Apple Vision Pro is amazing. And I returned it. (MERGED)

[turbineseaplane]

I wonder what will happen first...

Glasses form factor AR

or

Link Light Rail actually runs from Seattle to Bellevue over the floating bridge?

 

[Herbert123]

Chips in brains "augmenting" your experience first, probably... ;-)

 

[Herbert123]

Link Light Rail actually runs from Seattle to Bellevue over the floating bridge?

Nah, transporters will happen first

 

[Kristain]

Hi, me too! I had an operation when I was a child to "correct" amblyopia. But because I was already 3, I never developed depth perception. So, I am an avid fan of AR/VR and even 3D movies, as these trick my brain into seeing depth. .

Interested in this! How does it work given they use the same principal as reality. Is it just because they're closer to your eye?

 

[WilliamG]

Just a thought, but the AVP uses foveated rendering. Which means it mimics the way our eyes work normally. Namely when you focus on something, everything else will slightly blur around it. This mimics natural sight, but also allows the AVP to render more efficiently, helping with battery life and heat. Perhaps the blurriness you are seeing is related to that?

My Quest 3 also uses foveated rendering... No issues with smearing when turning my head. These are unrelated issues.

 

[WilliamG]

Just returned my Vision Pro to the store. They were very nice about it, - didn't seem too surprised. It's such a shame, because the good stuff about the Vision Pro is really awesome. There's just so much not ready using today's technology that it overshadows all of the rest of it. Sitting in front of even my comparatively small 27" 5K screen is leagues ahead of using the Vision Pro as a large canvas for my MacBook Pro in terms of clarity, comfort etc etc.

Hopefully we see Vision Pro 2 by the end of the month. 🤣

 

[ErikGrim]

I seriously doubt an item like this will ever go into the refurbished store. Apple will re-sell them as new.

They are legally not allowed to do that, so no they won't

 

[DMG35]

They are legally not allowed to do that, so no they won't

Right, but they won't ever go in the refurbished store. They'll be kept as replacements for people that break them.

 

[flofixer]

It's slight. Again, my wife has no astigmatism and struggled. Yes, I'm using the Zeiss inserts, and yes, they do correct for astigmatism. Wifey was using no inserts.

maybe your wife just didn't want to contradict you 😁

 

[flofixer]

Wait for updates

Maybe this thread should be labeled " If you have to return your AVP and want to feel good about yourself..."

 

[mnsportsgeek]

I love the tech but I'm also returning it. The value proposition isn't there. I don't sit on my couch by myself watching TV most of the time, so until they implement some sort of social aspect then this just has few real world uses for me beyond being a cool party trick.

And it's quite frankly not comfortable.

Coolest feature by far is the mac display IMO.

Will try again with gen 2.

 

[notai]

I love the tech but I'm also returning it. The value proposition isn't there. I don't sit on my couch by myself watching TV most of the time, so until they implement some sort of social aspect then this just has few real world uses for me beyond being a cool party trick.

And it's quite frankly not comfortable.

Coolest feature by far is the mac display IMO.

Will try again with gen 2.

yeah the social aspect is the worst part of it, and understand the cool party trick comment as well. they should at least add an option to create another account for someone so they don't have to go through the guest user steps every single time. can I justify ~ $10/day for one year ?, maybe I can.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I am very curious on the glare, will you describe more in detail if you have a chance. Know you have been here for a while, so respect your opinion. Have used mine for 4-5 hours tonight, and have not noticed any glare issues so far. But maybe I am missing something as seems like popular issue so far.

I did noticed it, nothing critical enough to make me return it. I use the lens inserts. Perhaps trying a different cushion may improve on the issue.
What does bother me, is that there’s no Contacts App, no Screen Sharing app (like macOS has).
But the #1 issue: There’s no gesture or function on the virtual keyboard to “Undo”. Unless the App has it, you will need a physical keyboard to do a CMD-Z to undo.
I have until Tuesday to decide, considering there may not be another device for at least a couple years, expect this first Gen to improve by means of software updates. It’s going to be a though decision.

As an entertainment device it is superb, but my primary focus is productivity.
• There’s no RD Client app for the Vision Pro.
• There’s no Apple Screen Sharing client app.
• Tried several VPN clients (to connect to my clients’ networks), and so far all work.
• Need UniFi Protect app support (UniFi and WiFiMan work great!).

