Apple used to be ahead of the curve

[Paradoxally]

Have you ever used an android phone before? That is a naive to say NFC is something no one uses.

'nearly no one uses'

I didn't say no one used. It's different. And yes, I have used multiple Android phones before and NFC has always been off. I think this post sums up a pretty good opinion that I agree with.

Okay, sure, you can send photos, maps, music, anything just by tapping two phones together...but I think having a share button on any app is way better because that way I can share it with ANYONE and not just people who probably don't have NFC anyway because they either don't have an Android NFC phone or have iPhones.

If the iPhone had NFC, it would become way more popular.

 

[tjl3]

Woah, if true: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Report-Apple-looking-for-new-CEO_id42184

Report: Apple looking for new CEO

That would be huge news! Too bad Forbes has one line along the words of "Wall Street sources" and "no evidence".

Tim Cook is the scapegoat here. How often do you see a CEO rise to the challenge and invent the product of the company's future. Steve Jobs is a unique situation. It'll be interesting if this is true because I can't even invision who apple could plug in to be the 2nd coming of Steve Jobs.

Be worried Steve Ballmer

 

[bmac4]

'nearly no one uses'

I didn't say no one used. It's different. And yes, I have used multiple Android phones before and NFC has always been off. I think this post sums up a pretty good opinion that I agree with.

Okay, sure, you can send photos, maps, music, anything just by tapping two phones together...but I think having a share button on any app is way better because that way I can share it with ANYONE and not just people who probably don't have NFC anyway because they either don't have an Android NFC phone or have iPhones.

If the iPhone had NFC, it would become way more popular.

Yea well that last sentence sums up my comment of you being naive. You can go somewhere else with those type of statements.

 

[Apollo 13]

Just watch this video review of the S4 and you'll see why Apple is "falling behind the curve."

When was the last time you saw a smartphone review like this? Seriously.

YouTube: video

would wait for more reviews...Korean guy reviewing a Korean phone and show a bunch of videos with PSY who is also Korean. Just saying

 

[Apollo 13]

Yea well that last sentence sums up my comment of you being naive. You can go somewhere else with those type of statements.

actually he's right with that last statement. Once the the iphone gets NFC it will be more mainstream and you'll see more accessories coming out that supports it. NFC isn't really being used and most ppl don't use it those are all true statements if you like it or not.

 

[bmac4]

actually he's right with that last statement. Once the the iphone gets NFC it will be more mainstream and you'll see more accessories coming out that supports it. NFC isn't really being used and most ppl don't use it those are all true statements if you like it or not.

Sure keep telling yourself that. Us android users use it all the time. Your naive "anything Apple adds to the iPhone becomes mainstream" idea is so rose colored glasses it is crazy. I guess you also think LTE was not mainstream until the iPhone added? Maybe one day you will learn the work does not revolve around Apple.

 

[Apollo 13]

Sure keep telling yourself that. Us android users use it all the time. Your naive "anything Apple adds to the iPhone becomes mainstream" idea is so rose colored glasses it is crazy. I guess you also think LTE was not mainstream until the iPhone added? Maybe one day you will learn the work does not revolve around Apple.

can't use it all the time when there's not much you can use it on. I'm a realist not naive. Trust me I use to be on here defending android left and right even use to say it was smooth as butter (lie). I wasn't a realist at the time I just wanted ppl to think my android device was better then their Apple devices, and was actually making myself believe such a thing. I just know that when Apple comes out with NFC on their devices more companies will produce NFC compatible equipment and it will be more mainstream.

 

[cynics]

actually he's right with that last statement. Once the the iphone gets NFC it will be more mainstream and you'll see more accessories coming out that supports it. NFC isn't really being used and most ppl don't use it those are all true statements if you like it or not.

This is because you and I cant use it, therefore we dont look for it and usually consider it useless.

However if you pay attention you can find a lot of uses for it. NFC tags is a big one, I'm constantly diving into the settings of iOS to do something like turning on and off bluetooth and wifi. Turning on and off do not disturb. With NFC tags I could conveniently turn that stuff on and off based on location.

