APPLE...Please lower the price of the watch to at least $200 dollars..Who here thinks

[leenak]

Why does the actual price of a watch matter to you?

Is not how it works, and how it looks the two only criteria that are important for a watch, or is there something about you personally that makes you feel the need to wear something of a certain financial value to make you feel happier about yourself as a person ?

Because it is like you go to an event... and then a women with a wedding ring says 'look at that fool wearing a watch that obviously cost less than my wedding ring, how dare he have the audacity to even be in my presence'.

As a professional married to a professional, I can say that most people I know don't care about watches. I don't know anyone that does the watch thing personally other than one young guy I work with (he is in his 20s and sounds like a few of his friends like watches). Like you may think that people care about your watch but they don't, they really don't.

 

[Piggie]

Because it is like you go to an event... and then a women with a wedding ring says 'look at that fool wearing a watch that obviously cost less than my wedding ring, how dare he have the audacity to even be in my presence'.

As a professional married to a professional, I can say that most people I know don't care about watches. I don't know anyone that does the watch thing personally other than one young guy I work with (he is in his 20s and sounds like a few of his friends like watches). Like you may think that people care about your watch but they don't, they really don't.

Indeed, that's why I was puzzled about "firewood" posting a few posts back.

As though it was the actual cost of the device which was the overriding factor.

I know wearing something expensive or with a badge/name on it, does make some people feel better about themselves as a person.

Perhaps they think others will view them in a better way, if they have such things on them?

 

[firewood]

Why does the actual price of a watch matter to you?

Is not how it works, and how it looks the two only criteria that are important for a watch, or is there something about you personally that makes you feel the need to wear something of a certain financial value to make you feel happier about yourself as a person ?

Yes there are women who wear fake jewelry and carry knock off handbags (etc.). But the ones who can afford it and attend secure social events don't bother. Same with men and watches.

 

[Bane-Thunder]

I am a big watch enthusiast and own dozens and for me I would not invest more than £150 in a smart watch that I thought could end up being redundant within 3 years. None of my other watches will go out of date yet the iWatch will likely be replaced with a better version within a year. On that note I would rather keep my submariner as my daily driver knowing it is a 'timeless' classic. Sorry Apple

Outdated? I don't get it, why would anyone need to update the watch? Just like my iPad, i bought an iPad air as my first ever iPad and I have no intentions to ever upgrade it. Its just not an item that needs regular updating like a phone (which i update every 2 years an not yearly)

If i were to get an Apple Watch it would be the Edition version as I think that gold version is beautiful. But I would not update it at all and if i did it would probably be many many models later, when the watch on my wrist starts looking 'worn and torn'

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Outdated? I don't get it, why would anyone need to update the watch? Just like my iPad, i bought an iPad air as my first ever iPad and I have no intentions to ever upgrade it. Its just not an item that needs regular updating like a phone (which i update every 2 years an not yearly)



If i were to get an Apple Watch it would be the Edition version as I think that gold version is beautiful. But I would not update it at all and if i did it would probably be many many models later, when the watch on my wrist starts looking 'worn and torn'

If iPhones take on new features in the coming years and the watch no longer supports them, I can see more than one watch ever being produced. iPads are usually good for 3 to 4 years from experience. If Apple have no interest in releasing watches every year and this becomes a watch with a 10 year life span, it might be more attractive for me. Personally I think this will be a multi product franchise. The design is very nice, I just doubt I will ever own one.

 

[Just1n12]

I understand but it's not a very well made watch...Too bulky and has too many defects but yes it's a first gen. But when you think of it. There's too many disadvantages like the battery and screen and all sorts of problems.
Like a corvette will cost less than a Lamborghini but both are fasts cars but one of them has more features.
So if Apple watch cost more it should have more features than a Google Watch

Have you even seen it in person and tried it? How do you know its bulky and has too many defects?

 

[leenak]

Yes there are women who wear fake jewelry and carry knock off handbags (etc.). But the ones who can afford it and attend secure social events don't bother. Same with men and watches.

So you see no difference from an inexpensive watch that doesn't try to be some other watch brand and fake jewelry and knock off bags? I've known some very rich women to wear costume jewelry but the people that I know buy (real) designer handbags, tend to be ones that actually have less money for it.

I'm not into designer handbags myself, at least not ones that that advertise the company that you bought it from but I do like jewelry and as someone with a gold allergy and distaste for gold color, all my jewelry is either silver or platinum with a few white gold pieces before I discovered my allergy. Silver is nice, not fake and even can cost into the thousands but you can find some stuff that is very nice for well less than a few hundred And trust me, women are not looking at your watch and trying to compare it to their jewelry.

 

[Piggie]

as someone with a gold allergy and distaste for gold color.

