Apple used to be ahead of the curve

[bmac4]

They haven't "missed out" on anything - simply offered a different philosophy centered around the in-app experience. Android offers what you want, which is why you chose it.

When will people learn that these two companies offer the things they do based on the philosophy behind each and that one person's preference or needs are not indicative of an entire nation's or world's??

Yes each company offers different preferences for different using. You can say each company has followed the other in making the phones. Every time Apple makes a phone there is something taken from Android and every time an android OEM makes a phone they take something from Apple. Sure they make it different for their phone, but the ideas came from each other.

I will agree that both Apple and android have very different customers base, but there is some over lapping in customers. You claim that we have realize that Apple makes phones for certain type of people while android makes for another set of people. That is kind of crazy. They are both trying to get as many customers as they can with each new upgrade. Each is trying to gain a bigger customer base each time.

 

[nefan65]

They haven't "missed out" on anything - simply offered a different philosophy centered around the in-app experience. Android offers what you want, which is why you chose it.

When will people learn that these two companies offer the things they do based on the philosophy behind each and that one person's preference or needs are not indicative of an entire nation's or world's??

Wait, you mean people don't want exactly what I want? What the hell is the matter with them!!!!????

 

[jrswizzle]

Wait, you mean people don't want exactly what I want? What the hell is the matter with them!!!!????

I know, novel concept....

 

[Zaft]

People will have differing opinions on phones
But I must say OSX is so much better then windows.

My wife has macbook air, i have an old sony laptop. going from mine to hers is such a big difference.

 

[linkgx1]

Apple is never ahead of the curve.What they do is they make a new category, dominate it, get dominated then leave. Rinse and repeat. Apple's iPhone will eventually lose steam. Like the Motorola RAZR. This will happen when every phone is essentially a smart phone.

Hopefully by then Apple does something with Apple TV. Meh.

 

[bmac4]

I know, novel concept....

Because I suggested that android has added some features to their phones before Apple. That means I am saying all phones should be alike, and Apple should be more like Android? That is not what I was saying. My thoughts are there are some things that android has added to there phones first that Apple should have. This has nothing to do with Android being more open and the iPhone being more closed. Things like notification light, wider screen, and NFC have nothing todo with the openness of android. I don't want the iphine to be like android. There would be no reason to have the iPhone and android phones if that were the case. You guys just want to make me look like a Apple hater no matter what I say. I just think Apple has some room evolve, and I would like to see them do sooner rather than later.

 

[The iGentleman]

very time Apple makes a phone there is something taken form Android and every time android makes a phone they take something from Apple.

Android is only an OS, it doesn't make phones. I'm assuming you meant various OEM's?

 

[bmac4]

Android is only an OS, it doesn't make phones. I'm assuming you meant various OEM's?

Yes sorry.

 

[jrswizzle]

Because I suggested that android has added some features to their phones before Apple. That means I am saying all phones should be alike, and Apple should be more like Android? That is not what I was saying. My thoughts are there are some things that android has added to there phones first that Apple should have. This has nothing to do with Android being more open and the iPhone being more closed. Things like notification light, wider screen, and NFC have nothing todo with the openness of android. I don't want the iphine to be like android. There would be no reason to have the iPhone and android phones if that were the case. You guys just want to make me look like a Apple hater no matter what I say. I just think Apple has some room evolve, and I would like to see them do sooner rather than later.

My comment was not directed at you - check who I quoted and the line I bolded.

 

[bmac4]

My comment was not directed at you - check who I quoted and the line I bolded.

I was quoting you and making the comment because that is what you have said to me a couple of time in different threads. You may have not directed that quote at me, but I don't think the other poster was suggesting that every phone should be just alike. We all know people prefer other things.

 

[Digital Skunk]

There was a lot of things Apple has missed out on with the iPhone. But when it first came out it offered a better experience that made what it was missing worth it.

