Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK Amid Government Backdoor Demands

[frozencarbonite]

They are coming for iPhones and Androids in the US.

FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—We Want ‘Lawful Access’ To All Your Encrypted Data

UK forces Apple to provide encrypted data to security agencies—is America next?

www.forbes.com

 

[jseymour]

Couple of corrections for you.

1. The limitations are approximately the same if you do some research.

I did and you don't.

We just don’t have a constitution to define the default situation on which the limitations are built on.

You don't have Constitutional protections for free speech period.

We do have a functional mostly apolitical legal system though unlike your good selves.

That's pretty funny. Pull the other one. It's got bells on

And let’s not forget the first amendment violation when they kick out AP because they said something hurty.

That is not a 1A violation. Nobody's suppressing AP's publishing whatever they wish. That is simply the President choosing whom he'll allow in press briefings.

2. Check out the CLOUD Act (Trump signed in 2018) if you think you’re in a better state than us with RIPA.

Summary: Allows U.S. law enforcement to access data stored overseas by U.S.-based tech companies via warrants; enables bilateral agreements for foreign governments to access U.S.-stored data without U.S. court approval.

What it does not do: Demands backdoor access to all users' data throughout the world.

As for calling out public officials in the US you might want to look at a reputable news source in the last few days and reevaluate that. Hint: private security is not a legal instrument but is used like one.

Setting aside the question of what you regard as a "reputable news source" (I strongly suspect we'd disagree on that point): You're going to have to give me a hint as to what you're getting at.

There isn’t a functioning government in the US at the moment to protect your speech.

No hyperbole there.

Btw: You have the cart before the horse. I don't need government to protect my speech. I need government to not suppress it. That's what most of the U.S. Constitution, and particularly the Bill of Rights is: Not freedoms granted to The People, but restrictions placed upon our government from infringing upon freedoms that are assumed to exist.

The Clue is in the 9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

 

[jseymour]

They are coming for iPhones and Androids in the US.

FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—We Want ‘Lawful Access’ To All Your Encrypted Data

UK forces Apple to provide encrypted data to security agencies—is America next?

www.forbes.com

What the FBI wants—they've been trying to get that for years and years, and what the FBI gets aren't necessarily the same things.

 

[delsoul]

You don't mind the Government "having a sniff" to see what's on your phone?

😦

Holy smokes is that Orwellian

The UK dominated much of the known world. Now, reduced to a a group of small islands that would fit in the corner of other countries and declining from the inside out. With comments, like the one from that chap, it’s no surprise.

 

[match14]

Anyone in the UK with APD turned on been asked to turn it off yet. I haven’t and I have left it on.

 

[delsoul]

Treat every British citizen as suspected terrorists. I’m sure this will work fine logistically and police resource would be best utilised to hunt down “maybe” crimes that may or may not be committed by millions of people every day.

London mayor Khan would say it’s, “part and parcel for living in the city” 😂

 

[BaldiMac]

That is not a 1A violation. Nobody's suppressing AP's publishing whatever they wish. That is simply the President choosing whom he'll allow in press briefings.

There is plenty of case law against government retribution based on viewpoint discrimination.

 

[thefrost]

It was bound to happen.

 

[Fred Zed]

Bunch of …

NCSC, GCHQ, UK Gov’t expunge advice to “use Apple encryption” for Barristers, Solicitors (etc…) — co-incidental with Apple lawsuit against HMG’s demanding a backdoor in the same (HT @DavidDavisMP @PrivacyMatters @zsk)

This is some really embarrassing timing on the Home Office’s (HO’s) part: a few weeks ago when news first broke of the HO’s demand for a backdoor in Apple ADP, I pointed out to MP…

alecmuffett.com

 

[jseymour]

Bunch of …

NCSC, GCHQ, UK Gov’t expunge advice to “use Apple encryption” for Barristers, Solicitors (etc…) — co-incidental with Apple lawsuit against HMG’s demanding a backdoor in the same (HT @DavidDavisMP @PrivacyMatters @zsk)

This is some really embarrassing timing on the Home Office’s (HO’s) part: a few weeks ago when news first broke of the HO’s demand for a backdoor in Apple ADP, I pointed out to MP…

alecmuffett.com

From the end of the article:

So the question in my mind is: is the UK Government attempting to cover-up its previous advocacy of ADP, by censoring this old document? Or does it instead want the UK legal profession to avoid use of ADP and to what end?