Then you have payments. A LOT of chain stores accept a form of NFC payment.

McDonalds
GAP
7-11
Wawa
Foot Locker
Gap
Lowes
Home Depot
Old Navy
Walgreens
Rite Aid
Assorted gas stations
Etc etc probably 2 dozen more places

Then the transferring of files between devices. This is something we probably overlook because iOS doesnt have much of a file system or at least one we can access very well. So I dont really have too much files on my phone, the ones I do have I can generally email although it seems iOS fights me from doing that. I'm not talking links to youtube videos or goofy pictures of drunk friends, those can just be sent in messages. I'm talking files that youd generally use your PC/Mac to send.

Regardless thpoint I'm trying to make is that you and I dont have a device that uses the technology therefore we dont look for uses for the technology which then appears to be.....useless. Personally I'd welcome it to the iphone and I'd love to see what apple comes up with.

Unfortunately for Apple, Samsung has the drop on them with its copy of Passbook. While the app works the same as Passbook currently with Samsungs recent deal with Visa we'll probably see NFC payment very soon via the app. Samsung has plenty of devices out that just need a software update to make it work since the hardware is already there. Unlike Apple that doesnt have the hardware in any of their devices on the market...

Edit, I took this not too long ago. Coke machine that takes NFC payment. They have been around for about 4 years.

 

[bmac4]

This is because you and I cant use it, therefore we dont look for it and usually consider it useless.

However if you pay attention you can find a lot of uses for it. NFC tags is a big one, I'm constantly diving into the settings of iOS to do something like turning on and off bluetooth and wifi. Turning on and off do not disturb. With NFC tags I could conveniently turn that stuff on and off based on location.

Then you have payments. A LOT of chain stores accept a form of NFC payment.

McDonalds
GAP
7-11
Wawa
Foot Locker
Gap
Lowes
Home Depot
Old Navy
Walgreens
Rite Aid
Assorted gas stations
Etc etc probably 2 dozen more places

Then the transferring of files between devices. This is something we probably overlook because iOS doesnt have much of a file system or at least one we can access very well. So I dont really have too much files on my phone, the ones I do have I can generally email although it seems iOS fights me from doing that. I'm not talking links to youtube videos or goofy pictures of drunk friends, those can just be sent in messages. I'm talking files that youd generally use your PC/Mac to send.

Regardless thpoint I'm trying to make is that you and I dont have a device that uses the technology therefore we dont look for uses for the technology which then appears to be.....useless. Personally I'd welcome it to the iphone and I'd love to see what apple comes up with.

Unfortunately for Apple, Samsung has the drop on them with its copy of Passbook. While the app works the same as Passbook currently with Samsungs recent deal with Visa we'll probably see NFC payment very soon via the app. Samsung has plenty of devices out that just need a software update to make it work since the hardware is already there. Unlike Apple that doesnt have the hardware in any of their devices on the market...

Edit, I took this not too long ago. Coke machine that takes NFC payment. They have been around for about 4 years.

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Thank you I did not want to get into all this.

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can't use it all the time when there's not much you can use it on. I'm a realist not naive. Trust me I use to be on here defending android left and right even use to say it was smooth as butter (lie). I wasn't a realist at the time I just wanted ppl to think my android device was better then their Apple devices, and was actually making myself believe such a thing. I just know that when Apple comes out with NFC on their devices more companies will produce NFC compatible equipment and it will be more mainstream.

I am not saying this because I think my android phone is better. NFC being huge already is a fact. I am sorry you don't have it, but the reality is NFC is everywhere but on the iPhone right now. It is big now without Apple, and will grow when or if Apple put it on the iPhone.

Here is a video you should check out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp5il7yhM4Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Paradoxally]

I am not saying this because I think my android phone is better. NFC being huge already is a fact. I am sorry you don't have it, but the reality is NFC is everywhere but on the iPhone right now. It is big now without Apple, and will grow when or if Apple put it on the iPhone.