The lack of copy-and-paste killed me back in 2007. I had it on PDA's for over a decade before that. And years before on smartphones. Yet I put up with it because I liked the experience of the iPhone. That was then.

Michael

Agreed. For me, it more more the service provider. I wasn't too upset with the current handsets at the time. Apple really just gave me a better way to use my phone as an extremely basic PDA and an extremely ahead of the curve iPod that could surf the web much better than any device previously.

As far as actually phone features, the iPhone was dramatically lacking, and as far as PDA features, they were almost non-existent.

They haven't "missed out" on anything - simply offered a different philosophy centered around the in-app experience. Android offers what you want, which is why you chose it.

When will people learn that these two companies offer the things they do based on the philosophy behind each and that one person's preference or needs are not indicative of an entire nation's or world's??

You're getting "missed out on features" and "user experience" confused. Apple did miss out on a lot. Threads full of the stuff. MMS, copy/paste, applications, etc. with the first iPhone.

Now, I will agree that Apple put more effort into the UE instead of the feature set; and in doing so missed out on a lot of functionality.

I was quoting you and making the comment because that is what you have said to me a couple of time in different threads. You may have not directed that quote at me, but I don't think the other poster was suggesting that every phone should be just alike. We all know people prefer other things.

Yes, agreed. And those that keep clamoring on about the "to each his/her own" thing need to remember that not everyone is saying that this is better than that or vice versa, just comparing devices and there are some things that are just plain old facts.

 

[jrswizzle]

You're getting "missed out on features" and "user experience" confused. Apple did miss out on a lot. Threads full of the stuff. MMS, copy/paste, applications, etc. with the first iPhone.

Now, I will agree that Apple put more effort into the UE instead of the feature set; and in doing so missed out on a lot of functionality.

No - I simply think Apple had a plan with the iPhone and did what they wanted - knowing full well when they would implement certain features (such as MMS and copy/paste).....

"Missing out" implies they unknowingly left out features until it was too late and it caused them to suffer......which, given sales numbers, clearly hasn't been the case.

I don't think Apple just put more effort into the UE - I think they intentionally make it the focus. That is the center of iOS - the UE, especially in apps. Android's focus is on the OS/Customization of the OS.

Two different approaches, both wildly successful and great in their own rights. I find it funny that people can think a company as successful and big as Apple simply flies by the seat of their pants, reacting to every move in the market as if they hadn't thought anything out beforehand....

While certain features may be dictated by a faster/slower market adoption than expected, Apple - and most all of these OEMs - have their devices planned out years in advance.

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I was quoting you and making the comment because that is what you have said to me a couple of time in different threads. You may have not directed that quote at me, but I don't think the other poster was suggesting that every phone should be just alike. We all know people prefer other things.

Ok - but when my comments that I prefer iOS and actually like it better are met with snorts of derision and comments of "fanboy-ism" - essentially insulting my intelligence for not realizing Android's superiority, its hard to assume that you all know people have different preferences.

There's a difference between recognizing people have different preferences and actually seeing that those preferences have value.

I'm not speaking specifically of you - just my encounters with various posters on these forums in general.

 

[bmac4]

No - I simply think Apple had a plan with the iPhone and did what they wanted - knowing full well when they would implement certain features (such as MMS and copy/paste).....

"Missing out" implies they unknowingly left out features until it was too late and it caused them to suffer......which, given sales numbers, clearly hasn't been the case.

I don't think Apple just put more effort into the UE - I think they intentionally make it the focus. That is the center of iOS - the UE, especially in apps. Android's focus is on the OS/Customization of the OS.

Two different approaches, both wildly successful and great in their own rights. I find it funny that people can think a company as successful and big as Apple simply flies by the seat of their pants, reacting to every move in the market as if they hadn't thought anything out beforehand....

While certain features may be dictated by a faster/slower market adoption than expected, Apple - and most all of these OEMs - have their devices planned out years in advance.

