Apple used to be ahead of the curve

[bmac4]

Seriously? The concept of choice is really lost on you isn't it? Wow...

No it is not. I like android I have said that from the beginning, but what you don't get is just because android does it one way does not mean it is the right way. If Apple make a bigger phone would that not mean people don't get a choice? You would then have to have a bigger phone if you wanted an iPhone. Yea that seems like choice to me.

 

[onthecouchagain]

No it is not. I like android I have said that from the beginning, but what you don't get is just because android does it one way does not mean it is the right way. If Apple make a bigger phone would that not mean people don't get a choice? You would then have to have a bigger phone if you wanted an iPhone. Yea that seems like choice to me.

I really can't tell if you're being intentionally dense or not. Good luck man.

 

[bmac4]

I really can't tell if you're being intentionally dense or not. Good luck man.

Oh so because I do not agree that Apple needs a bigger phone, and adding different keyboard is a requirement I am dense. So but your opinion is not the only one that matters.

 

[jrswizzle]

It's a nice narrative that you're trying to weave that iOS fans don't think that way anymore. If only it were true. You, sir, yourself just pointed to your own double standard in a post to me moments ago regarding applauding Apple for adding features you admittedly will not use versus when you berated Samsung for adding features that are seemingly useless (Hey, I don't even disagree with you per se -- I wouldn't use eye scrolling over thumb scrolling if I could help it, but I'm not bashing them for trying to push technology in new directions. I don't bash Apple for doing the same.)

Again, this isn't -- and never really was, for me anyway -- about who's copying who. In fact, I implore Apple to copy more (like I implored Google to copy more when they were clearly behind on battery technology, for example. Today, my HTC One lasts longer than any phone I've ever ever owned. It's ridiculous). I hope Apple copies the swiping for their keyboard. iOS 8, maybe.

And this is only talking about software.

When are we going to get a notification light? When are we going to get screen size options? Dual front facing speakers? This year, maybe? Or 2014? Again, copy away, Apple. Anytime you're ready.

Ok - clearly missed my points by either skimming my posts or simply ignoring the points.....

I'm not saying ALL Apple fans think or don't think a certain way. Stop clinging to "all-or-nothing" generalizations. I was simply pointing out that characterizing all Apple fans like you do in your posts isn't constructive at all and only serves to fuel these pointless flame wars. I implore you to "think differently" and instead post constructively and try to ignore the idiocy.

As for my own "double standard", I've already explained why this is the case. It's not because I think differently about Apple and Samsung, in fact it's because I, as a consumer, have a certain set of preferences and needs that I use to compare devices and ecosystems. My thinking about mobile devices generally is a "whole ecosystem" though rather than a "feature-by-feature" comparison.

In this I find iOS's addition of these features (which I never said I wouldn't use, only that I didn't NEED them.....again necessity and usefulness are not the same) welcome because the bigger picture is there for me - ecosystem, sharing with my family and friends who all use iOS devices, my own iPad and iMac, Apple TVs etc...whereas Samsung's features seem to me like a hodgepodge of features I wouldn't use and only serve to bog down the experience of an already limited ecosystem (for me).

Do you understand? I hope I don't need to explain this a third time......

As for why you are so distraught with Apple even after iOS 7 - let me see if I get your list straight (These are the reasons iOS isn't on Android's level):

-No notification light
-No screen size options
-No default app setting
-No updated keyboard

Anything else? This doesn't seem like a list that would make someone keel over from using it. Of course, this is all assuming you are thinking of iOS objectively and aren't letting preferences into it.

 

[bmac4]

Ok - clearly missed my points by either skimming my posts or simply ignoring the points.....

I'm not saying ALL Apple fans think or don't think a certain way. Stop clinging to "all-or-nothing" generalizations. I was simply pointing out that characterizing all Apple fans like you do in your posts isn't constructive at all and only serves to fuel these pointless flame wars. I implore you to "think differently" and instead post constructively and try to ignore the idiocy.

As for my own "double standard", I've already explained why this is the case. It's not because I think differently about Apple and Samsung, in fact it's because I, as a consumer, have a certain set of preferences and needs that I use to compare devices and ecosystems. My thinking about mobile devices generally is a "whole ecosystem" though rather than a "feature-by-feature" comparison.

In this I find iOS's addition of these features (which I never said I wouldn't use, only that I didn't NEED them.....again necessity and usefulness are not the same) welcome because the bigger picture is there for me - ecosystem, sharing with my family and friends who all use iOS devices, my own iPad and iMac, Apple TVs etc...whereas Samsung's features seem to me like a hodgepodge of features I wouldn't use and only serve to bog down the experience of an already limited ecosystem (for me).