But that's what I said and you called me naive.

A bit contradictory, no?

Most of the world does not need NFC (yet, at least), they don't even know what it is. It's far from being 'big'. In the US, yeah sure it might be 'huge', but in the rest of the world I can assure you that its use for mobile payments (at the very least) is extremely limited.

Will it come on the iPhone? Time will tell, but if Apple pull the Flash route we will never see it on there.

 

[mattopotamus]

I do not see how anyone can disagree with the statement, "NFC is not really widely used."

Yes, some people are using it, but most are not. I did not just make this up. This is what I have seen in real life usage. If apple did incorporate NFC it would make it more mainstream b.c, like someone else pointed out, more accessories would become available. Outside of payment methods, NFC currently does things that may not be needed. A lot of people leave things like wifi, bluetooth, do not distrurb, alarms, etc on 24/7. Having a tag to toggle them is just unnecessary. If more apps and products like lights, alarms, and door locks started using the tags then they would be a lot more useful outside of the payment realm.

 

[bmac4]

But that's what I said and you called me naive.

A bit contradictory, no?

Most of the world does not need NFC (yet, at least), they don't even know what it is. It's far from being 'big'. In the US, yeah sure it might be 'huge', but in the rest of the world I can assure you that its use for mobile payments (at the very least) is extremely limited.

Will it come on the iPhone? Time will tell, but if Apple pull the Flash route we will never see it on there.

OK you can continue to live in your Apple bubble. I don't think my android phone is better. I think NFC is a lot bigger than you think. I called you naive because you think that a feature only becomes mainstream when Apple uses it, or at least you think that with NFC. If you have no better argument than "NFC is not big now, but if Apple adds it to the iPhone it will become mainstream" then I am done with this discussion. I did not start this thread up again to argue android being better than iOS.

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I do not see how anyone can disagree with the statement, "NFC is not really widely used."

Yes, some people are using it, but most are not. I did not just make this up. This is what I have seen in real life usage. If apple did incorporate NFC it would make it more mainstream b.c, like someone else pointed out, more accessories would become available. Outside of payment methods, NFC currently does things that may not be needed. A lot of people leave things like wifi, bluetooth, do not distrurb, alarms, etc on 24/7. Having a tag to toggle them is just unnecessary. If more apps and products like lights, alarms, and door locks started using the tags then they would be a lot more useful outside of the payment realm.

I will say this again I did not start posting again on this thread to argue android or iOS being better. NFC is way more than just placing tags places and I will leave it at that. This is getting us no were. If you want to argue if NFC is popular now or will be if iOS adds it then start a thread. These argument just seem pointless.

 

[cynics]

But that's what I said and you called me naive.

A bit contradictory, no?

Most of the world does not need NFC (yet, at least), they don't even know what it is. It's far from being 'big'. In the US, yeah sure it might be 'huge', but in the rest of the world I can assure you that its use for mobile payments (at the very least) is extremely limited.

Will it come on the iPhone? Time will tell, but if Apple pull the Flash route we will never see it on there.

I'd say NFC payment is MORE popular and used in countries other then the US. I actually think Apple being so popular in the US is what holds it back some here.

People here usually have the opposite argument saying if they lived in other countries where NFC is more popular then they'd want it. I was reading a post on here the other day about a member using it for a rail system in Japan.

Obviously it will become more popular for iPhone users if the iPhone gets it. You can say that about anything. Gas stations were suddenly more popular and mainstream when I got my first car. Up until then I hardly noticed them.

 

[bmac4]

I'd say NFC payment is MORE popular and used in countries other then the US. I actually think Apple being so popular in the US is what holds it back some here.

People here usually have the opposite argument saying if they lived in other countries where NFC is more popular then they'd want it. I was reading a post on here the other day about a member using it for a rail system in Japan.

Obviously it will become more popular for iPhone users if the iPhone gets it. You can say that about anything. Gas stations were suddenly more popular and mainstream when I got my first car. Up until then I hardly noticed them.