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Ok - but when my comments that I prefer iOS and actually like it better are met with snorts of derision and comments of "fanboy-ism" - essentially insulting my intelligence for not realizing Android's superiority, its hard to assume that you all know people have different preferences.

There's a difference between recognizing people have different preferences and actually seeing that those preferences have value.

I'm not speaking specifically of you - just my encounters with various posters on these forums in general.

Oh sure I understand. I think it goes both ways. I get crap and have people tell me I am crazy for liking things about android. I understand that was not directed at me. I just felt it was kind directed at the whole thread. If not sorry. I try to keep an open mind for both android and iOS.

 

[jrswizzle]

Oh sure I understand. I think it goes both ways. I get crap and have people tell me I am crazy for liking things about android. I understand that was not directed at me. I just felt it was kind directed at the whole thread. If not sorry. I try to keep an open mind for both android and iOS.

As do I. Like I've said many times, I really do like both platforms - that is the tech geek in me.

The normal user in me prefers iOS - but I get that it is based off of my use case. Why I try and discuss is the whole notion that the user makes the phone - essentially, I've used my Nexus 4 very similarly to the way I use my iPhone 5. Could that be a product of my familiarity to iOS? Perhaps....but I think it has more to do with simply how I think and use my mobile devices.....I'm Apple's target audience, while the nuances of Android are generally lost on the user in me.....

This is why I get frustrated with Samsung - selling features is a bad idea....they're raking in cash right now, but that type of pitch won't last....

 

[bmac4]

As do I. Like I've said many times, I really do like both platforms - that is the tech geek in me.

The normal user in me prefers iOS - but I get that it is based off of my use case. Why I try and discuss is the whole notion that the user makes the phone - essentially, I've used my Nexus 4 very similarly to the way I use my iPhone 5. Could that be a product of my familiarity to iOS? Perhaps....but I think it has more to do with simply how I think and use my mobile devices.....I'm Apple's target audience, while the nuances of Android are generally lost on the user in me.....

This is why I get frustrated with Samsung - selling features is a bad idea....they're raking in cash right now, but that type of pitch won't last....

Does Apple not sale feature too? Like Siri, maps, notification center, LTE, and 4 inch screen. Feel like they all sell based on features.

 

[Digital Skunk]

No - I simply think Apple had a plan with the iPhone and did what they wanted - knowing full well when they would implement certain features (such as MMS and copy/paste).....

"Missing out" implies they unknowingly left out features until it was too late and it caused them to suffer......which, given sales numbers, clearly hasn't been the case.

I don't think Apple just put more effort into the UE - I think they intentionally make it the focus. That is the center of iOS - the UE, especially in apps. Android's focus is on the OS/Customization of the OS.

Two different approaches, both wildly successful and great in their own rights. I find it funny that people can think a company as successful and big as Apple simply flies by the seat of their pants, reacting to every move in the market as if they hadn't thought anything out beforehand....

While certain features may be dictated by a faster/slower market adoption than expected, Apple - and most all of these OEMs - have their devices planned out years in advance.

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Ok - but when my comments that I prefer iOS and actually like it better are met with snorts of derision and comments of "fanboy-ism" - essentially insulting my intelligence for not realizing Android's superiority, its hard to assume that you all know people have different preferences.

There's a difference between recognizing people have different preferences and actually seeing that those preferences have value.

I'm not speaking specifically of you - just my encounters with various posters on these forums in general.

If you want to put your own definition on "missing out" then sure. I hope I had implied that they "left out" features.

They would've sold millions of phones regardless of missing features. It was the best handset for most folks at the time.

I think everyone overreacts when they think they get called fanboys. I've never seen iOS or Android supports get labeled that to the extent that some would imply. And you jrswizzle, have never come off in that manner. You're a levelheaded conversation driver forum member in my book.

Does Apple not sale feature too? Like Siri, maps, notification center, LTE, and 4 inch screen. Feel like they all sell based on features.

They do. Apple's ecosystem is a feature just as Google services integration is. Some may want to classify them as something else, but tech aficionados know that just about everything on a device is a feature. Some features are more useful to some.