Do you understand? I hope I don't need to explain this a third time......

As for why you are so distraught with Apple even after iOS 7 - let me see if I get your list straight (These are the reasons iOS isn't on Android's level):

-No notification light
-No screen size options
-No default app setting
-No updated keyboard

Anything else? This doesn't seem like a list that would make someone keel over from using it. Of course, this is all assuming you are thinking of iOS objectively and aren't letting preferences into it.

I totally agree, but if you don't agree with couch you are wrong. I have been trying to says choice is not everything, but he can't let go of that.

 

[SprSynJn]

Oh so because I do not agree that Apple needs a bigger phone, and adding different keyboard is a requirement I am dense. So but your opinion is not the only one that matters.

Might want to consider blocking him. I've done it. His "Apple is now joining the future by making something other companies make" and other such malarky really got tiring for me. Just ignore him.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Oh so because I do not agree that Apple needs a bigger phone, and adding different keyboard is a requirement I am dense. So but your opinion is not the only one that matters.

You really think the iPhone 5s will suddenly be discontinued don't you?

The iPhone 4 (not 4s) is still around just so you know.

 

[paulsalter]

If Apple make a bigger phone would that not mean people don't get a choice? You would then have to have a bigger phone if you wanted an iPhone. Yea that seems like choice to me.

Why would you have to get the bigger iPhone?

Apple to offer 2 new sizes alongside the current size is what the rumour is reading like

Surely this is better choice for the buyer

 

[onthecouchagain]

Ok - clearly missed my points by either skimming my posts or simply ignoring the points.....

I'm not saying ALL Apple fans think or don't think a certain way. Stop clinging to "all-or-nothing" generalizations. I was simply pointing out that characterizing all Apple fans like you do in your posts isn't constructive at all and only serves to fuel these pointless flame wars. I implore you to "think differently" and instead post constructively and try to ignore the idiocy.

As for my own "double standard", I've already explained why this is the case. It's not because I think differently about Apple and Samsung, in fact it's because I, as a consumer, have a certain set of preferences and needs that I use to compare devices and ecosystems. My thinking about mobile devices generally is a "whole ecosystem" though rather than a "feature-by-feature" comparison.

In this I find iOS's addition of these features (which I never said I wouldn't use, only that I didn't NEED them.....again necessity and usefulness are not the same) welcome because the bigger picture is there for me - ecosystem, sharing with my family and friends who all use iOS devices, my own iPad and iMac, Apple TVs etc...whereas Samsung's features seem to me like a hodgepodge of features I wouldn't use and only serve to bog down the experience of an already limited ecosystem (for me).

Do you understand? I hope I don't need to explain this a third time......

As for why you are so distraught with Apple even after iOS 7 - let me see if I get your list straight (These are the reasons iOS isn't on Android's level):

-No notification light
-No screen size options
-No default app setting
-No updated keyboard

Anything else? This doesn't seem like a list that would make someone keel over from using it. Of course, this is all assuming you are thinking of iOS objectively and aren't letting preferences into it.

Distraught? OK...

 

[jrswizzle]

Distraught? OK...

Poor choice of a word? But is that seriously all you have as a response?

 

[bmac4]

You really think the iPhone 5s will suddenly be discontinued don't you?

The iPhone 4 (not 4s) is still around just so you know.

Offer to older phones as the small version is not really choice. You will not have the latest technology from Apple. That is like Microsoft yesterday telling user that can be connected to the Internet to the Xbox 360. How stupid is that?

 

[jrswizzle]

No it is not. I like android I have said that from the beginning, but what you don't get is just because android does it one way does not mean it is the right way. If Apple make a bigger phone would that not mean people don't get a choice? You would then have to have a bigger phone if you wanted an iPhone. Yea that seems like choice to me.

In all fairness, I agree with Couch on the size issue.....here's how I see it playing out:

Currently, Apple releases and new iPhone each year and keeps the previous two as the cheaper options (for instance currently we have the iPhone 4, 4S and 5).

I think what we'll see sometime next year is the discontinuation of the older models (existing inventory will be sold off at cheaper prices of course) and this in its place:

cheap iPhone 16 GB - $0 on contract/$399 off contract
cheap iPhone 32 GB - $99 on contract/$499 off contract
iPhone "5S" (current 4" iPhone) - $199 (16GB), $299 (32GB), $399 (64GB) on contract / current prices unsubsidized
larger iPhone (5"+?) - $299 (16GB), $399 (32GB), $499 (64GB) on contract / $100 more than the current 4" iPhone unsubsidized in each storage category

I think we'll also see some performance enhancements along with the larger screen to make the 5" iPhone worth the extra money.

