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Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK Amid Government Backdoor Demands
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This is very true, but again I feel it’s impossible to somehow regulate or make laws against. Well, it’s impossible to make laws against that aren’t biased because a human has to interpret what is considered hateful. Depending on who that human is is going to be determine the outcome. People sometimes feel words or beliefs they disagree with are hateful but ones they agree with are perfectly fine. It’s all about perspective. I can’t use real world examples obviously but for instance, I feel a lot of criticism of Macs is hateful. It’s just people that don’t like or are jealous of Apple products. Someone that prefers a different brand might think that’s just my opinion of those computers. Obviously, I’m really stretching here because yeah, this is what I have to work with but you get the point. Just because someone thinks speech is bad doesn’t make it bad and just because someone thinks speech is perfectly fine, doesn’t make it perfectly fine.
As to world leaders, it’s usually not them that are spreading the poison but Talking Heads that you are staring at for hours a day on a glass screen telling you what’s going on.
That’s especially true when a world leader has these Talking Heads in his pocket or when such a leader is a Talking Head himself….no interpretation needed.
Talking Heads often get poisonous and wrong information from exactly that government. Again, not necessarily interpretation.
Leaders know very well how important media are. Sometimes too easy to be abused. It’s happening in more and more places. Indeed…sometimes you just don’t know and cannot know. Growing angry sentiments, easy/simple solutions to complicated problems, less outspoken dwindling opposition, firm and simple presentation of problems and especially solutions, fear, etc.all are signs of things going bad. And that’s exactly what can be seen more and more.
Have a good day.
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Actually it’s already disappeared as it’s been pushed off the headlines, unsurprisingly considering current times by other stories.
Also on my iPhone I have no warning to disable it just that it cannot be offered to new users.
I agree. The reason is that socialism is a cult, at least it behaves like a cult. Many of my friends are on the left and when I see their posts online I have to look at their name to see who has posted because they all say exactly the same things, and in exactly the same way and are convinced what they say is absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong. I think those of us on the right have the ability to see shades of grey rather than the binary vision those on the left have.
Remarkable that I find it the other way around. Especially in recent years and months and noticeable now that right seems to have moved to extreme right.
American politics is so different than what we see in Europe. There really is no mainstream left in the US. I can really only speak from a UK perspective and I see the left as being very intolerant of anyone who doesn't share its views. I don't see that from the right. The left has socialism, the right has no similar cult, if I can call it that.
Well in Europe I see Wilders, Weidel, Orban, Meloni, Marine Le Penn, Farage, etc. And they all agree and they don’t look very tolerant to anyone who doesn’t share their views.
Maybe an extreme right wing cult. Maybe call it fascism.
Farage will always debate, the left simply de-platforms and tries to re-write history. The term 'far-right' has been coined by the media which has its own agenda. I have started calling those on the left the 'far-left'. I am actually a liberal and prepared to defend liberal values. Clearly you are far-left so I will say no more.
That’s exactly what I mean…judging me as “clearly far-left” is the way the extreme right cult likes to discuss and scapegoating is their tried and tested recipe. Same with stating that media has its own agenda. Term 'far right' has been coined by media? What about the term 'far-left'? Do you also mean media like X, Truth Social, etc.?
Liberal values? You mean the values of the persons I mentioned in my earlier post? Not a strange question, as you don’t mention these in this post.
Indeed, saying no more is probably the best you can think of.
Wishing you a very good day.
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When populations move around, sometimes this causes changes in government. It’s important for people to be able to discuss these things openly without fear of their government imprisoning them. Unfortunately, some governments feel that any opposition should be crushed violently and while that is one way it’s not the best way if you’re living in a free country.
I feel like this whole topic has gone a little bit off of the original one where governments want the ability to monitor what you’re doing with the iCloud encryption but it’s all because of that. Government’s fear that if they can’t see what you’re doing then you might be doing something they don’t like.
I think we should move away from left/right discussions, and Farage, Yaxley-Lennon etc. This article is about the UK government demanding a backdoor in Apple's E2EE service. Let's talk about that.
Me too. I suspect we just wait for the follow up email or notice from Apple telling those of us who still have it enabled what to do next.
Yep, made me a bit ill tbh, living in this 1984 server here is getting a bit too much.
Well of course there are exceptions. Threats and libel typically get cited as the biggest ones. But there is no other country with true free speech as we know it here. That is to say we're the only country to have it enshrined at every level of government the way we do, which is why we developed such a reverence for that particular right.
That's not even close to accurate.
E.g.: In the US truth is an absolute defense against accusations of defamation. Not so in the UK.
In the US you can be as racist, abusive, offensive, etc. as you wish to be, as long as you're not crossing any of the lines I noted in this post. Not so in the UK.
In the US you can call out public officials without fear of government persecution. Not so in the UK.
So, yeah: We do have limits on free speech, but they are limits I think just about anybody would find fair and reasonable.
Not so much in the UK.
Oh yeah: And our government hasn't told Apple they expect to be able to spy on its customers, world-wide, at will
That's not even close to accurate.
E.g.: In the US truth is an absolute defense against accusations of defamation. Not so in the UK.
In the US you can be as racist, abusive, offensive, etc. as you wish to be, as long as you're not crossing any of the lines I noted in this post. Not so in the UK.
In the US you can call out public officials without fear of government persecution. Not so in the UK.
So, yeah: We do have limits on free speech, but they are limits I think just about anybody would find fair and reasonable.
Not so much in the UK.
Oh yeah: And our government hasn't told Apple they expect to be able to spy on its customers, world-wide, at will
Couple of corrections for you.
1. The limitations are approximately the same if you do some research. We just don’t have a constitution to define the default situation on which the limitations are built on. We do have a functional mostly apolitical legal system though unlike your good selves.
And let’s not forget the first amendment violation when they kick out AP because they said something hurty.
2. Check out the CLOUD Act (Trump signed in 2018) if you think you’re in a better state than us with RIPA.
As for calling out public officials in the US you might want to look at a reputable news source in the last few days and reevaluate that. Hint: private security is not a legal instrument but is used like one.
There isn’t a functioning government in the US at the moment to protect your speech.