 

[jrswizzle]

Does Apple not sale feature too? Like Siri, maps, notification center, LTE, and 4 inch screen. Feel like they all sell based on features.

Sure they sell some features - but watch the Apple pitch videos they play for new products.....its all about how the device "feels", the apps, the use/experience of the device.

Features are secondary and only serve the overall user experience. Not that I don't get caught up in the specs (because I do - I got blasted for suggesting Apple's next iPhone have a 1080p screen and a quad core processor, even though its relatively unnecessary), but Android is all about this feature, or that feature, or this spec.....when the reality is, you have 13 ways to check the weather, or 5 ways to mute your phone....and each new way doesn't really add any level of convenience....features for the sake of features.

I'm not saying all new things OEMs like Samsung add to their phones are useless.....but there is a lot of redundancy marketed as an "innovative feature".

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If you want to put your own definition on "missing out" then sure. I hope I had implied that they "left out" features.

They would've sold millions of phones regardless of missing features. It was the best handset for most folks at the time.



They do. Apple's ecosystem is a feature just as Google services integration is. Some may want to classify them as something else, but tech aficionados know that just about everything on a device is a feature. Some features are more useful to some.

Lol - so use the words "left out".....I'm not putting my own definition on
"missing out", simply taking the meaning of the phrase and applying it the only way I can.

Yes, Apple has "left out" features - but generally there is a good reason.

 

[bmac4]

Sure they sell some features - but watch the Apple pitch videos they play for new products.....its all about how the device "feels", the apps, the use/experience of the device.

Features are secondary and only serve the overall user experience. Not that I don't get caught up in the specs (because I do - I got blasted for suggesting Apple's next iPhone have a 1080p screen and a quad core processor, even though its relatively unnecessary), but Android is all about this feature, or that feature, or this spec.....when the reality is, you have 13 ways to check the weather, or 5 ways to mute your phone....and each new way doesn't really add any level of convenience....features for the sake of features.

I'm not saying all new things OEMs like Samsung add to their phones are useless.....but there is a lot of redundancy marketed as an "innovative feature".

Yes I agree. Apple sells more of the simpleness of the iphone. Android sells openness. Which is what we have been talking about all along. That is the different between the 2.

I prefer android in most cases, but like you I am trying both. As I said before the battery being a strong point for The iphone. I just don't get it. I can't get good battery life on my iphone. Other than that I really do like iOS, but that one fault is about to drive me away.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Sure they sell some features - but watch the Apple pitch videos they play for new products.....its all about how the device "feels", the apps, the use/experience of the device.

Features are secondary and only serve the overall user experience. Not that I don't get caught up in the specs (because I do - I got blasted for suggesting Apple's next iPhone have a 1080p screen and a quad core processor, even though its relatively unnecessary), but Android is all about this feature, or that feature, or this spec.....when the reality is, you have 13 ways to check the weather, or 5 ways to mute your phone....and each new way doesn't really add any level of convenience....features for the sake of features.

I'm not saying all new things OEMs like Samsung add to their phones are useless.....but there is a lot of redundancy marketed as an "innovative feature".

Apple may classify number of apps, experience, etc. as something other than a feature . . but in the end it's still a feature. It may not be linked directly to the device, say, as Google's cloud services are, but in the end, they are still just features.

Lol - so use the words "left out".....I'm not putting my own definition on
"missing out", simply taking the meaning of the phrase and applying it the only way I can.

Yes, Apple has "left out" features - but generally there is a good reason.

To you they may be different, but missing out on those early features is the same as left out, or taken out (although that would imply that they were there to start) or just plain old missing, or removed.

In the end, I mean to say that features in dumb phones were absent from a phone that cost 4x as much in place of a better user experience. At the time, people had to choose which route they wanted to go.