This lineup will get updated each year with the existing model being "discontinued" in stores (updates will still happen). Pricing this way allows for the larger iPhone's profit margin to help offset the cheap iPhone's margins (especially with the clamour for a larger iPhone, I'd bet plenty will move to it even at a higher price).

Not only will this appease shareholders and lift profits closer to where Apple is accustom to, but it will also appease consumers and open up brand new markets for Apple in the low-end and large size verticals.

Then we can see how Android's marketshare holds when they have competition in two areas they currently are the only name in town - the "budget" smartphone and the "phablet"

 

[bmac4]

In all fairness, I agree with Couch on the size issue.....here's how I see it playing out:

Currently, Apple releases and new iPhone each year and keeps the previous two as the cheaper options (for instance currently we have the iPhone 4, 4S and 5).

I think what we'll see sometime next year is the discontinuation of the older models (existing inventory will be sold off at cheaper prices of course) and this in its place:

cheap iPhone 16 GB - $0 on contract/$399 off contract
cheap iPhone 32 GB - $99 on contract/$499 off contract
iPhone "5S" (current 4" iPhone) - $199 (16GB), $299 (32GB), $399 (64GB) on contract / current prices unsubsidized
larger iPhone (5"+?) - $299 (16GB), $399 (32GB), $499 (64GB) on contract / $100 more than the current 4" iPhone unsubsidized in each storage category

I think we'll also see some performance enhancements along with the larger screen to make the 5" iPhone worth the extra money.

This lineup will get updated each year with the existing model being "discontinued" in stores (updates will still happen). Pricing this way allows for the larger iPhone's profit margin to help offset the cheap iPhone's margins (especially with the clamour for a larger iPhone, I'd bet plenty will move to it even at a higher price).

Not only will this appease shareholders and lift profits closer to where Apple is accustom to, but it will also appease consumers and open up brand new markets for Apple in the low-end and large size verticals.

Then we can see how Android's marketshare holds when they have competition in two areas they currently are the only name in town - the "budget" smartphone and the "phablet"

I don't know that I agree. Maybe Apple does that, but it would have to be a huge leap for them. If they do end up doing that people will just be yelling they are trying to catch up to android.

 

[hexonxonx]

Offer to older phones as the small version is not really choice. You will not have the latest technology from Apple. That is like Microsoft yesterday telling user that can be connected to the Internet to the Xbox 360. How stupid is that?

It IS a choice. I chose to buy a 4S back in January rather than the 5 because I didn't think the 5 was worth an upgrade. I'll skip the 5S as well and see what happens with whatever phone comes next year. Not everyone cares about having the latest and greatest. If they did, the 4S and 4 would not still be offered as phone choices.

 

[bmac4]

It IS a choice. I chose to buy a 4S back in January rather than the 5 because I didn't think the 5 was worth an upgrade. I'll skip the 5S as well and see what happens with whatever phone comes next year. Not everyone cares about having the latest and greatest. If they did, the 4S and 4 would not still be offered as phone choices.

Yes but you don't tell people that the best product they offer at that time is this, and if you want something smaller then go but the old model. I am not saying a bigger iPhone would be a bad thing, but to say Apple is not one of the leaders in smartphones because they don't have a larger phone. Is just plain stupid.

 

[jrswizzle]

I don't know that I agree. Maybe Apple does that, but it would have to be a huge leap for them. If they do end up doing that people will just be yelling they are trying to catch up to android.

That's true, but those morons will continue to yell that no matter what......really no sense in paying any attention.

Based on an article on the front page here, looks like Apple may be going with 2 larger sizes.....really hope they tread lightly here.....I'd rather them keep the line relatively concise than try and meet competitors in all areas.

A 3 iPhone line is doable, you get up into 4 and it starts to get messy.....

 

[bmac4]

That's true, but those morons will continue to yell that no matter what......really no sense in paying any attention.

Based on an article on the front page here, looks like Apple may be going with 2 larger sizes.....really hope they tread lightly here.....I'd rather them keep the line relatively concise than try and meet competitors in all areas.

A 3 iPhone line is doable, you get up into 4 and it starts to get messy.....

Yep I agree. I just hope they don't do it just to say they have a large iPhone. If they do it the iPhone needs to be very thought out.

 

[AppleDeviceUser]

They still do, period.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Apple can and should offer multiple choices for all current generation devices. The only one they don't do tgis for is the iPhone. They should.

