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iPad Pro in current state looks to me like a coincidental product that came to market because the diverse components were available and they had to come up with something to compete with the Surface.

From the first time I tried this product out in the Apple Store it felt like immature, unfinished, very un-Apple...
 
Wonder if Macrumors.com will have a drinking game during the iPhone event this year. Every time Cooke or whoever says the ipad(pro) can replace your computer...you take a drink.
Please....
Magical, thinnest, powerful, pipeline, great products, coming soon, EMOJII, Watchbands..

You'll be on the floor in around 30 seconds.

Oh and, ONE BILLION!
 
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Ok ok, IMHO they were far worse and I spent a lot of time in front of them.
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As TC will remind us, several times, throughout the morning ... simply amazing
I would love to see the day where they all just give up and be honest..

TC: Look, it's exactly the same as the last 3 phones. We've literally done as little as possible for a cynical cash grab.. Now cheer and get your credit cards out.
 
True for some. But many of us want a much larger screen to do things like watch YouTube, edit photos, play games, brows the web/news app. Its just much better on iPad for those who can afford it.
I agree with your point 100 percent. I love the new iPad Pro 9.7. I use it more than all my other devices combined when I am home.

However, Apple is bringing on a lot the negative comments by saying it can be a main computer (especially with most of their Mac line desperately needing an update). As was mentioned, there are times you have to actually plug it into a computer to get it to restore. Even with their basic music app, you can't Airplay to more than one device at a time with iOS, but you can send the signal all over the house with iTunes on any computer. Until it can do the most basic things in their own apps, they should refrain from saying it can replace a computer.

They should just sell it as an amazing tablet that is great from drawing and now has a keyboard cover rather than trying to compare it to a Mac or Windows computer.
 
Right, kill the mac. Not bring iOS to the MacBook.

Yes. it looks like Apple is trying to cripple the macbook line to make the iPads look better by comparison. Apple is taking away a lot of basic functionality from the macs so they can say the iPad does everything a "computer" can do.

I was in the MS store this weekend. It's about 50 feet from an Apple store. The MS store was more crowded and their HTC Vive display had a lot more wow factor than anything I've seen from Apple for many years.
 
If you think about the Mac OS the only real advancement has been adding iOS style features.

I believe iOS and MacOS will merge and we will see and end to the Mac as we've known it.

Apple seems to have given up on the Mac Pro, the iWork apps, Aperture and I believe will sell the professional software Logic etc to another company.

Apple will now only develop and market what is very profitable. And that means consumer gadgets not professional systems and software.
 
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This.
I said it elsewhere, they don't fear anymore.
This is not about replacing computers IMHO, it's about replacing MacOS. Tim likes the walled garden and is preparing his customers for the complete control  has always wanted from day-1. The signs are everywhere, starting with the HDD lock down of El Crapitan's SIP/rootless - and the disappearance of "download from anywhere" option on Sierra. That is the fundamental policy behind iOS. It's the app store ONLY wall that helps  lock in profits.

I think there are signs that this attitude is already beginning to backfire - as seen in sales drop for iOS products & Mac's since El Cappy. Tim seems to be blind to this and is blaming the everything but the real problem. People will always buy top quality products that meet their needs. Trying to sell a banana that's supposed to be an apple hasn't worked so far and that's not likely to change with a commercial.
 
Once had to type paper on ipad as computer was in the hospital. Very unpleasant experience. Bluetooth keyboard worked fine but I hated not having trackpad or mouse; text editing was super clunky and a nightmare. To not add such basic functionality in a "pro" line is ludicrous. Tim really has no idea.
 
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My computers can run Logic Pro & Ableton Live.

My computers also run the Adobe Suite. So you can edit videos and documents like a professional. Not a college student using iMovie, MS Word or Pages. My computers also run real coding applications that store files in logical directories and can FTP over to my web servers. My computers are "real" pro tools, unlike the iPad [not]Pro.
 
