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Julien

macrumors G4
Jun 30, 2007
11,847
5,441
Atlanta
...Spend $0...on a date....

I spend more than $0 just sitting at my Mac. How can you go anywhere and do anything on a date for $0? Walk to the park and rummage through the garbage cans for a bite to eat, and drink out of the water fountain. That will definitely make an impression. :eek:

At least you can use your :apple:Watch for the $0 walking directions.:D
 

bbeagle

macrumors 68040
Oct 19, 2010
3,553
3,007
Buffalo, NY
I spend more than $0 just sitting at my Mac. How can you go anywhere and do anything on a date for $0? Walk to the park and rummage through the garbage cans for a bite to eat, and drink out of the water fountain. That will definitely make an impression. :eek:

At least you can use your :apple:Watch for the $0 walking directions.:D

Go for a bike ride or a hike, visit a zoo/museum on it's 'free days', go watch a college sporting event (most are free), a college play or poetry reciting (you don't even have to go to those colleges - you can be 30 or 40 - just show up), have a picnic (less than $5), there are many free movie events, free outdoor concerts, watch a parade, visit a landmark that's free (like Niagara Falls), visit state parks, watch the ocean/lake, climb up a lighthouse, collect seashells/rocks/leaves, bird watch, etc. etc. etc.

A dinner and a movie is not all that is possible.
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
Makes no difference in my mind. A watch with a one day battery life is simly laughable in my opinion.
 

leenak

macrumors 68020
Mar 10, 2011
2,416
52
As a woman, I rather a tech product than a $500 date :) Take me out to Ethiopian and buy me something techy ;)
 

zone23

macrumors 68000
May 10, 2012
1,986
793
I always tell people you can start high and always go lower but you can't start low and go higher. This isn't always the rule (look at gas) but in merchandise it seems like the case. I'm sure it will start at $349.99 then maybe drop or be on sale for $299.99. A decent watch can easily run you $300 if you don't buy it at Wal-Mart. Just a reminder this is Apple we always pay a premium.
 

loon3y

macrumors 65816
Oct 21, 2011
1,235
126
$500 on a date? Not worth it EVER. If you're trying to impress your date by a ONE night expense of $500, it will backfire. She will expect that to be the norm, and expect it every night. Spend $0 (and $50 on occasion) on a date, and you'll weed out the gold diggers, and get real down-to-earth nice women.

And I'll have a watch for a year AND an amazing date AND money to spare, while you'll have just that overly expensive date that cost the restaurant $50 in food that they charged you $500. But you'll go on about Apple overcharging people.... I love how people's priorities are so different.


50 on occasion? lol what is that couple of fast food meals and a bottle of jameson from the store?

man if you get women spending 0 Dollars, than all to you my friend. But what do you say when you're at said college game and she wants a hot dog, popcorn? nachos? a drink? Just wait till we get to the homeless shelter?
 
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urda

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Jun 15, 2010
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25
San Francisco Bay Area
$350 is too darn expensive for a smartwatch?
When an iPad Mini sells for LESS
Why should a watch with little hours of battery and feature be sold for so high? Does Apple think it's fair to pretend to be like Starbucks or a company for the very rich? I understand profits and all but I mean the iPad Mini sells for less and it cost much more than to make such a tiny watch with a tiny LCD screen with no water protection or anything and bulky design too.
IF
THE
APPLE
WATCH
WAS
AT
MOST
$200
It would be a very fair deal. I hope Apple sees this. I am only criticizing it's cons because the high price. It's a great 1st gen watch and it would get better in the future but the most basic shouldn't cost that much. I can understand if it had premium quality like the sapphire and such but the basic should cost at the least $150-$200 :(

Premium product means premium price. Sorry kiddo, but if you can't meet the entry point we're not going to lower the bar for you.
 

bbeagle

macrumors 68040
Oct 19, 2010
3,553
3,007
Buffalo, NY
A 3 star Michelin restaurant is an experience, 3 star rating means its worth traveling to another country to visit that restaurant. Obviously you never heard of a 3 star michelin restaurant. that food is worth the money.

NO meal is worth $500.

I've never been at a 3 star michelin restaurant, but I've been to dozens of $200+ meal restaurants, and none were worth it to me. A few times, we even grabbed a pizza on the way home as we were starving because the food was so bad (or such little portions).