I like your point about others countries using it. Some times us Americans think we live in this bubble and it is only us that matters. Sorry to say there is a whole big world out there other than just the US of A. Europe has a huge smartphone using population. NFC and whatever else features iOS does not have may not be as mainstream as they would if iOS had them here in America, but around the world is another question.

 

[bmac4]

It honestly seems to me Apple believes they have made the iPhone just about as good as it can get it. I think they believe people think the same thing. It seems they might be right too. I think as I stated before they may have hit the sweet spot, but I keep seeing post like these from Apple fans:

I dont know what exactly you are missing on the iphone 5, but yet again I agree and think the iphone lacks a lot of innovation. Sadly I think 5s will be the same phone with slightly better camera and a slightly better cpu, which is just meh!. I´m sad to say I´ve gotten a bit bored of the iphone updates, the changes have become incremental. Seems apple thinks they have made the perfect phone and therefore thinks there´s no point making something new. I will probably buy the iphone 5s, even though I have the 5, but I doubt there´s much reason to do so except just for the heck of it. I do believe Apple has to ramp up their innovative team again, because at this point, even an apple fan like myself have no really good reason to say that people should stay away from Android phones like samsung, HTC and Sony...they are getting stuff that makes the iphone just seem a bit out of date in some areas....and I know a lot of the things are impractical or just flavor stuff, but still we need those things too....the phone is suppose to be more than just a useful device, the way apple market it, its suppose to be cool, a fashion statement ...etc...

this is the stuff I miss the most:

-bigger screen (yeah I know apple think my fingers won´t like it - but they are wrong, they should release 2 sizes and see for themselves)

-new cool ui, innovative and yet practical changes that makes it fun again to look at the screen while at the same time making it even more useful. This is probably were I feel Apple has truly stagnated - the current main screen and lock screen UI is simple to use, but it´s also extremely boring and limited. I don´t say android is better UI but its getting more interesting every day. And UI is suppose to be one of apples strongest abilities. THere´s been ton of ideas and videos from people having great ideas for iOS, I dont understand why apple isn´t able to take something of that and use to their advantage. Others stole from apple and are improving it in a faster rate than them.

-get a better streamlined design on ios and apples apps, get rid of all that horrible skeumorphic cheezyness that doesnt even help ignorant users.

-an even more sturdy exterior design. the iphone 5 build quality is great, but the phone gets scuffs and marks like never before.

-Siri has been out 2 years now and it still only support a few languages. Come on Apple ?!?!?

-Maps is completely useless. Its gorgeous but useless. I was lucky in the beginning, but suddenly I got tons wrong directions, to the extent I´ll never use it again unless Apple announce it´s worth a try again. Google maps app looks almost as good while actually being accurate.

-how about an actual improvement to the battery for once ? Since 3ds the battery has just shortened more and more for every model. On iphone 5 it lasts a day if you use it carefully. It´s time for a revolution here.

Is Apple making the iPhone like they make their computers. You really don't need a new one for 3 or 4 years? My mom and sister bought the iPhone 4 earlier this year, and could not be happier. It seems that these are the types of people that are average iPhone users. Apple does not seem to be selling to tech people because we want change too much for Apple. Sure the 4s is faster than the 4, but really the iPhone 4 is still a great phone. The iPhone 4 will still be a good phone in a year. That would put it at 4 years old. Really kind of amazing what they have created.

Apple ran me off after the iPhone 4 because I got bored. I tried the iPhone 5 for a couple of months, and again it left me wanting more. The iPhone 5 is a great phone, but for a tech guy like myself I just wanted to tinker with it. I did jailbreak it, but it was so unstable it was not worth it.

The iPhone is a great phone that seems to not have to get much better. It does not fit my need for customization, but it works for most average smartphone users. I just did not think a smartphone could get to a point where the iPhone is. Good enough not to be redesigned each year, and most don't have to update for at least 2 years.

 

[jamojamo]

Same for me. I'm 47 and the iPhone screen is just getting too small to see without my reading glasses on. Now with alternative phones with larger screens, my next phone will unlikely be an iPhone.