 

[jrswizzle]

Apple may classify number of apps, experience, etc. as something other than a feature . . but in the end it's still a feature. It may not be linked directly to the device, say, as Google's cloud services are, but in the end, they are still just features.

Sure - but they SELL the experience.....that's all part of being a good salesperson. You don't tell someone "Well its got this feature and that feature." You paint a picture of how those features seamlessly integrate into the users daily life - selling the experience one can have when owning the device.

This is why Apple sells as many iDevices as they do.

To you they may be different, but missing out on those early features is the same as left out, or taken out (although that would imply that they were there to start) or just plain old missing, or removed.

In the end, I mean to say that features in dumb phones were absent from a phone that cost 4x as much in place of a better user experience. At the time, people had to choose which route they wanted to go.

Well - my mistake. In my mind, if I miss out on something, I wasn't necessarily choosing to do so and it often is accompanied by some sadness that I missed out on said event/item.

I understand what you were saying and I agree. But I'm also of the mind they left out certain features for legitimate reasons.....keep in mind, I wasn't an iPhone user before the 3GS (stuck on T-Mobile back then).....and I generally am not an early adopter with a major innovation like that.....iPad mini 1st gen? Sure, I already knew what the iPad experience was like - but the iPhone was too pricey for me to "test out" at the time.

 

[Tinmania]

No - I simply think Apple had a plan with the iPhone and did what they wanted - knowing full well when they would implement certain features (such as MMS and copy/paste).....

As someone who was around when the iPhone was released, and who tore into it early on, I disagree.

What I saw after getting into it (manual jailbreaking it) was a great beginning. But it seemed like they were lucky to get it out on time, let alone intentionally waiting on future features they could have implemented.

Heck, everything ran as root back in those days. Why would it matter, since the iPhone was not going to be running user-installed apps. I doubt Steve Jobs was joking when he said just web apps and about a rogue app taking down AT&T's network would be bad (Cingular then). Clearly, Apple changed direction on apps.




Michael

 

[jrswizzle]

As someone who was around when the iPhone was released, and who tore into it early on, I disagree.

What I saw after getting into it (manual jailbreaking it) was a great beginning. But it seemed like they were lucky to get it out on time, let alone intentionally waiting on future features they could have implemented.

Heck, everything ran as root back in those days. Why would it matter, since the iPhone was not going to be running user-installed apps. I doubt Steve Jobs was joking when he said just web apps and about a rogue app taking down AT&T's network would be bad (Cingular then). Clearly, Apple changed direction on apps.




Michael

Agreed - their direction on "apps" certainly changed as almost an entire industry popped up with the smartphone boom....like I said - I was stuck on T-Mobile at the time and the original iPhone was too expensive for me - not an early adopter so I never experienced the pre cut/paste, MMS days.....which were relatively quickly added.

Still doesn't negate that most of these companies have multi-year plans and roadmaps.....they may deviate some, but given the complexity of the devices, they HAVE to be planned in advance. Things like NFC and LTE - features that were widely seen as disadvantages for Apple - have been planned based on various factors.....for example, Apple added LTE when the Qualcomm chip they wanted came out - battery life was an issue and LTE was not widespread.....

I think as far as these types of features go, Apple implements a more mature version later, while Android implements the bleeding-edge version and updates as it is out.

Though this isn't the case for everything - which furthers my belief that they have a plan for most, if not all, the features they release.

 

[bmac4]

Agreed - their direction on "apps" certainly changed as almost an entire industry popped up with the smartphone boom....like I said - I was stuck on T-Mobile at the time and the original iPhone was too expensive for me - not an early adopter so I never experienced the pre cut/paste, MMS days.....which were relatively quickly added.

Still doesn't negate that most of these companies have multi-year plans and roadmaps.....they may deviate some, but given the complexity of the devices, they HAVE to be planned in advance. Things like NFC and LTE - features that were widely seen as disadvantages for Apple - have been planned based on various factors.....for example, Apple added LTE when the Qualcomm chip they wanted came out - battery life was an issue and LTE was not widespread.....