Help me figure out what most people do that the iPad is lacking 90% of.

This is where you're posing the question in a stupid way deliberately to make it look like your iPad does most of what most people need. It's not that there is a single thing that "most" people do. I doubt there's anything at all that "most" people do at all except eat, sleep and ****.

The fact you're trying to hide from is that "most" people do something that an iPad can't do. It's just not the same something.

If I say people need to develop in xcode, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people need to edit 4k video or photos on a big screen, you'll say they're a minority. If i say people want to play high end games or even use a VR headset, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people need to do modelling and high power number crunching, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people need a robust file system, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people want to install software that is not pre-screened by big brother, you'll say they're a minority.

But, sooner or later "most" people need to do something an iPad can't do.
 
Once had to type paper on ipad as computer was in the hospital. Very unpleasant experience. Bluetooth keyboard worked fine, I hated not having trackpad or mouse; line editing was a nightmare. To not add such functionality in a "pro" line is ludicrous. Tim really has no idea.

Yes, Tim can lead the Apple Fashion line...which is what he's been focusing on. Time to get someone in there that has a real passion for creating actual computers again. Has anyone started working on the Steve Jobs AI yet?
 
Tim is clinging with his teeth on the iOS platform. He doesn't understand that the OS built for a smartphone in 2007 can not and will not replace a laptop.

He will find himself in the position of Blackberry in the world of iphones/Galaxies if he doesn't wake up and start building the Post-PC era OS, because Microsoft will not wait for him with their surfaces.
 
This is where you're posing the question in a stupid way deliberately to make it look like your iPad does most of what most people need. It's not that there is a single thing that "most" people do. I doubt there's anything at all that "most" people do at all except eat, sleep and ****.

The fact you're trying to hide from is that "most" people do something that an iPad can't do. It's just not the same something.

If I say people need to develop in xcode, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people need to edit 4k video or photos on a big screen, you'll say they're a minority. If i say people want to play high end games or even use a VR headset, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people need to do modelling and high power number crunching, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people need a robust file system, you'll say they're a minority. If I say people want to install software that is not pre-screened by big brother, you'll say they're a minority.

But, sooner or later "most" people need to do something an iPad can't do.

Most people don't use xCode, most people don't edit 4K video, most people don't use VR or play high end games, most people don't do modeling or big number crunching. You called it because you know it's true. Most people don't do those things. Tomb Raider sold about 5-7million on the PC. Even if it had sold double? Let's even up it to 15million. Now let's take that out of the 300 million windows computers sold every year. That's a minority. VR is an even smaller niche than that.

I don't have to try to make it look like the iPad does what most people do. An iPad does do what most people do with a computer. A Chromebook does what most people do with a computer. A 300$ Windows PC does what most people do with their computer.

So, please, come up with a mainstream thing people do that the iPad can't. Something people actually do. Not this crap about high end gaming, or having to have a complex file manager. I'm talking about things people do that are normal things. Or admit you might be wrong. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if I am. But everything you listed are for computer literate people, and the average computer user is not computer literate. They use whatever computer they get, they open files through applications, and they pro ably play light games like solitaire or mahjong.

The iPad is not a computer for everyone, but it is a computer for most.
 
I'm sure, depending on one's specific needs. If you're just a casual user then I bet it's a great alternative to a MBA or MBP.

Maybe if by "casual user" you mean email, web surfing, games. That would be my mom.

Otherwise the iPad is a companion, not an alternative to a laptop. I own a few iPads and a MBP. iPads excel against laptops for surfing the web on the sofa and playing games and reading books on a plane. But when it comes to writing, editing even short-ist videos, stacks of photos I find my laptop or iMac much more comfortable and less frustrating than if I did those tasks on an iPad w/ a mushy keyboard, no true multi-tasking, and a slow processor, especially for the latter two. Plus when I use my Macs I don't have to rely on the cloud or fear I'm going to gobble up all my storage.
 
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