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That is a big problem, Samsung actually started seeing big imporvements after they moved to PD PPS. So EU wants devices to be stuck in archiac standards?
USB PD is the leading standard on power delivery. It can deliver up to 240W.

It is, and is already very slow. Android vendors have better and faster charging compared to PD. They may still put the minimal PD standard support to keep the EU Nannycrats happy.
IT CAN DELIVER UP TO 240W. It’s far from very slow. No device in this category charges at that speed.
 
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TLDR: A common standard for power delivery, data transfer, display, and other uses sounds great on paper, but hasnt delivered, at least for mobile devices/phones. I would love to have a common standard for Mobile devices, USB C so far hasnt shown it can be that standard.

Here's thing - a common standard needs to be just a baseline that allows improvement beyond what was initially included; USB-C does a good job of that by design.

This is what legislation is set to change. To standardise on a certain connector and minimum charging requirement to follow the Power Delivery specification, rather than having only proprietary fast charging methods (and a fallback to 5V/2.5W or 5W as per old USB standards).

Which is the right way to do it, because it allows innovation while still ensuring a base level of compatibility if the cable/charger don't support the higher speeds.

That is a big problem, Samsung actually started seeing big imporvements after they moved to PD PPS. So EU wants devices to be stuck in archiac standards?

All the EU has done is settle on a plug and minimal power delivery requirements; nothing prevents manufacturers from adding capabilities or even staying at the lowest charging wattage if they desire.

I‘m not 100% sure from the text if devices have to support higher profiles (e.g. 18W) if capable of being charged at higher speeds, but in any case there’s little reason not, due to the declaration and labeling requirements. Also, while still allowing for proprietary or other charging peotocols, „full functionality“ with USB-C is to be ensured. 5 Watts highest charging clearly doesn’t cut that.

As I read the spec, if you do more than the lowest minimal wattage you need to support the equivalent PD spec for whatever wattage you decide to use. Beyond the max PD describes, you are free to go it alone, and the USB-C spec allows that.

This whole rumor is overblown, IMHO. Apple can easily comply with the spec while adding features to phones to differentiate them in the marketplace. Pros get an enhanced set, just as they do with photography today.
 
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This thread is hilarious, can only imagine if the issue was with iPhone not one plus.

Which manufacturer has proven so far with high usb c speeds on the phone, samsung? Google? I need to see these mythical phone transfer speeds of usb-c.
First, USB-C has been proven to allow for and practically reach 5Gbps or higher data transfer speeds in MacBooks.
Second, you may not see such transfer speeds for quite a while and there may be good reason for that.

A Samsung Galaxy or iPhone isn't a dedicated USB flash storage device. It (likely) doesn’t have low-power dedicated IC to expose the flash storage directly to a connected host.

If you connect your computer to an external SSD over a USB-C port, the computer will directly interface with the USB-to-SATA/NVMe/flash controller - whereas with a powered-on phone, it will only talk to its operating system (Android or iOS) with considerable associated processing overhead. Fast interfaces to the CPU or SoC don’t come for free in mobile devices. The chips used in such devices often don’t have spare PCIe lanes, additional USB3 controller chips or built-in USB3 connections, cause they cost money, space and power in such tiny devices. Last but not least, USB 3 has been known for potential (and sometimes quite observable in practice) interference with 2.4Ghz wireless connectivity. It’s surely not helped by the smaller physical separation between USB circuitry and antennas in smartphones (as opposed to tablets or notebooks).

Point being: there may be design and engineering choices why you aren’t getting very good USB data transfer performance on smartphones connected to computers. The engineers of such devices don’t set out to achieve the maximum theoretical transfer speeds on every single - wired or wireless - interface or protocol supported (though yes, sometime they do, for bragging rights …er marketing considerations). And that’s often for good reason, in such small and battery-powered devices.

PS: as much as I sometimes loathe Apple’s product differentiation, artificial gimping of products and “upgrade” pricing, USB data transfer speeds in iPhones aren’t really a big concern - unlike enforced MfI authentication on attached USB-C devices for money-grabbing purposes.
 
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First, USB-C has been proven to allow for and practically reach 5Gbps or higher data transfer speeds in MacBooks.
Second, you may not see such transfer speeds for quite a while and there may be good reason for that.

A Samsung Galaxy or iPhone isn't a dedicated USB flash storage device. It (likely) doesn’t have low-power dedicated IC to expose the flash storage directly to a connected host.

If you connect your computer to an external SSD over a USB-C port, the computer will directly interface with the USB-to-SATA/NVMe/flash controller - whereas with a powered-on phone, it will only talk to its operating system (Android or iOS) with considerable associated processing overhead. Fast interfaces to the CPU or SoC don’t come for free in mobile devices. The chips used in such devices often don’t have spare PCIe lanes, additional USB3 controller chips or built-in USB3 connections, cause they cost money, space and power in such tiny devices. Last but not least, USB 3 has been known for potential (and sometimes quite observable in practice) interference with 2.4Ghz wireless connectivity. It’s surely not helped by the smaller physical separation between USB circuitry and antennas in smartphones (as opposed to tablets or notebooks).