I think as far as these types of features go, Apple implements a more mature version later, while Android implements the bleeding-edge version and updates as it is out.

Though this isn't the case for everything - which furthers my belief that they have a plan for most, if not all, the features they release.

I would tend to agree with most of that. The problem with android is there so many OMEs making phones that they try features that may not be ready. I think Google with the nexus devices have a plan, but some of the others don't have as clear of a plan. LTE was brought out way to early for android. Now though things seem pretty good.

I would not say Apples adding LTE on the 5 was a home run. Like I have said before it still does effect the battery, but they did do a better job with battery than android did at first.

 

[bmac4]

This thread is kind of old, but I thought I would add something to it that kind of fit. Now I am over the whole Apple being behind the curve thing. I think they do what they need to do, and we all know it works. Apple just seems more mysterious then ever. Here is why I feel this way.

So I was just watching a review of the One. It got me thinking about the screen, and screens of other flagship smartphones. So for the longest time Apple has been able to say their iPhone Retina display is one if not the best screens. It was one of the things that the iPhone still could say it had better specs in. Now with the One that is gone. The PPI is insane.

What I was also thinking is the Retina display kind of started the high resolution displays on smartphones. Now though the iPhone 5 display seems not so great. I don't think we will see an update of the screen in the iPhone 5s, so Apple will go another year without updating the display? At that point will they bring something so much better than 1080p that it want matter? I kind of doubt it. Do Apple and iPhone users not care? It seems iPhone users like to talk about how the iPhone is better, but the screen is not one of the things they can do that with anymore.

Where is Apple going? It does not seem like the same Apple. Not caring about having this and that is something different. It use to be they let the world know what they had first. There does not seem to be firsts anymore. Is the iPhone 6 were "Everything changes again"? Will we see a smartphone ever do that again?

Disclaimer: this is not me saying the sky is falling for Apple. Just kind of want to see your guys thoughts on what kind of direction they are going in. Some people are saying The One is the best android phone they have ever tested. With that said I want to know where that puts Apple for this years phone and the future.

 

[strausd]

This thread is kind of old, but I thought I would add something to it that kind of fit. Now I am over the whole Apple being behind the curve thing. I think they do what they need to do, and we all know it works. Apple just seems more mysterious then ever. Here is why I feel this way.

So I was just watching a review of the One. It got me thinking about the screen, and screens of other flagship smartphones. So for the longest time Apple has been able to say their iPhone Retina display is one if not the best screens. It was one of the things that the iPhone still could say it had better specs in. Now with the One that is gone. The PPI is insane.

What I was also thinking is the Retina display kind of started the high resolution displays on smartphones. Now though the iPhone 5 display seems not so great. I don't think we will see an update of the screen in the iPhone 5s, so Apple will go another year without updating the display? At that point will they bring something so much better than 1080p that it want matter? I kind of doubt it. Do Apple and iPhone users not care? It seems iPhone users like to talk about how the iPhone is better, but the screen is not one of the things they can do that with anymore.

Where is Apple going? It does not seem like the same Apple. Not caring about having this and that is something different. It use to be they let the world know what they had first. There does not seem to be firsts anymore. Is the iPhone 6 were "Everything changes again"? Will we see a smartphone ever do that again?

Disclaimer: this is not me saying the sky is falling for Apple. Just kind of want to see your guys thoughts on what kind of direction they are going in. Some people are saying The One is the best android phone they have ever tested. With that said I want to know where that puts Apple for this years phone and the future.

I think Apple is comfortable with the user experience the iPhone offers. Being able to put a bigger number on a specs page in comparison to an Android phone has never been Apple's goal. They just wanted the screen to look sharp, and at 326 ppi it does look sharp. Granted, it can be sharper and higher res, but I think they are comfortable.

And I think that could be their downfall. In this industry, getting comfortable means you aren't pushing yourself. And if their stock prices are any indication, they need to start pushing pretty hard real soon.