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Yeah, i know Tim mentioned that he wanted to go to mobile direction...but not everyone is going to mobile direction as mac replacement.
But anyway, I'm saying..why at this time?
edit: it's just an impression i'm getting.

I can understand the timing seems off. I think this is more based on the hopes that people get that last push to buy the iPad before they go to school. This is the perfect time for Apple to get the remaining people who haven't gotten a school computer yet to rush out and buy an iPad with a keyboard.
 
I can understand the timing seems off. I think this is more based on the hopes that people get that last push to buy the iPad before they go to school. This is the perfect time for Apple to get the remaining people who haven't gotten a school computer yet to rush out and buy an iPad with a keyboard.
Hmm..i forgot to consider about back to school stuff...that's a factor. Good point.
 
I'm happy that there are those that can get all their work done on the iPad Pro. But just as those people like to complain about us "whiners" wanting a full OS, there are those of us that actually need that to get our work done.
Fair enough. But for many, wanting a "full OS" is simplistic way out. They just want a full notebook with a detachable touchscreen. That is generally because a person wants to perform their tasks in exactly the same way as they do on a desktop/notebook. Nothing wrong with that, but then again, tablets no matter how "pro" they are, aren't for them.

For some, it is helpful to "think differently" about their usual workflows and use cases. Adjusting the steps of a task (and perhaps redesigning the tasks themselves) can result in workflows that work better on a tablet than simply trying to bruteforce a notebook method.

I've done that with great success using my 12.9 iPad Pro + ASK + Citrix X1 mouse. The iPP cannot replace my OSX devices, but it can replace my Macbook Air. Some of my tasks are more streamlined (compared to how I performed those tasks on OSX). Others have been eliminated.

For those times where I need to do work on OSX and I'm away from my home office, I can use Jump Desktop on my iPP to remote into my iMac and using the X1 mouse, have a full desktop experience through the iPP.



As much as people like to talk crap about the Surface, I actually enjoy using my SP3. I can run a full version of office and photoshop on it. I have a local filesystem I can access natively. I can run Eclipse, Tomcat and Git on it and get my work done. I can plug USB devices in directly. I can even run VM's on it (not as well as on my MacBook Pro, but its something I can and have done). And with the latest Win 10 preview I'm even able to have a native feeling *nix prompt. I can then fold back or remove the keyboard, kick back, and get frustrated on another level of candy crush.
The Surface line is little more than netbook/ultrabook devices with removable touchscreens. They suffer from the same issues (Windows updates, driver updates, system services running in the background, etc.) as more traditional notebooks.

There continues to be a chronic shortage of a quantity of quality touch-optimized Modern UI apps. Some will claim that having full MS IE eliminates the need for apps. That is a very narrow view because not all apps are app-ified websites. And there is more to a touch-optimized user interface than magnifying the UI widgets and controls of a desktop OS.


Granted the SP3's battery life sucks, and being the i7 model it can get quite toasty, but you have to start somewhere.

I feel Apple is missing the boat with the reluctance to come out with such a device. Yeah yeah, I know, OSX apps aren't touch capable. So what? Build it, and they will come. The better Windows developers have added "Touch" modes to their apps that adjust themselves when you fold back/remove the keyboard, so its getting there. Apple could even integrate the iOS simulator and run iOS apps natively. You'd get a true 2-in-1 as you'd be able to run OSX apps AND iOS apps perfectly on the same device. Microsoft is sort of already there. Their Windows store selection is nowhere near as good as iOS's... which is why I'd prefer an Apple branded "Surface" device.
I've owned a few Surface devices... and still do. They are "ok" notebooks, but terrible tablets.

OSX as it is, would be terrible on a converged device. Thankfully Apple knows this and moving toward something that will work better than what Microsoft cobbled together. I am fully aware that Apple also has incentive to move at a glacier's pace as they can double-dip customers into purchasing both iPads and Macbooks.
 
What blows me away about this thing is the damn price. 129 bucks despite lacking bluetooth and an internal battery? It's basically a cover and a keyboard which should cost half as much. Either Logitech is getting greedy, or Apple is charging a ridiculous premium for Smart Connector functionality.
 
You've got me on iWork, it really needs a lot of work. Apple needs to either fix it up on iOS or give it up completely. They're pushing the idea of this as a productivity machine, but can't be bothered to really bring ove iWork completely?

What's pathetic is that Apple gutted the Mac version — ruined it — to make it compatible with the iOS version, yet even after ripping out half of its functionality, the iOS version still isn't comparable.
 
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What's pathetic is that Apple gutted the Mac version — ruined it — to make it compatible with the iOS version, yet even after ripping out half of its functionality, the iOS version still isn't comparable.