Point being: there may be design and engineering choices why you aren’t getting very good USB data transfer performance on smartphones connected to computers. The engineers of such devices don’t set out to achieve the maximum theoretical transfer speeds on every single - wired or wireless - interface or protocol supported (though yes, sometime they do, for bragging rights …er marketing considerations). And that’s often for good reason, in such small and battery-powered devices.

PS: as much as I sometimes loathe Apple’s product differentiation, artificial gimping of products and “upgrade” pricing, USB data transfer speeds in iPhones aren’t really a big concern - unlike enforced MfI authentication on attached USB-C devices for money-grabbing purposes.
Your post makes me wish iPhones had target disk mode
 
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I charge my M1 Macbook Air with this teeny-tiny 30W Anker charger.

I'm looking forward to charging a USB-C iPhone with the same charger and cable. Personally... I'm not really worried about what charging standard it uses, or how fast it charges. I'm sure it will be fine. I just want the same cable for both!
If it’s just about the power adapter and cable, there are small USB-C to Lightning adapters that’ll do that. Been using one myself, also with an Anker charger.

Be sure though to pay a bit more for an adapter that supports USB-C Power Delivery/fast charging (as opposed to many cheap adapters that can be had for cents on the Chinese online markets and will not).
 
First, USB-C has been proven to allow for and practically reach 5Gbps or higher data transfer speeds in MacBooks.

and Apple has proven to only provide half the speed over USB3 than most other devices, because... Apple
 
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Yeo. If they do this the only logical reason I can think of is that Apple is getting ready to just abandon doing business in Europe to avoid fines.
Fined for what? Fully meeting the EU directive?

Nothing in the directive prevents any manufacturer from using custom data protocols or augmenting PD with proprietary charging capabilities as long as they provide the PD capabilities in the directive.

Apple isn’t abandoning the EU nor doing something to spite them.

They could go fully wireless for charging and a port for data and the directive would not apply. Maybe that’s the next rumor…
 
Yeo. If they do this the only logical reason I can think of is that Apple is getting ready to just abandon doing business in Europe to avoid fines.
Assuming youre being sarcastic about Apple leaving the EU. If not - the EU account for 30% of Apple's annual revenue; they arent going anywhere.
 
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Actually, as somebody who uses quite a lot of USB ports on communal machines, anything that provides and additional layer of security makes sense to me. I don't want to be thinking that I am merely charging my phone from a USB port when some government or hacker is downloading my data. Case in point: USB charging points on buses and trains.
 
This is definitely the anti-trust equivalent of "kicking and screaming". That being said, the state of USB-C accessories is still pretty horrible
 
I’m willing to wait for reality. But as an 18 month first time Apple customer, it doesn’t matter. Given the 5-6 year market deficit in both speech reco and soft keyboard functionality, we’re backing out of the system.

I write a column in a speech tech magazine and have been pestering Apple to comment on why they’ve abandoned speech reco and also Siri as a competitive differentiator, but they seem to be embarrassed and refuse to comment. So it’s going to market with the facts showing that Apple is behind everyone in the mobile market. I’m headed back to Android sometime soon.
BUT BUT they just updated Siri's speech rec! What you are using is the IMPROVE product.... which is worse IMO. Siri flunking English for sure. Voice dictation is truly unusable unless you love to edit ever thing you dictate.
 
Actually, as somebody who uses quite a lot of USB ports on communal machines, anything that provides and additional layer of security makes sense to me. I don't want to be thinking that I am merely charging my phone from a USB port when some government or hacker is downloading my data. Case in point: USB charging points on buses and trains.
You know Apple already has data access controls, right?
 
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The EU doesnt mess around, so for Apple's sake, lets hope this is just a rumor.
We don't know what Apple will ultimately choose to do until they actually play their hand, but I won't be surprised if somewhere at Apple headquarters, management has actually done up a table listing out the various ways they could comply with EU regulations, as well as weighing the respective pros and cons of each option. Considering all alternatives is the least they should do.
 
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I don’t buy this specifically because they would have done this with their existing USB C products.

It is worth noting that the USB-C interface currently used by Apple in the 10th-generation iPad, iPad mini, iPad Air, and iPad Pro, do not contain an IC chip for authentication, meaning that this would be a first for ports of this kind offered by the company.

Plus doing this seems like it might run afoul of the laws forcing them to go to USB C in the first place.

I’m sure the non Pro phones will be limited to USB 2 or maybe 3 speeds while the Pro phones will get Thunderbolt speeds.
 
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