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Except for the already in place law against keeping your password secret when asked for it, you should be good yeah 😂

Yeap unlike in the US, under the British terrorist act as an example you MUST unlock any electronic devices or go to jail if you refuse, no if's or buts.
 
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Ohh is that why Reform UK are currently ahead in the polls.
Reform isn't even a democratic political party. Farage was able to appoint himself as leader, simply because he owns the party. Real democratic political parties allow paying members a say in how the party is run. With Reform, they take the money and then allow zero voting rights for members.
 
I’d be willing to accept ‘free speech’ advocates the right to say abusive, hurtful, or racist things to me without fear of imprisonment, just as long as I can punch them in the face for doing so, with the same level of protection.

See? Then everyone’s happy!
No, because one is saying bad words and the other is physically hurting someone. If what you’re saying is offensive to me and I’m allowed to physically injure you and what I’m saying is it offensive to you so you’re allowed to physically injure me then you just legalized violence. People will end up killing each other because they disagree with things. That’s definitely not a good scenario.
 
Reform isn't even a democratic political party. Farage was able to appoint himself as leader, simply because he owns the party. Real democratic political parties allow paying members a say in how the party is run. With Reform, they take the money and then allow zero voting rights for members.
You are obviously not up to date, Reform UK has not been handed to the members.
 
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Once I’ve slept on this and am in a less sweary mood I’m going to write to every newspaper asking why they’re not holding the government to account on this (especially the right-wing press who will use any excuse to attack Labour) as well as the Prime Minister.

Please do, and good for you for sleeping on it first. The case for encryption here seems so clearly the sensible one that there should be no need for exaggeration or hyperbole. I'm glad outlets like the BBC are at least covering it succinctly.
 
Reform isn't even a democratic political party. Farage was able to appoint himself as leader, simply because he owns the party. Real democratic political parties allow paying members a say in how the party is run. With Reform, they take the money and then allow zero voting rights for members.
In a world where we have clown prime ministers, billionaire celebrity presidents, tech moguls wielding chainsaws and the unwashed masses thinking that they actually want to help them, I don’t think that type of thing matters anymore.
 
Reform isn't even a democratic political party. Farage was able to appoint himself as leader, simply because he owns the party. Real democratic political parties allow paying members a say in how the party is run. With Reform, they take the money and then allow zero voting rights for members.
He doesn’t own the party, this week as he has stated repeatedly he would do, he has given ownership to the members now, Farage no longer owns the party.


lol someone disagreeing with actual facts, even though I provided a BBC link! Some people really dislike facts.
 
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This is….disgusting. I knew our politicians are stupid but damn.

To think, if it wasn’t for brexit we’d be enjoying sideloading right now. Bloody brexit. Instead we get this

I genuinely thought the demands were some kind of hoax, guess not 🤦‍♂️

This sucks…
 
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The original request of making a backdoor would have sent the signal they can break their own encryption after years of saying they couldn't.

The only other option left was to remove the protection instead.

Ironic the Govt has spent years bashing China, N.Korea, Russia and others for lack of free speech and spying on citizens. The UK just signed up to join the club.
 
Apple regularly ignores the law. It's incredibly disappointing that they're willing to do so when it harms consumers (all the non-compliance they've done over the years about in-app purchases and alternative app stores) but that they won't ignore the law when doing so would be beneficial to their customers.

IDK. I guess we should think about what this is physically analogous to. Say I operate an underground vault were I store sensitive documents for customers. Only customers have the keys to open their vault. There's nothing illegal about that, is there? If the government wants in, they can get a warrant and try to break into the vault without the key... can't they? There's no requirements that I intentionally make the vault have insecurities to help the government get in?

So it seems to me that the digital equivalent would be that Apple could receive a warrant forcing them to handover the encrypted data, but they'd be under no obligation to help decrypt it.
Apple doesn’t ignore laws; they have lawyers look for loopholes and workarounds. Sometimes they win, sometimes they don't.
 
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Apple is in the right here, I don't understand your complaint.
They're in the right for removing the ability to encrypt our data? No, they are not. It's also massively hypocritical that a company that talks to much about privacy and "no, we won't help you break into the phone" removes encryption and doesn't stand firm on what they claim is a principle.

If it was really a principle, they would've said "no, or we'll leave."

Do you understand my complaint now or do you just disagree with it?
 
Slope? This is a cliff! It’s not surprising because they really need to catch these people posting memes in the UK and encryption makes it harder for the police to gather this evidence.

I’m guessing the only way you can get security now is turn off all iCloud features? In theory, if you have all iCloud turned off, everything should be still encrypted on your phone and not unencrypted on any remote server. Am I correct on this?

I’m not up to date on UK’s politics but something that I know for sure, 100% sure is governments aren’t your friends. All this censorship and protecting criminals is to gaslight their own population make them hate each other. When citizens fight each they don’t have time to fight authoritarianism and corruption. All of these leaders are liars and grifters no matter how charismatic and charming they look.
For the iCloud issue my solution that I did years ago is to turn off all iCloud features and do local backups of my iDevices. I also setup an at home self hosted "cloud" solution for my photos, music, passwords etc. If you’re not comfortable with that you could go with end-to-end encrypted cloud service that isn’t owned by big tech and is outside of UK's jurisdiction.
 
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The final nail in my faith in Apple was seeing Tim Cook front row at the inauguration. They don't care about privacy, they care about money. No chance in hell they'd pull out of the UK if it affected their bottom line.

Also why I know what will happen if any other Gov with any leverage over Apple makes any type of similar request

Gov says: "Jump"
Tim will say: "How high?"
 
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Is there any rational explanation why the UK government is demanding the change?
you mean the country that arrests people for online insults (Germany too btw) wants unfettered access and 24/7 surveillance? There is no change, it's already a law and they're just enforcing it now.

At least when China and Russia arrest you for talking sh*t about their politicians, they let their citizens straight up know it isn't acceptable and they're authoritarians in power.

Every European country that does this tries to use weasel words saying "it's to protect citizens" blah blah blah, which is worse because they're lying about it too. Extremely shameful.
 
can someone explain if the uk can demand apple to share data?
All ADP was is user encryption without apple.
 
This is….disgusting. I knew our politicians are stupid but damn.

To think, if it wasn’t for brexit we’d be enjoying sideloading right now. Bloody brexit. Instead we get this

I genuinely thought the demands were some kind of hoax, guess not 🤦‍♂️

This sucks…

What Brexit? We haven’t had it yet. We do have over 6000 laws and regulations the British government copy and pasted from the EU statutory books into the UK statutory books, promising to change them, eventually.
 
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you mean the country that arrests people for online insults (Germany too btw) wants unfettered access and 24/7 surveillance? There is no change, it's already a law and they're just enforcing it now.

At least when China and Russia arrest you for talking sh*t about their politicians, they let their citizens straight up know it isn't acceptable and they're authoritarians in power.

Every European country that does this tries to use weasel words saying "it's to protect citizens" blah blah blah, which is worse because they're lying about it too. Extremely shameful.

When one looks around in the world, we have to remind ourselves that governments are not some entity handed down by alien gods

They are compromised of people.
Our peers.
Our fellow citizens.

When we see them lying and they get away with it (or worse, are rewarded for it), it's because our citizenry also lies and seems to find it ethically acceptable.

I don't agree with it
I don't like it
But I do understand why it's happening

When we let behavior and/or norms degrade without repercussion or pushback, it becomes the new low point of what's acceptable.
 
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