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Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK Amid Government Backdoor Demands
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The IPA was drawn up because the conservative government lost a lot of the powers when leaving Europe and the act was extended to give additional powers, although badly written, like this. It’s only now after 8years it’s got some traction.
Even though most UK users don’t use ADP, this is a kick in the teeth for the UK populous, I speculate that the few people in the country who are Molesters and Terrorists are not using a well known service like iCloud.
Even though most UK users don’t use ADP, this is a kick in the teeth for the UK populous, I speculate that the few people in the country who are Molesters and Terrorists are not using a well known service like iCloud.
Yes and that’s on the UK government. Apple still can’t unencrypt encrypted data.
No hypocrisy. I am not criticising a particular person, just commenting on patterns and trends. Do you understand the difference? I’m not ripping anyone apart as I have seen Americans do in forums and other online discussions.
Your reply illustrates what I am referring to . . . .
Depends on the government, and what’s on your phone.
Personally, here in the UK I have absolutely no problem with the government having a sniff around my device. And in any case, your ISP and email host have had access to that stuff forever.
You don't mind the Government "having a sniff" to see what's on your phone?
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Holy smokes is that Orwellian
Yes indeed and it makes the possibility of fitting up innocent people for crimes they didn't commit. If governments have a back door, then no one is safe. We hear from some that this is to protect children. IT DOESN'T. It will if anything make crime prevention harder as criminals will always be one step ahead, so the only people then affected are the innocent, where the presumption of innocence is supposed to be paramount, but where in the UK everyone is being presumed guilty. Shame on the UK Government, but just another indication of how the Left see Free Speech as anything anyone says that agrees them, otherwise its actionable, and there is no doubt this situation will be used to political ends
No. But they wouldn’t anyway, since I’m not a known terrorist, Russian spy, or pedo, and I don’t use encrypted services - so it’s all totally accessible anyway to web hosts and my ISP.
If they want to check my browser history to see what experimental music I’ve been listening to, tech/music forums I’ve been interacting on, Twitter posts about organic veg growing or go through my tedious email exchanges then they’re more than welcome.
You have just admitted that you may be an unknown terrorist. Better turn off your phone and close your curtains.
In that case all people who are not known terrorists are under scrutiny. You too. Going to be a busy week for the security services.
But I actually said I’m not a known terrorist, which means I’m not a terrorist, known or unknown.
Then I'm afraid your naivety will be your downfall. Do you realise that the British legal system is based on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but this changes that to a presumption of guilt unless proven innocent, almost like the witch trials dunking where if the witch survived the dunking then she was burned at the stake as a witch, if she drowned, she was innocent!
Who will be responsible if someone raids your bank accounts, utilising information gleaned from such a situation, as you can bet 100% that others will utilise this lack of encryption.
Likewise, it will make the job of policing child pornography, paedophiles, and organised crime that much harder, because no way are the likes of these going to use iCloud, and instead will resort to the myriad double encrypted methods of information exchange/communication.
I've never trusted even Apple Password function for banking or investments, instead far better to make an encrypted volume with 256 bit encryption, or even encrypted volume within encrypted volume.
With that new law everybody is certainly under potential scrutiny.
Yes sadly I wish you were wrong, but the level of technical knowledge of MP's, and the EU come to that, let alone their researchers is abysmal. I was involved in advising the UK over the Millennium Bug, but where some dim witted consultants, who were made very very rich by the process, rang out the doom and gloom message, and about how many billions of pounds would be affected, when the situation was so cheap and easy to address and where for most part it was always going to be a non event.
Treat every British citizen as suspected terrorists. I’m sure this will work fine logistically and police resource would be best utilised to hunt down “maybe” crimes that may or may not be committed by millions of people every day.
It's not a question of what I want to say, but one of what I wish anybody and everybody be allowed to say. And, yes: All of those, if that's what they wish.
Essentially anything short of threatening or inciting violence, slander, or libel.
Politically-speaking I'm a cross between a classical liberal and libertarian. Thus neither "right" nor "left." (Actually, in terms of what the left used to represent here in the U.S.: Way more left than right, but today's left has gone so far left I now appear well right-of-center.)
IME: People on the right tend to be far more civil towards their political and social opponents than those from the left. It is those from the left that are more inclined to be venomously nasty.