I've been wondering lately if Apple is taking iWork seriously. They don't make any money from it, and it turns out they barely update it. The app is nice enough, but it just seems to be dying a slow death by neglect.
 
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If you don't think Apple will release new macs later this year thats your idiotic problem. Because it will happen.

Really, what makes YOU so sure that it will happen? Apple has already run out of time for the back-to-school period. Besides, we were also rather optimistic for a glimpse of new hardware at WWDC. Nope. Nada. Just a p̶i̶n̶k̶ Rose Gold Macbook last spring. Whoopty-do.
 
Because it's still a touch computer. If you want a computer that relies heavily on the mouse/keyboard metaphor? They still make Macs.


MR sure has a case of "me me me" these days. Since they can't use it as their only computer? A lot of people here act like nobody can. Since they can't do their job with it? A lot of people act like nobody can. How sad.
If it was truly desktop class it would be in at least one of their desktops.
 
I've owned a few Surface devices... and still do. They are "ok" notebooks, but terrible tablets.
Can I ask why you think that?

**Personal opinion**
In tablet form its a consumption device. Netflix, internet, Kindle, Mail, light work. Apps like these are no different to the iPad - I have them on both. It's also a drawing / music creation device - touch controlled and perfectly angled with the kick stand.

It's not like I'm having to make the device work or going out of my way to contort it into something that I can use. It's simply a laptop when it needs to be, a music control surface when it needs to be, a drawing pad when it needs to be and a Netflix / newspaper/ comic reader etc...

I can't see how it's a terrible tablet. Maybe the weight? Maybe the battery?

**Edit** Huh, it's also good for finding lost coins!
 
If it was truly desktop class it would be in at least one of their desktops.

That'd be interesting to see, and I think it's only a matter of time. But for now, I think we get stymied by the fact people want to use traditional programs on their Mac. Imagine if they moved to ARM tomorrow. No Windows compatibility, few apps, and so forth. It'd be PPC > Intel all over again.
 
iPad Pro has larger screen and greater speakers and Pencil. Big screen is not just big screen it enables new kind of activities like Multitasking and drawing is only possible on large canvas. Plus it has superior battery life and amazing keyboard.

That's funny, when iPad didn't have multitasking, everyone said it was useless. Now that it has, it's a necessity! lol Both multitasking and pen are wanted/used by very few people. The very definition of casual user means casual use. And amazing keyboard?? :rolleyes:
 
Can I ask why you think that?

**Personal opinion**
In tablet form its a consumption device. Netflix, internet, Kindle, Mail, light work. Apps like these are no different to the iPad - I have them on both. It's also a drawing / music creation device - touch controlled and perfectly angled with the kick stand.

It's not like I'm having to make the device work or going out of my way to contort it into something that I can use. It's simply a laptop when it needs to be, a music control surface when it needs to be, a drawing pad when it needs to be and a Netflix / newspaper/ comic reader etc...

I can't see how it's a terrible tablet. Maybe the weight? Maybe the battery?

For me, I couldn't see myself holding my Surface Pro 3 for prolonged periods. The i5 just isn't that good in terms of heat. I also don't like that the fan has some issues. It's weird, though. You'd think with a fan that goes off so often, it'd be cooler.
 
For me, I couldn't see myself holding my Surface Pro 3 for prolonged periods. The i5 just isn't that good in terms of heat. I also don't like that the fan has some issues. It's weird, though. You'd think with a fan that goes off so often, it'd be cooler.

Yeah you can tweak that in the settings.
Turn off the CPU blasting in battery mode. It won't overclock or stress the CPU, no fans, no heat.

Also we'll see what MS have done with the Windows 10 Anniversary edition.
 
That'd be interesting to see, and I think it's only a matter of time. But for now, I think we get stymied by the fact people want to use traditional programs on their Mac. Imagine if they moved to ARM tomorrow. No Windows compatibility, few apps, and so forth. It'd be PPC > Intel all over again.
Doesn’t matter how good it is or how good they think it is on paper. If it can’t produce the goods in the real world it’s useless.
 
Yeah you can tweak that in the settings.
Turn off the CPU blasting in battery mode. It won't overclock or stress the CPU, no fans, no heat.

Also we'll see what MS have done with the Windows 10 Anniversary edition.

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I think Microsoft has dumbed down the advanced battery settings. Or am I just stupid?
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Doesn’t matter how good it is or how good they think it is on paper. If it can’t produce the goods in the real world it’s useless.

Wow, you're a really angry person.
 
The iPad is not a computer for everyone, but it is a computer for most.

You're absolutely right. Most people never do anything but sit on the sofa and grow fat and stupid texting auto-corrected, grammatically incorrect gibberish composed without punctuation. But for anyone who can write and type — that rare breed of person who actually does stuff — it's not even possible to edit simple text on iOS without wanting to commit suicide after five minutes.
 
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