My wife, who is 29 btw according to what I am allowed to say, is switching to the S4 or One because of screen size only.

Also, the demographics are trending to having more and more in that "ancient group" of over 50 and despite all the specs, integration, "fluidity" arguments the main thing people see if the screen - and if it's too small to use comfortably then who cares about the rest?

 

[bmac4]

My wife, who is 29 btw according to what I am allowed to say, is switching to the S4 or One because of screen size only.

Also, the demographics are trending to having more and more in that "ancient group" of over 50 and despite all the specs, integration, "fluidity" arguments the main thing people see if the screen - and if it's too small to use comfortably then who cares about the rest?

Thanks for your thoughts. I wish I could update this thread and add a pole on people switching or staying. Sorry I did not think of a pole when I first started this.

 

[Kashsystems]

My wife, who is 29 btw according to what I am allowed to say, is switching to the S4 or One because of screen size only.

Size does matter!!!!

 

[2298754]

would wait for more reviews...Korean guy reviewing a Korean phone and show a bunch of videos with PSY who is also Korean. Just saying

what a dumb statement.

does that mean every Taiwanese person is a HTC fanboy/

 

[Tinmania]

would wait for more reviews...Korean guy reviewing a Korean phone and show a bunch of videos with PSY who is also Korean. Just saying

Yes I know. It was hard to understand what he was saying with that thick Californian accent.



Michael

 

[thehustleman]

note 2, s4, htc one everyone is making great phones except apple. the thing is tim cook is not capable of handling apple the way steve jobs did, 'nuf said.

All jobs did was make things look good and steal ideas.

Read his book "jobs" (or what should have been called "jobs was furious") you would think that book would paint him as a great guy, but no, you really see what type of @$$hole he was. He's great for stealing ideas and claiming them as his own.

Johnny Ive had more to do with it than anything

 

[dontpannic]

I want it back. I want my iphone to feel like something everyone says "wow" about. Right now the iphone does not really say "wow" that is now the note 2. Sure it is a huge phone and that is not for everyone, but you can't tell me when you see the note 2 you don't say "wow that is a cool looking phone".

No, I think "What the hell is that?"

I also think - why such a big phone, who needs a screen that size (apart from people with poor eyesight, or who want a 'hip' or 'cool' image showing off on the streets).

Android has grown in popularity because its maturing. People are not suddenly buying bigger phones because that's the new trend, people are buying big phones because that's the only real option you have when it comes to Android phones.

Manufacturers have wrongly correlated the Android Popularity/Screen Size figures and have gone mad with it.

 

[bmac4]

No, I think "What the hell is that?"

I also think - why such a big phone, who needs a screen that size (apart from people with poor eyesight, or who want a 'hip' or 'cool' image showing off on the streets).

Android has grown in popularity because its maturing. People are not suddenly buying bigger phones because that's the new trend, people are buying big phones because that's the only real option you have when it comes to Android phones.

Manufacturers have wrongly correlated the Android Popularity/Screen Size figures and have gone mad with it.

I find it funny that this thread is still being posted on. So you are going to throw out the hip or cool card with the note 2? I pretty sure that is why half the people that own an iPhone that is the reason they have them.

 

[sentinelsx]

I would rather see Apple make a 4.5 inch screen or bigger iPhone than put NFC. Lack of NFC i can easily deal with, that small screen annoys me.

I also hope that does not mean they stop making the 4 inch one. More like a variant with identical specs. I am not so blind to admit that many people around would not like a bigger screen as much as I do.

 

[zbarvian]

I would rather see Apple make a 4.5 inch screen or bigger iPhone than put NFC. Lack of NFC i can easily deal with, that small screen annoys me.

I also hope that does not mean they stop making the 4 inch one. More like a variant with identical specs. I am not so blind to admit that many people around would not like a bigger screen as much as I do.

Same. I don't see why they can't offer multiple screen sizes like they do with almost all their other product lines.