That is an extreme mischaracterization. TTBOMK: In no state is it legal to employ deadly force against another merely for speech.
Exception: Threats of imminent physical violence, where said threats are reasonably credible. IOW: One needn't necessarily first be physically attacked to justify employing deadly force in their defense.
N.B.: IANAL, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Self/family, friends, neighborhood, community, city/town/village, state, country, planet: In that order.
There are many terms for it in psychology and social science: Concentric Circles of Concern/Identity, Proximal vs. Distal Attachment, etc.
It's actually pretty normal human behavior—unless, perhaps, it's been beat out of you by The State, I suppose.
Are you going to try to tell me that if you're faced with a decision of saving your wife or children vs. some rando you've never met, you're actually going to have to stop to consider the choices? If so: Do they know that?
Yes, you are.
Whatsapp, owned by Meta. You know: The Facebook people?
Yeah: You go ahead and do that
Correction: U.S. legacy/mainstream/dominant media. Yup. It's clearly skewed left. They don't even make much of an effort to hide it anymore.
(Give you three guesses where all of the European and UK dominant "news" media get their information.)
As someone that lives in the “land of the free” I don’t trust my government further than I can throw them, and I can’t throw them at all. If you actually know what’s going on in the government, you realize it’s a bunch of corrupt evil politicians that are fighting for power. There are no good ones. It’s not that the people started evil, but they were corrupted by money. We have politicians that get a six figure salary and after a few years, they have a high seven figure worth. The math doesn’t math. They are taking bribes and getting away with it. I don’t trust people like that at all, and I don’t want them looking through my phone.
Now in reality, there’s nothing on my phone so there’s nothing they would do if even if they saw what’s on my phone. That’s not my problem. I just don’t want them there. It’s kind of like what people do in their bedroom. Most people are doing the same flipping thing so it’s not really a secret. Most people still don’t want to be watched. I wouldn’t want a government camera in my bedroom even if it meant I would be safer.
Your ISP can indeed do this and it’s not great either. You can use a VPN but that’s just kicking the can down the road
It's not a question of what I want to say, but one of what I wish anybody and everybody be allowed to say. And, yes: All of those, if that's what they wish.
Essentially anything short of threatening or inciting violence, slander, or libel.
Politically-speaking I'm a cross between a classical liberal and libertarian. Thus neither "right" nor "left." (Actually, in terms of what the left used to represent here in the U.S.: Way more left than right, but today's left has gone so far left I now appear well right-of-center.)
IME: People on the right tend to be far more civil towards their political and social opponents than those from the left. It is those from the left that are more inclined to be venomously nasty.
That is an extreme mischaracterization. TTBOMK: In no state is it legal to employ deadly force against another merely for speech.
Exception: Threats of imminent physical violence, where said threats are reasonably credible. IOW: One needn't necessarily first be physically attacked to justify employing deadly force in their defense.
N.B.: IANAL, nor do I play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Self/family, friends, neighborhood, community, city/town/village, state, country, planet: In that order.
There are many terms for it in psychology and social science: Concentric Circles of Concern/Identity, Proximal vs. Distal Attachment, etc.
It's actually pretty normal human behavior—unless, perhaps, it's been beat out of you by The State, I suppose.
Are you going to try to tell me that if you're faced with a decision of saving your wife or children vs. some rando you've never met, you're actually going to have to stop to consider the choices? If so: Do they know that?
Yes, you are.
Whatsapp, owned by Meta. You know: The Facebook people?
Yeah: You go ahead and do that
Correction: U.S. legacy/mainstream/dominant media. Yup. It's clearly skewed left. They don't even make much of an effort to hide it anymore.
(Give you three guesses where all of the European and UK dominant "news" media get their information.)
Yea WhatsApp that has end to end encryption and is happily used by millions and millions globally. Although we do not know if the British government has access to it, although I don't think so as they use it themselves.
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So in summary without ADP enabled anything stored in the iCloud can be accessed by Apple.
Do you really put your faith in a Meta app being secure? It probably already has a back door in place regardless of what they claim. Old Chinese proverb never trust what Gov or Corporations tell you. History has already shown us this.
There are good ones (I know this, as I’ve worked with some of them), but they are very few and far between, and don’t tend to get far as a result.
So, I kinda half agree with you on that one.
Which is why your assumption that they would is pure fantasy.