I would say "yes," to both, and the reasons are pretty clear: They want complete access to anything and everything at will, because God forbid the citizenry should have any privacy from government snoops. They can't have the old advice conflicting with the new. Embarrassing, what?

Never mind enabling the government snoops will also certainly compromise security and privacy against other evildoers. (And, yes: I used "other" purposely.) That doesn't matter to the authoritarian statists as long as they get what they want, when they want it.

As much as it angers me in principle: In a way I'm happy they're doing this. It's giving privacy advocates here in the U.S. ammunition.

 

[Dutch60]

Many seem so stressed by lack of privacy on the net, but in my opinion it’s an illusion to think of 100% privacy on the internet. Internet and privacy just don’t mix….never and nowhere. If you want privacy…just do not use internet. Simple.

 

[urtules]

Emailed to my local MP yesterday.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Many seem so stressed by lack of privacy on the net, but in my opinion it’s an illusion to think of 100% privacy on the internet. Internet and privacy just don’t mix….never and nowhere. If you want privacy…just do not use internet. Simple.

Extremely true. But that doesn't mean there should just be a free for all. It's off topic, but data havesting, for example, is actively and nefariously grabbing info where it can, putting it into a profile of you, in order to sell you things, scam you, spy on you and all that, even with no expectation of much privacy, they go above and beyond what should be accepted. Same goes for dragnet surveillance and free access for LE of a private citizens documents. Its fair enough, we all know the internet isnt where you should aire all your private things out in the open, but a bought and paid for 'locker' as it were, well - what right do they have for my keys? Arrest me, put me under investigation, sure. But whats private has always been private, the modern world including the internet should be no different. There has never been a god given right to 'have' any information. Thats why we have investigators. Besides, it's all pointless because there are many more shadowy corners of the internet where the actual real criminals gather than icloud or other such stuff. This is much more about population control than it will ever be about stopping terrorism, the drug trade or child abuse.

 

[Delivered]

Countdown to these groups being arrested? That’s the way of the world now. Protest? Complain? To Jail! Any one else want to complain?

 

[southnorth]

Some activity ongoing

Apple’s UK encryption legal challenge heard behind closed doors — The Guardian

Media organisations including the Guardian and the BBC fail to gain entry to proceedings

apple.news

 

[steve333]

Countdown to these groups being arrested? That’s the way of the world now. Protest? Complain? To Jail! Any one else want to complain?

I hope the UK removes Starmer and Rupert Lowe gets elected. I don't see anyone else who would be willing to right the ship

 

[Arctic Moose]

Many seem so stressed by lack of privacy on the net, but in my opinion it’s an illusion to think of 100% privacy on the internet. Internet and privacy just don’t mix….never and nowhere. If you want privacy…just do not use internet. Simple.

Encryption works. If it didn't law enforcement wouldn't have their panties in such a bunch.

If you choose the right tools and use them in the right way you can have 100% privacy.

 

[Dutch60]

Encryption works. If it didn't law enforcement wouldn't have their panties in such a bunch.

Maybe…for the moment.

If you choose the right tools and use them in the right way you can have 100% privacy.

Until someone (maybe some company) decrypts. Maybe quantum computers can help in future.

 

[Arctic Moose]

Maybe…for the moment.

There have been very few cases of catastrophic bugs in well-vetted algorithms. (Heartbleed, Infineon’s RSA key generation and random number generators reusing hardcoded keys come to mind, but every example I can think of was an implementation error.)

Sure, you need to increase the key length every now and then, but that is hardly unexpected.

Until someone (maybe some company) decrypts.

That's not how cryptography works.

Maybe quantum computers can help in future.

Non-issue for now. If you're worried about the future, use a quantum-safe algorithm.