Some people are food aficionados, some are gadget aficionados. I'm the latter - I'd rather spend $200 on a junk gadget I use for a week and throw away than a $200 meal.

dude how old are you? I'm not saying money is everything or that you can't have happiness or love without it but, 0 dollars and 50 on occasion??? dude you won't get any woman like that. 50 on occasion? lol what is that couple of fast food meals and a bottle of jameson from the store?

Age has nothing to do with saving money.

I had plenty of 'cheap' dates in my youth. Rarely a complaint - usually a 'Wow! I'm impressed. I love this more than dinner and a movie' and repeat dates/relationships.

I'm now married. $50 gets a steak and lobster meal for 2 prepared at home. Maybe because I have kids I'm biased too - it's no fun going out to fancy restaurants with kids, and a babysitter adds another $50 to the mix.
 

bbeagle

macrumors 68040
Oct 19, 2010
3,553
3,007
Buffalo, NY
man if you get women spending 0 Dollars, than all to you my friend. But what do you say when you're at said college game and she wants a hot dog, popcorn? nachos? a drink? Just wait till we get to the homeless shelter?

Doesn't SHE have any money? Why is the GUY paying for everything in your scenario?

Most of my dates were either the girl asking ME out, or mutual. So, maybe that's part of it as well. And if a girl expected me to pay for everything, that's not the girl for me. I'm gone.

Wow. This is getting off-topic! :)
 

loon3y

macrumors 65816
Oct 21, 2011
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Doesn't SHE have any money? Why is the GUY paying for everything in your scenario?

Most of my dates were either the girl asking ME out, or mutual. So, maybe that's part of it as well. And if a girl expected me to pay for everything, that's not the girl for me. I'm gone.

Wow. This is getting off-topic! :)



i love gadgets too, but it seems like if i spend money on something which will be obsolete i just feel like it was a bad investment.

when i get a new macbook or iPad i try to get the one that will last a while. or getting the right video card for the my desktop that will give me more bang for the bucks. i was having a little tunnel vision in perspective of buying gadgets. Some people are gadget fanatics and they don't mind spending 200 dollars on something they dont intend to use long term.


like i don't mind spending $200 on food. but theres no "right" time to buy the food, you can get that anytime you want, without worrying like gadgets. i just feel like crap getting something and it being obsolete the next year. which is the same thing i feel like it'll be with for the iWatch.

but i never regretted spending money on food. its not something i do often either. Once a year i go to a nice restaurant where i spend over $100+.


I don't always pay, especially its with girls that i've been on dates before. but i certainly do offer. but its not like if we're going to get some soda and nachos/hot dogs I'm gonna ask her to pay half of it.

its always to good to go off topic! sometimes!
 

technosix

macrumors 6502a
Jan 13, 2015
929
13
West Coast USA
I'm surprised Apple isn't charging $500 for its entry level watch. Considering their other iOS devices and that Apples customer base can easily afford it, $350 does seem too low. Perhaps they plan to make up for this rock bottom price by selling more of the higher priced models.

Either way it should be popular for those who want a watch that can track them and log personal data about their health as they run or walk through their day. It's a geeks dream. :)
 

nobodyjustwalks

macrumors regular
Jan 23, 2013
217
3
Yeah, no. Apple should not charge less for this.



How much do the materials cost?

How much does assembly cost?

How much does Research and Development cost?

How much does software development cost?

How much does Apple need to spend redesigning stores to properly meet the needs of potential Watch customers, and serve those who do buy it?

How much value will the product add to people's lives?

How much is the experience WORTH?



Apple's not just selling you a hunk of metal and glass with an Apple Watch. They're not even just selling you a wrist-bound computer. They're selling you years of hard work by multiple entire devisions of their company, hard work that will continue for years to come, all to create an experience that should enhance your life.



So Apple should charge whatever they feel that is worth.


Well said!

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No.

That's like saying you want sports cars to be cheaper because a minivan can seat more than two people.

Learn to appreciate craftsmanship, engineering, style, design.


Agreed 100%
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
9,182
4,112
I'm surprised Apple isn't charging $500 for its entry level watch. Considering their other iOS devices and that Apples customer base can easily afford it, $350 does seem too low. Perhaps they plan to make up for this rock bottom price by selling more of the higher priced models.

Either way it should be popular for those who want a watch that can track them and log personal data about their health as they run or walk through their day. It's a geeks dream. :)

The problem it has right now, is the watch is honestly only half a product.

In years to come it will be a full product, but not right yet.

We all know what the current model is, and even THE most loyal Apple fan must admit, that it's still quite a held back product perhaps for a variety of reasons.