The virtual keyboard was impressively good. I got used to it very quickly; just make sure there’s enough lighting in the environment where you are at. Otherwise, use a wireless keyboard.
Some commonly known Keyboard Shortcuts we use on the iPad don’t seem to be working on the Vision Pro at this time.
The Magic Trackpad works similar as on the iPad, jumps from one app to the next.

Unlike others have reported, gestures work in the dark, but you will get a message saying that your hands will not display properly (obviously); not a problem at all.

Overall, this morning I was able to do 3 hours of billable work on it, so that’s about 10% of the total cost.
(my first gen iPad paid itself off in a couple days).

 

[hface119]

Just stopping by to say I was 90% going to buy but have a PSVR2 and know what to look for in these types of headsets so wanted to demo it first. Demo was today and I tried two different light seals.

Again, I’m coming from a place of gaming for short periods in PSVR2 which I don’t find terribly uncomfortable but in games where you’re moving a lot and it shifts, it can feel good to get it off your head. So anyway, I have a view from that perspective.

UI/gestures/screen quality was great. Spatial photos and videos were cool and I imagine will only get better like Live Photos have evolved.

FOV was smaller than I was anticipating and I think less than what I have in PSVR2. But, you get used to it so not a deal breaker. The deal breaker was how much it hurt. It had to be tight against my face to get a clear view and least amount of light leak. PSVR uses rubber for light seal and I’m not sure why Apple went so rigid. So light leak was a little annoying but whatever. That strap just didn’t work for me at all and they weren’t allowing trying the dual loop. The red mark on my forehead after 5 minutes when I switched to a different seal was crazy. Maybe it didn’t have to be so tight, but without that there was too much light coming in.

And I don’t know how to describe it but no matter what, when the screen was dark I had 3 little “bokeh”-like aberrations/reflections that didn’t seem like was normal but super annoying.

So all in all, my interest went down a lot and I think I’ll at least wait to see if 3rd party straps or light seals/cushions come forth. Can’t wait for it to be at least comfortable to wear, then I’m all in.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Just stopping by to say I was 90% going to buy but have a PSVR2 and know what to look for in these types of headsets so wanted to demo it first. Demo was today and I tried two different light seals.

Again, I’m coming from a place of gaming for short periods in PSVR2 which I don’t find terribly uncomfortable but in games where you’re moving a lot and it shifts, it can feel good to get it off your head. So anyway, I have a view from that perspective.

UI/gestures/screen quality was great. Spatial photos and videos were cool and I imagine will only get better like Live Photos have evolved.

FOV was smaller than I was anticipating and I think less than what I have in PSVR2. But, you get used to it so not a deal breaker. The deal breaker was how much it hurt. It had to be tight against my face to get a clear view and least amount of light leak. PSVR uses rubber for light seal and I’m not sure why Apple went so rigid. So light leak was a little annoying but whatever. That strap just didn’t work for me at all and they weren’t allowing trying the dual loop. The red mark on my forehead after 5 minutes when I switched to a different seal was crazy. Maybe it didn’t have to be so tight, but without that there was too much light coming in.

And I don’t know how to describe it but no matter what, when the screen was dark I had 3 little “bokeh”-like aberrations/reflections that didn’t seem like was normal but super annoying.

So all in all, my interest went down a lot and I think I’ll at least wait to see if 3rd party straps or light seals/cushions come forth. Can’t wait for it to be at least comfortable to wear, then I’m all in.

It’s not that bad you will get used to it as you use it. It didn’t mark my face. Today I used it for about four hours in the morning without any issues.

 

[Ctrlos]

Despite the shortcomings if this were cheaper I could see myself getting one. For travelling alone it would certainly liven up otherwise dull hotel rooms! Being able to use a multi-display workspace in that sort of setting would be awesome.

What I will say is that I think some poeple might have oversold themselves on it. It has been clear from the get-go that this is in function an iPad Pro you strap to your face. Being shocked all sorts of advanced shenanigans that don't work on an iPad but do on a Mac seems a little bit shortsighted.

 

[Ghost31]

Despite the shortcomings if this were cheaper I could see myself getting one. For travelling alone it would certainly liven up otherwise dull hotel rooms! Being able to use a multi-display workspace in that sort of setting would be awesome.

What I will say is that I think some poeple might have oversold themselves on it. It has been clear from the get-go that this is in function an iPad Pro you strap to your face. Being shocked all sorts of advanced shenanigans that don't work on an iPad but do on a Mac seems a little bit shortsighted.

