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I think Apple could introduce new financing options for their future overly expensive items. They can charge more than the market will bear and allow for financing to a wider group of normally unqualified people. By using predatory lending practices they can put this in the hands of more people that can afford it with the confidence that if they do not pay, the full weight of the government will go after those people. The strain will be on the tax payers and not the company. Yay.
 
Past Apple products were just new versions of stuff we already had. Phones that call to smart Phones, watches that tell time to smart watches, wired earbuds and headphones to wireless/bluetooth ones and walkman/discman to mp3 players. Vision Pro isn't following up on something we already had. I’m just going to be on the sidelines watching what goes on. I don't like the idea of strapping something on my head and grabbing things in the air unless its gaming. Now if it played games like a PSVR and it was around $500 then I would be in the market right away but Apple isn't a game business.
 
My guess is that it will be less of an issue assuming you have the vision pro fitted for your head first at an Apple Store before buying one. I suspect the reason for the extra strap on top is because Apple has not had the opportunity to customise the fit of the vision pro for the people invited to try it out during WWDC, and so the strap was designed to mitigate the impact of an imperfect fit.
Or that’s one of the customizations available. I don’t think everyone who got the demo had the top strap, and that could be because they got different fittings
 
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So basically this is a product for people to use at home, alone. And that’s what Apple thinks is the future?
Yes. Like many, if not the majority, of entertainment products. Either used at home or alone and often both.

As the tech evolves, it can branch out. But obviously, yes, that is their current market.

How would you not feel that way? Tech is becoming more and more personalized and individual. I don’t share my phone, watch, iPad, Mac, etc. Sure I could watch a tv with a friend or my wife, but usually I don’t. If I’m hanging out with friends or family, we don’t sit in front of the television.
 
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I think Apple could introduce new financing options for their future overly expensive items. They can charge more than the market will bear and allow for financing to a wider group of normally unqualified people. By using predatory lending practices they can put this in the hands of more people that can afford it with the confidence that if they do not pay, the full weight of the government will go after those people. The strain will be on the tax payers and not the company. Yay.
Or it might be an interesting candidate for the 'subscription model' that has been floated (but never launched!) in the past - monthly payments, and regular updates to new versions.
 
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Regarding the top head strap it’s another one of those damned if you do and damned if you don’t things. If the head strap is included tech blog forums will explode with rage over paying for something you don't want or need. If the head strap is optional tech blog forums with explode with rage over something that should be included being optional and, of course, too expensive.
I don’t remember anyone complaining that the first iPod or first iPhone had accessories included with it. Rather it was the opposite: there were big complaints when the price increased and accessories got removed.
 
Sure but keep in mind that the Apple watch had a $349 option almost from the beginning and came at a time where people were already looking for fitness watches and bands. It was an easy sale because you could justify spending a couple of hundred on a toy even if you ended up not using it. Also, it extended your phone in a way that enabled you to keep your phone in your pocket or bag thus simplifying and de-cluttering your life. The Vision is going the opposite way by cluttering your life with cords, battery packs and eye covers. There is no real correlation to apples past successes and the Vision Pro.
Reading this it’s almost - to me - like people just do NOT want to try to understand the product.
Sure, the price is high & it will need a few generations to reach profitable point but this thing won’t go away. This will open a new future and we will be there.
 
They’re amongst us going to be even harder spotting them.
 

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The issue here is that for $3500 they still couldn't make it lighter than existing $299 headsets like the Quest 2, that doesn't bode well for the rumored consumer version. Although maybe the rumored consumer version uses more plastic, making it lighter, who knows. The best UI and OS in the world won't make a difference if you just want to rip it off your head after 30 minutes due to discomfort. I absolutely loved my Quest 2, but the reason I sold it (twice mind you) was exactly because of how uncomfortable it was. Comfort IS the killer app here, make these light and comfortable and you will see a much larger demand.
Yes - the weight is also what concerns me. But at the end it is not the only factor determining comfort.
My AirPod Max are more comfortable then the lighter Sony I had before, as they distribute the weight over a larger area.
 
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I don’t remember anyone complaining that the first iPod or first iPhone had accessories included with it. Rather it was the opposite: there were big complaints when the price increased and accessories got removed.
And sales were not affected in the least bit. The only complaints were on tech blog forums and we know what that’s worth.
 
I imagine the over-the-head strap is for when the user needs to be moving a lot, especially vertically, like when using Apple Fitness+ or games where the player needs to jump, stoop, or spin, and so on.
 
This is the first version.

Apple Lisa
Memory: 1 MB
Storage: 5 MB
Display: 12 inch monochrome (720 x 360p)
Weight: 22 kg
Price equivalent: $30,000 ($9,995 when released)

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It's not an accurate comparison though. At the time of its release, the Lisa was very likely the cheapest comparable product. The Xerox Star, released in 1981, cost $16,595.