I'm sure it will come into it's own more in the future, but Apple has to be realistic about it right now.

And that goes for other brands also.

Not so much for the dedicated sports/health watches as they have a strong focus and are built to do a good job for their market.

Apple's watch is, dare I say it. Jack of all trades, Master of none.

I don't suspect even Apple really knows yet, they just have to get this general purpose device out there, probably if we are honest, before the tech is really ready and see how it goes, then in time, how people use it, who is interested, where the faults are will become apparent to everyone.

I suspect in a few years time, Apples watch will be a much more focussed and finished product.

No one really knows yet.
 

617aircav

Suspended
Jul 2, 2012
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$350 is too darn expensive for a smartwatch?

When an iPad Mini sells for LESS

Why should a watch with little hours of battery and feature be sold for so high? Does Apple think it's fair to pretend to be like Starbucks or a company for the very rich? I understand profits and all but I mean the iPad Mini sells for less and it cost much more than to make such a tiny watch with a tiny LCD screen with no water protection or anything and bulky design too.

IF

THE

APPLE

WATCH

WAS

AT

MOST

$200

It would be a very fair deal. I hope Apple sees this. I am only criticizing it's cons because the high price. It's a great 1st gen watch and it would get better in the future but the most basic shouldn't cost that much. I can understand if it had premium quality like the sapphire and such but the basic should cost at the least $150-$200 :(


lol. You are only saying how much you would pay and not what it should cost.
 

technosix

macrumors 6502a
Jan 13, 2015
929
13
West Coast USA
The problem it has right now, is the watch is honestly only half a product.

In years to come it will be a full product, but not right yet.

We all know what the current model is, and even THE most loyal Apple fan must admit, that it's still quite a held back product perhaps for a variety of reasons.

I'm sure it will come into it's own more in the future, but Apple has to be realistic about it right now.

And that goes for other brands also.

Not so much for the dedicated sports/health watches as they have a strong focus and are built to do a good job for their market.

Apple's watch is, dare I say it. Jack of all trades, Master of none.

I don't suspect even Apple really knows yet, they just have to get this general purpose device out there, probably if we are honest, before the tech is really ready and see how it goes, then in time, how people use it, who is interested, where the faults are will become apparent to everyone.

I suspect in a few years time, Apples watch will be a much more focussed and finished product.

No one really knows yet.

I think you have an excellent perspective on Apples watch. I agree with every point you've touched on. In fact I'm sitting back, taking a wait and see position on this new product myself.

As a extremely active fit person with a full compliment of bp/hr/O2 monitoring gear for my extended workouts, I have no need for any of the watches functions presently.

It'll be interesting to see the second generation Apple watch and what improvements Apple makes. A very long time Apple customer, experience over the years reveals Apple always uses the first generation to learn from.
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
9,182
4,112
I think you have an excellent perspective on Apples watch. I agree with every point you've touched on. In fact I'm sitting back, taking a wait and see position on this new product myself.

As a extremely active fit person with a full compliment of bp/hr/O2 monitoring gear for my extended workouts, I have no need for any of the watches functions presently.

It'll be interesting to see the second generation Apple watch and what improvements Apple makes. A very long time Apple customer, experience over the years reveals Apple always uses the first generation to learn from.

For me, and I'm sure many if they are honest, this is a bit like being told you are going on holiday, but not told where.

So, just to be safe you take everything, swim wear, fur coat, ski's, rock climbing boots, cowboy hat, kitchen sink!

Honestly, and this is NOT a criticism, it feels like Apple does not really know, so they've made a product, that's currently just semi general purpose, does, potentially a bit of everything quite well.

It won't do sports as well as something dedicated to sports, it probably won't do health as well as a product dedicated to health, and so it goes on.

It's not a bad idea, as you are covering all bases.

Apple can do this now, see how the market reacts, and then I'm sure will focus and adjust the later models in areas that it's deemed to be really wanted by customers for, and those aspects no one really every used, will fade away.

As I said, it will in years to come gain focus.

That's no bad thing, but I think we need to be honest about this.

It will change, it will get better. Apple will learn what things is does not no one wants and ends up being a non used gimmick (touch your lovers heartbeats?) and what areas people use all the time and want made better.

That's no reason not to buy it of course, just to enjoy the ride of the product learning curve.

I could even see this type of product not getting very far.
Instead we see more speciality watches for various needs, all linked in some way, but not all total general purpose ones as many people won't want an all singing all dancing smart watch.