Allergic to Nickel?

http://www.jewelry-secrets.com/Meta...d-Nickel/Gold-Allergies-Allergic-To-Gold.html

"Just about everyone that says they are Allergic to Gold are not Allergic to Gold, but are actually Allergic to the Nickel in the Gold! Allergies to Nickel is known as Dermatitus or Eczema."

 

[leenak]

Allergic to Nickel?

http://www.jewelry-secrets.com/Meta...d-Nickel/Gold-Allergies-Allergic-To-Gold.html

"Just about everyone that says they are Allergic to Gold are not Allergic to Gold, but are actually Allergic to the Nickel in the Gold! Allergies to Nickel is known as Dermatitus or Eczema."

Yes, its just easier to not buy white gold than try to get someone to verify it doesn't have nickel in it. I've read that european gold doesn't have the same issue because they use silver to cut the gold rather than nickel.

 

[Piggie]

Yes, its just easier to not buy white gold than try to get someone to verify it doesn't have nickel in it. I've read that european gold doesn't have the same issue because they use silver to cut the gold rather than nickel.

Indeed as it talked about here:

http://www.bja.org.uk/en/consumer/consumer-help-advice/precious-metal-and-nickel.cfm

Nickel in Jewellery
" In the UK, jewellers have to be aware of their obligations under the Dangerous Substances and Preparations (Nickel) (Safety) Regulations 2005 which is designed to prevent people becoming sensitised to nickel, which can lead to allergic contact dermatitis.

Because trace elements of nickel can be found in many precious jewellery alloys and particularly in costume jewellery, jewellers have to be confident that when they are designed to be worn in direct and prolonged contact with the skin, eg a ring, necklace, bracelet, watchback or parts of earrings (but not a brooch) any nickel which is released from an item of jewellery is within permitted levels. For piercing post assemblies, this release level is a maximum of .2 micrograms per square cm per week. For other products (ie not piercings) it is a maximum of .5 micrograms per square cm per week. The tests are carried out under controlled conditions in a commercial testing laboratory or in certain assay offices."

No news from Apple on this front?

I would presume, as they have made great play about their special hard mix of Gold for the edition models. Apple will be making sure they are Nickel free for the very reason you are speaking about.

I wonder why they have not mentioned this on their web site, as it would be a big plus point for them to state they don't have this issue on their watches.

It's good to promote positive aspects.

Do Apple say anything about this anywhere?

 

[dejo]

Indeed as it talked about here:

Where is "here"?

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Where is "here"?

The blue text that Piggie quoted.

 

[dejo]

The blue text that Piggie quoted.

Yeah, where does that blue text come from? As a courtesy, it should use

tags and provide a link to the source.

 

[Piggie]

Forgot to include the link.

Thanks for reminding me

Have edited in the link.
Also here, if you wish to read the whole piece:

http://www.bja.org.uk/en/consumer/consumer-help-advice/precious-metal-and-nickel.cfm

 

[MICHAELSD]

Apple Watch will eventually start at $299, then maybe bottom out at $249.

 

[Mak47]

I understand but it's not a very well made watch...Too bulky and has too many defects but yes it's a first gen. But when you think of it. There's too many disadvantages like the battery and screen and all sorts of problems.
Like a corvette will cost less than a Lamborghini but both are fasts cars but one of them has more features.
So if Apple watch cost more it should have more features than a Google Watch

First, I don't entirely disagree, the price point feels a little high at the entry level. However, I anticipate that coming down with subsequent generations. Most new apple product lines start very high and eventually come down.

As for the rest of your statements...welll....

First of all, the product hasn't been released yet. You can't make assumptions about defects, problems or workmanship on a product that you haven't even seen--let alone used. On top of that, from what I've seen, it does have more features than a Google watch. Have you used a Google watch? They're useless. This product at least attempts to do something more than your iPhone already does.

I think the product looks good, it sounds like it's feature packed and Apple doesn't make junk, so $350 isn't crazy. I still wouldn't be surprised if in one or two generations we see an entry level watch at $199. They just have to get the production capabilities to scale before that can be possible.

 

[loon3y]

knowing apple it'll probably only cost $100 to make. and rake in all the profits.



Btw 350 is a lot if this first iwatch is going to obsolete in 2 years. possibly even just one.

you know how it goes. but then again apple products do hold value even if they are old.

 

[bbeagle]

knowing apple it'll probably only cost $100 to make. and rake in all the profits.

You DO know that every company does the same thing?

Watch 'Shark Tank' someday. Someone makes something for $1, sells it to the stores for $3, then stores sell it for $6.99

I don't know where people get the idea that it's possible for the watch to be made for $300, then sold for $350. If any business did that, they would be out of business very quickly.

 

[loon3y]

You DO know that every company does the same thing?