 

[Peterg2]

Offer to older phones as the small version is not really choice. You will not have the latest technology from Apple. That is like Microsoft yesterday telling user that can be connected to the Internet to the Xbox 360. How stupid is that?

Leaving aside the "older" phone bit what do you think Samsung are doing with the S4 Mini (dual-core as opposed to quad core, 8 Megapixel camera as opposed to 13, qHD, etc) and HTC's M4 (dual-core, 720p).

 

[bmac4]

Leaving aside the "older" phone bit what do you think Samsung are doing with the S4 Mini (dual-core as opposed to quad core, 8 Megapixel camera as opposed to 13, qHD, etc) and HTC's M4 (dual-core, 720p).

Ok so android OEMs are doing it. Does that mean Apple should follow suit because android is offering it?

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

In all fairness, I agree with Couch on the size issue.....here's how I see it playing out:

Currently, Apple releases and new iPhone each year and keeps the previous two as the cheaper options (for instance currently we have the iPhone 4, 4S and 5).

I think what we'll see sometime next year is the discontinuation of the older models (existing inventory will be sold off at cheaper prices of course) and this in its place:

cheap iPhone 16 GB - $0 on contract/$399 off contract
cheap iPhone 32 GB - $99 on contract/$499 off contract
iPhone "5S" (current 4" iPhone) - $199 (16GB), $299 (32GB), $399 (64GB) on contract / current prices unsubsidized
larger iPhone (5"+?) - $299 (16GB), $399 (32GB), $499 (64GB) on contract / $100 more than the current 4" iPhone unsubsidized in each storage category

I think we'll also see some performance enhancements along with the larger screen to make the 5" iPhone worth the extra money.

This lineup will get updated each year with the existing model being "discontinued" in stores (updates will still happen). Pricing this way allows for the larger iPhone's profit margin to help offset the cheap iPhone's margins (especially with the clamour for a larger iPhone, I'd bet plenty will move to it even at a higher price).

Not only will this appease shareholders and lift profits closer to where Apple is accustom to, but it will also appease consumers and open up brand new markets for Apple in the low-end and large size verticals.

Then we can see how Android's marketshare holds when they have competition in two areas they currently are the only name in town - the "budget" smartphone and the "phablet"

Despite how accurate that sounds, wouldn't the developer get pissed, since they would now have to develop apps for a huge range of resolutions? Does seem like a step backwards for Apple if this occurs, it wouldn't be easy for developers. If anything I remember hearing, the reason for retina was so they could get higher pixels but at the same time, neglect the need for developers to re-create apps for the new resolutions. All that needs to be done is to fill in the extra space, same reason why the MacBook Air will not get a 1080p screen.

 

[TheMTtakeover]

I can remember when the original iPhone came out people were saying "Apple has created something new when we did not know we even wanted something new". The iPhone had a full touch screen experience that no phone had ever had. It was something new, and it took off. Apple was thinking ahead and thinking outside of the box. Look at the smartphone world now most smartphones are full touchscreen. Apple was ahead of the curve.

With that said what has happened? I love Apple and the way they were always willing to try something that had never been tried before. It just does not seem like that is happening any more. Why have they not come out with a big iPhone? If they were the same company they were back in 2007 they would have make a 4.5 inch iphone 2 years ago before the big screen android phones exploded and got really popular. Also look at the ipad mini that should have come out 2 or more years ago before all the small budget tablets had a chance. The Apple of 2007 would have had all these device out before the competition had a change to think of it. What has happened?

I want it back. I want my iphone to feel like something everyone says "wow" about. Right now the iphone does not really say "wow" that is now the note 2. Sure it is a huge phone and that is not for everyone, but you can't tell me when you see the note 2 you don't say "wow that is a cool looking phone". Notice I said cool looking the build quality is nothing close to Apple but the design is. I want to be surprise by my iphone. I want it to do something that I did not know I wanted to do. Will 2013 bring this? Will iOS 7 be "the next big thing"?

Don't kid yourself. Apple is and always will be ahead of the curve.

 

[jrswizzle]

Despite how accurate that sounds, wouldn't the developer get pissed, since they would now have to develop apps for a huge range of resolutions? Does seem like a step backwards for Apple if this occurs, it wouldn't be easy for developers. If anything I remember hearing, the reason for retina was so they could get higher pixels but at the same time, neglect the need for developers to re-create apps for the new resolutions. All that needs to be done is to fill in the extra space, same reason why the MacBook Air will not get a 1080p screen.

Unless of course they go with a resolution they already use or simply "double" one. Would make further development relatively easy.

 

[Vegastouch]

Don't kid yourself. Apple is and always will be ahead of the curve.

Except when they are behind....like, well......... now!