They may want something small, something pretty but only slightly smart :)
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
9,182
4,112
Haha, agreed.

It's pretty conceited of you to assume that everyone that disagrees with you (which there are plenty that do) are not being honest with themselves.

Stop it.

Fair point, I accept we all have differing views :)

Some are more prone to OMG it's from Apple it's new MUST HAVE MUST HAVE so strongly that any though process can shoot right out the window :)

More a kids thing I know, which most grow out of :)

Seeing the dumb things many adults do these days or do to themselves, I understand this is not JUST kids :)

Honestly I REALLY want Smart Watches as a product category to take off, and we have to start somewhere, so may as well be here :)

For myself, even if battery life was solved, and let's say computing power was solved.
We are still left with the 1 aspect I can't see an answer to yet. Screen Size being usable.

Only answer to that is to have some other way to see the image, and we are not there yet.
 

Night Spring

macrumors G5
Jul 17, 2008
14,859
8,039
That's no reason not to buy it of course, just to enjoy the ride of the product learning curve.

Yup, that's exactly why I'm getting it. And for me, $350 feels about right to pay for an experimental hobby gadget.

It's certainly a lot cheaper than what people paid to be a Google Glass Explorer.

I also remember when the first home computers started coming out. There was no Word, no Excel, no Photoshop. You brought this box with monitor and keyboard home, flipped on the switch, and a cursor appeared on screen and blinked at you, and it was like "What do you do now?"

Wearable computing will eventually grow up and be useful -- but right now, it's still at the "What now?" stage.
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
9,182
4,112
Yup, that's exactly why I'm getting it. And for me, $350 feels about right to pay for an experimental hobby gadget.

It's certainly a lot cheaper than what people paid to be a Google Glass Explorer.

I also remember when the first home computers started coming out. There was no Word, no Excel, no Photoshop. You brought this box with monitor and keyboard home, flipped on the switch, and a cursor appeared on screen and blinked at you, and it was like "What do you do now?"

Wearable computing will eventually grow up and be useful -- but right now, it's still at the "What now?" stage.

Oh yes, been there done that.
I hope you enjoy the ride :)

Honestly the real reason why I won't buy something like this, is honestly for 1 simple reason, and it's the reason I've not bought many other things I'd like.
I don't have any use for it.
Honestly.

It would be like me buying a laptop, and I have had one years ago.

I have more than one PC at home, I have a PC at work, with others I could use if I wanted. I don't commute far, and if I go out for the day I actually enjoy being away from gadgets :)

That does not mean, I don't love tech, love the latest toys, and there are some things I do buy and things I want to buy.

But I have learned over the years I have to be honest with myself.
There is a ton of cool toys and gadgets out there I'd like to just play with, but I have no use, and no time or area of my life to use them.
I would play for a week, and end up putting it to one side never to be turned on.
I bought an iPod, played with it for 2 weeks, and that was it. never used it again.
 

cmChimera

macrumors 601
Feb 12, 2010
4,308
3,844
Some are more prone to OMG it's from Apple it's new MUST HAVE MUST HAVE so strongly that any though process can shoot right out the window :)

More a kids thing I know, which most grow out of :)

Seeing the dumb things many adults do these days or do to themselves, I understand this is not JUST kids :)
Who are you talking about? The implication is that you're talking about members of this forum, or me. Either way, the quoted portion seems extremely condescending, but maybe I'm just misinterpreting it.
 

leenak

macrumors 68020
Mar 10, 2011
2,416
52
Fair point, I accept we all have differing views :)

Some are more prone to OMG it's from Apple it's new MUST HAVE MUST HAVE so strongly that any though process can shoot right out the window :)

More a kids thing I know, which most grow out of :)

Seeing the dumb things many adults do these days or do to themselves, I understand this is not JUST kids :)

Honestly I REALLY want Smart Watches as a product category to take off, and we have to start somewhere, so may as well be here :)

For myself, even if battery life was solved, and let's say computing power was solved.
We are still left with the 1 aspect I can't see an answer to yet. Screen Size being usable.

Only answer to that is to have some other way to see the image, and we are not there yet.

Battery life is a problem... as much as many don't want to admit.

For me though, I've enjoyed trying various fitness gadgets. I think there are drawbacks but I like the feedback it provides and someone who is an office worker, it helps make sure that I am getting enough movement. I think if someone has the money and enjoys it, why not? I just hope I don't see people going into debt for such things (same goes for any tech toy).

I'm still kind of on the fence but I imagine I'll buy it.
 
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