapped. Google is great for apple and vice versa. Without competition it is us consumers who lose out. I don't want either company absolutely dominant stagnating innovation. We're very fortunate as consumers to have the competition we do. Eric Schmidt google's former CEO was on Apple's board of directors at the time of the iPhone roadmap and launch. Clearly infringed on the iPhone's interface and numerous other things. The 2006 google android phone originated for t-mobile didn't even have a touch screen. Google and Schmidt absolutely screwed over Apple and Jobs. I agree with him 100%. I would have continued litigation and sued them for everything...hopefully at least getting a huge chunk of Androids mediocre 11% profits. Apple figured they're here to stay and that likely wasn't going to happen so they ended litigation as it was a distraction. Sure Apple's taken a few features from Android and Android fanboys like to complain...they have every right to. The whole Android operating system wouldn't have been here if it weren't for the iPhone.

 

[MRU]

@placidity44 paragraphs make walls of text far less impenetrable

 

[khha4113]

This is an absolute joke...apple takes 89% total of smartphone profits while android manufacturers all put together make 11%. Don't believe me you can look it up. That includes samsung, lg, htc, sony, google, motorola, etc. Apple controls the hardware and software so obviously they're not going to have the market share that android does and who cares? iOS has approximately 47 percent market share in the U.S and Android has approximately 78 percent worldwide. Android is big in emerging markets. I'm not talking the high end android handsets i'm talking dirt cheap handsets because they're good enough for a lot of people. Apple iPhones and high end android devices are premium devices. Apple doesn't give a hoot about market share they just care about making the best phones they know how to...and with the market share they have they have a ton of wiggle room to win over android/windows phone/blackberry/dumb phone consumers. Apple just makes great products and lets the money follow. If you go after money and cut costs with your products the products aren't as good lessening the consumers who want it therefore lowering your revenue on your products. That's apple's mindset. Apple has a market cap currently of 740.8 billion and google has 364.8 billion. That's 2 times as much plus 12B extra. With Q4 2014 Apple surpassed 200 billion dollars in pure cash reserves sitting in overseas banks while google is estimated to hit 100 billion in reserves by the end of 2016. Apple has an extreme lead and they still feel like the underdog firing on all cylinders. Apple is a mobile devices company focusing on a fewer markets and making what they believe to be the best products in those categories. Google is hell bent on world domination and has more markets and initiatives than you or I can count with the google x lab. Completely different philosophies and mindsets. Apple's going to make the best products they know how and are able and drown out the noise. They'll continue to do so if places are swapped. Google is great for apple and vice versa. Without competition it is us consumers who lose out. I don't want either company absolutely dominant stagnating innovation. We're very fortunate as consumers to have the competition we do. Eric Schmidt google's former CEO was on Apple's board of directors at the time of the iPhone roadmap and launch. Clearly infringed on the iPhone's interface and numerous other things. The 2006 google android phone originated for t-mobile didn't even have a touch screen. Google and Schmidt absolutely screwed over Apple and Jobs. I agree with him 100%. I would have continued litigation and sued them for everything...hopefully at least getting a huge chunk of Androids mediocre 11% profits. Apple figured they're here to stay and that likely wasn't going to happen so they ended litigation as it was a distraction. Sure Apple's taken a few features from Android and Android fanboys like to complain...they have every right to. The whole Android operating system wouldn't have been here if it weren't for the iPhone.

He's talking about software services not "hardwares sale" which I believe Apple is no where close to 89% profit!

 

[Oletros]

Eric Schmidt google's former CEO was on Apple's board of directors at the time of the iPhone roadmap and launch. Clearly infringed on the iPhone's interface and numerous other things.

2015 and still with this fantasy about Schmidt stealing from Apple.

And then you call others fanboys

By the way, Jobs never accused Schmidt and never talked about him screwing. In fact, it was Jobs the one that invited him to the board after Google bought Android.

 

[placidity44]

He's talking about software services not "hardwares sale" which I believe Apple is no where close to 89% profit!

No I was clearly talking about hardware and software services. 89 percent profit. Can search it. This is for Q4 2014. Yes Schmidt was on the board from 2006-09 but Jobs stated he felt betrayed and that he was going to spend every last cent Apple had to make it right. Thermonuclear was the term. As far as i'm concerned Schmidt and google screwed Apple over to get a foothold in the market...can't blame them. If I was google I would've done the exact same thing.