Watch 'Shark Tank' someday. Someone makes something for $1, sells it to the stores for $3, then stores sell it for $6.99

I don't know where people get the idea that it's possible for the watch to be made for $300, then sold for $350. If any business did that, they would be out of business very quickly.

You DO know apple has the highest profit margins of all smart phones right?


their phone cost around 100-150 dollars to make and sell it for 600-700 dollars for the base model.



they're in the right to do so. but anything with that of a huge profit margin is pretty astonishing.

Of course i know, I'm in the software business for manufacturers. Cost of raw materials to be made in the factory, wholesale price to department, retail or boutique stores, and then the end consumer price.


nothing i've seen has hit profit margins like apple did, and im sure this 1st generation will cost a bit more to make since its the 1st generations, but there SHOULD be a price break in the 2nd and 3rd generation iWatches, considering that the vendors know what materials to get and the factories know what to do.

again this isn't even a stand alone device which was perceived as. $350 dollars for something thats going to be obsolete with the 2nd or 3rd generation iwatches?

i rather just wait. but thank you for you're explanation of profit margins. i guess nobody knew this

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

their phone cost around 100-150 dollars to make and sell it for 600-700 dollars for the base model.

It actually begins at around $200 for the base model.

 

[loon3y]

It actually begins at around $200 for the base model.

oh forgive me, regardless their profit margins are still higher then all android phones combined.

 

[bbeagle]

You DO know apple has the highest profit margins of all smart phones right?


their phone cost around 100-150 dollars to make and sell it for 600-700 dollars for the base model.

All the other quality smartphones that compete with Apple (like Galaxy S5, LG G3, etc.) all have similar prices to Apple.

Apple also makes the OS, which other vendors don't do. And Apple doesn't use advertising to pay for the OS, they need sales to pay for the OS.

but there SHOULD be a price break in the 2nd and 3rd generation iWatches, considering that the vendors know what materials to get and the factories know what to do.

Why? Companies try to make as much money as they can. They only give price breaks if their sales are down. Apple never has that issue. I bet every other smart phone manufacturer WOULD raise prices if they could. But they can't give the same quality Apple does, or they could.

 

[loon3y]

All the other quality smartphones that compete with Apple (like Galaxy S5, LG G3, etc.) all have similar prices to Apple.

Apple also makes the OS, which other vendors don't do. And Apple doesn't use advertising to pay for the OS, they need sales to pay for the OS.



Why? Companies try to make as much money as they can. They only give price breaks if their sales are down. Apple never has that issue. I bet every other smart phone manufacturer WOULD raise prices if they could. But they can't give the same quality Apple does, or they could.

Similar? Apple smart phones are at least 200 more then android phones. LOL they are not the same prices.


Which is why i see a bunch of people in 2nd and 3rd world countries either on androids or the older iPhone models. Other vendors don't make their own OS?




Why would they make it cheaper? because the cost would be cheaper, and if they make the base model cheaper they'll sell more. They'll have a bigger market for the iWatches. Haven't i told you? the 2nd generations WILL be at a cheaper cost then right now, because vendors will have the right materials and factories will have less defects in their products. IF it blows up.

People generally know the tech market now, that 1st generation isn't going to be worth $350 dollars. Its not even a stand alone product, which I'm sure the 2nd and 3rd generation will be.


You're not buying a watch, you're buying a tech product that IS going to be obsolete come the next generation.

yeah for the Watch series and link bracelet if its going to be 500 or 500+, I'm not going to get it, especially with what i mentioned above. To each their own but theres going to be a bunch of dudes like me. Rather spend $500 dollars on a date at 3 star michelin restaurant then a tech product thats going to be obsolete within a year. If it was $200 i wouldn't mind, but half a grand? Im waiting for the 2nd or 3rd generation.

That 1st generation is basically just a display you're paying $350 for the base model, and lol who's gonna WANT the base model.


Considering theres already android smart watches with their own stand alone OS. Im certain the 2nd and 3rd generation will have their own stand alone OS.

But of course this is expected, its apple.

 

[cmChimera]

Similar? Apple smart phones are at least 200 more then android phones. LOL they are not the same prices.

I went to At&t's website and they sell the Galaxy S5 and the iPhone 6 at the same price.

 

[bbeagle]

To each their own but theres going to be a bunch of dudes like me. Rather spend $500 dollars on a date at 3 star michelin restaurant then a tech product thats going to be obsolete within a year.

$500 on a date? Not worth it EVER. If you're trying to impress your date by a ONE night expense of $500, it will backfire. She will expect that to be the norm, and expect it every night. Spend $0 (and $50 on occasion) on a date, and you'll weed out the gold diggers, and get real down-to-earth nice women.

And I'll have a watch for a year AND an amazing date AND money to spare, while you'll have just that overly expensive date that cost the restaurant $50 in food that they charged you $500. But you'll go on about Apple overcharging people.... I love how people's priorities are so different.