In comparison the Vision Pro launches into a well established market, where consumers have an idea for how much the functionality should cost.

The release of the Vision Pro seems similar to the first Apple TV: a vehicle to test the market by releasing a better-then-the-rest product with a price premium. Albeit the difference here is far greater
 
Will it come with a wi-fi snorkel antenna? That scene with the dad taking a video is creepy. Way more creepy than Google Glass ever was. Honestly, imagine that scenario in real life. Super weird. Just use your phone.

TBH this whole thing feels a bit like the Segway. Great, useful, and technologically advanced in theory, but in practice just clumsy, awkward and lame. If it was the size of a pair of glasses, then sure.

But strapping a snorkel mask to your head just to have a gimmicky way to do what you can already do on your phone or your macbook is kind of dorky and weird.

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Yes, I agree with the glasses statement. When you can walk around with something that looks no different than a pair of say, Rayban's, that's when this tech will finally take off. People care (shocker, I know) about how they look.
 
Still not as dorky as ski googles on your face. And you can quickly put your phone in your pocket/purse. Obviously Apple doesn’t expect people to use this outside their house. Which to me doesn’t make it the future of anything.
I don't think ski goggles look particularly dorky. Elite athletes wear them all the time
 


Coming away from all the press coverage and the demonstration videos that Apple released for its Vision Pro headset, most people would be forgiven for not realizing that there is an optional additional strap for the device that goes over the head.

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Still from Apple's WWDC keynote video showing over-the-head strap in use

The additional strap is presumably used to better disperse weight and/or keep the headset from being easily dislodged when the wearer is moving around. It only appeared once in Apple's WWDC keynote, in a brief scene where a man stands and records a video of children playing with bubbles using the headset's outward facing cameras.

Otherwise, it is conspicuous only by its absence in Apple's marketing materials. Indeed, Apple has not even mentioned the optional head strap, but some of those who got to try the headset in person in Cupertino this week, such as MacRumors videographer Dan Barbera, did get to use it.

"A lot of people probably didn't know this just by looking at some press images, but there is another band that goes over the top of your head," said Dan in his initial impressions video.

In his opinion, with the additional strap attached, the Vision Pro is "not that far off from other headsets in terms of weight," but it does "a really good job of dispersing that weight" and making it not so front-heavy. "I do think most people will want to use it," he added.

Apple has not revealed the weight of the Vision Pro, but Apple's decision to offload the battery to an external pack speaks volumes about the need to keep the headset as light as possible. The braided headband that goes around the back of the head has a fit adjustment dial, but by offering an additional strap, Apple implicitly seems to be acknowledging that the one headband may not be comfortable or secure enough for some users, especially if the device is going to be worn for extended periods of time.

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It's worth remembering that members of the press who got to try the headset did so only for around 30 minutes, which is some way off Apple's stated two-hour battery life (Apple even says it is designed for all-day use when plugged in to a power outlet). For example, in his own first impressions write-up, Daring Fireball's John Gruber did not mention any use of the additional over-the-head strap, but he did have this to say about the weight:
Since Apple hasn't discussed the existence of the additional strap, we don't yet know if it will be included in the box with the headset when it goes on sale next year. But given its relative absence in marketing materials, the likelihood is that it will be offered as a separate paid-for accessory for those who feel they need it.

Whether that will go down well with consumers considering buying a first-generation product with a $3,499 starting price remains to be seen.

Article Link: Apple Still Hasn't Discussed the Vision Pro's Weight and Optional Top Head Strap
I think my concern would be the ventilation, look like a tight fit.
 
2 4+K displays with 5,000 nits. 👀

What’s your net worth? 😉 I suspect Apple won’t be able to manufacture enough of these to meet demand.
If apple can’t manufacture enough to meet a predictably low demand that doesn’t make it a success, but even more of a failure.
 
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It's not an accurate comparison though. At the time of its release, the Lisa was very likely the cheapest comparable product. The Xerox Star, released in 1981, cost $16,595.

In comparison the Vision Pro launches into a well established market, where consumers have an idea for how much the functionality should cost.

The release of the Vision Pro seems similar to the first Apple TV: a vehicle to test the market by releasing a better-then-the-rest product with a price premium. Albeit the difference here is far greater
Yeah and see what happened to the Apple TV. It was and remained a niche product.
 
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And sales were not affected in the least bit. The only complaints were on tech blog forums and we know what that’s worth.
iPhone sales are in decline. Whether this depends on the lack of accessories or not nobody can tell. It is probably a combination of factors, but worse value for money definitely doesn’t help.
 
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