This is so true. I’ve seen so many apple fans in YouTube comments and such justifying the price of the Apple Vision Pro with “but it’s got an m2 and basically a MacBook Pro on your face”. I’m like…no it’s not. I couldn’t just buy an apple vision and install the Mac version of Final Cut and just…use it. I couldn’t install any pro apps what so ever from Mac. It’s entirely based on ipad os and i don’t think people get that. The marketing was “pro” this and “pro” that but really, people saw it could be a Mac virtual display and mentally associated it with “ah ok so it must be like a Mac for your face.” If more people thought of it as an iPad Pro for your face, they’d feel really turned off by the price.


People have already been complaining for years about the prices of ipad pros and the value proposition and for some people, it not being worth it because ipad os is limited. Those same limitations will be there for vision os for the time being. $3500 isn’t even remotely worth it for most people. $2000? Sure. I could justify it as a neat little ipad Like thing for my eyes i can watch tv on. Will be interesting to see where the vision line of products go

 

[MockT]

Right now, I can't use it for productivity because of the simple fact that Dropbox is missing in the App Store. That's why I got it with 1 TB that sits unused now. Everything else in my workflow depends on it. Office Suite and Teams are there, so this is frustrating.

That means I have to use Mac Mirroring to do the actual work. And for that, it's just too uncomfortable to have on and use instead of my workstation screens. Then there is the shift in input modes between 'Mac' and visionOS environments. Trying to pinch at the Mac screen, trying to write at the visionOS screen.

I need dedicated keyboards for visionOS and my Mac because I can only connect the Apple Keyboard to one of them. Sound passthrough doesn't work with Mac Mirroring.

But the fact of the matter is, I shouldn't have to try and make all these things work. But I have to because Dropbox is missing so I have to do productivity in a 'mixed' environment which isn't a good experience.

I feel like I've gone farther in trying to make the AVP work for me than most would have. Lens inserts are correct. I found the perfect setting for light seal, dual loop, and cushion. It sits on my head comfortably now BUT neck strain is still a thing which obviously can't be alleviated with this generation.

I'll use it in the return window and then bring it back, knowing exactly what it would take for me to jump back in.

 

[Ctrlos]

This is so true. I’ve seen so many apple fans in YouTube comments and such justifying the price of the Apple Vision Pro with “but it’s got an m2 and basically a MacBook Pro on your face”. I’m like…no it’s not. I couldn’t just buy an apple vision and install the Mac version of Final Cut and just…use it. I couldn’t install any pro apps what so ever from Mac. It’s entirely based on ipad os and i don’t think people get that. The marketing was “pro” this and “pro” that but really, people saw it could be a Mac virtual display and mentally associated it with “ah ok so it must be like a Mac for your face.” If more people thought of it as an iPad Pro for your face, they’d feel really turned off by the price.


People have already been complaining for years about the prices of ipad pros and the value proposition and for some people, it not being worth it because ipad os is limited. Those same limitations will be there for vision os for the time being. $3500 isn’t even remotely worth it for most people. $2000? Sure. I could justify it as a neat little ipad Like thing for my eyes i can watch tv on. Will be interesting to see where the vision line of products go

From my travels there seem to be three types of iPad users: everyday buyers who just want a bigger phone, professionals who see a digital swiss army knife and use it as such and those who regret not buying a Macbook.

I am in catagory 2, I use an iPad Pro for all sorts of things at work that a Macbook would require thousands of dollars of peripherals to achieve but I am also aware of its limitations. I'd love to see what I could do with a Vision Pro around my lab but I'm not under the impression it will replace my desktop.

I think the price needs to be $1000 before it catches on.

 

[Ctrlos]

Office Suite and Teams are there, so this is frustrating.

This I feel is part of the problem. When we can scan, narrate and film everything with one device and send those exact files to another person why do we still even need programs like Office? I can see why you would return it!

Vision Pro needs visionary developers to create the next generation of software that can use the strengths of the platform to free us from the flat screens of the past. Much like how most phone games just use ill-advised touchscreen facsimiles of physical buttons though instead of playing to the strengths of the platform I imagine this won't ever happen though and AVP will become just another way to use the same old applications.

 

[TruthAboveAllElse]

I seriously doubt an item like this will ever go into the refurbished store. Apple will re-sell them as new.

Nonsense

 

[TruthAboveAllElse]

I would gather that there is a large majority of people who never intended on keeping this device due to the cost of it. They wanted to try it but never intended on parting with $4k-$5k for something like this.

Seems pretty unlikely to me.

 

[Night Spring]

There’s no RD Client app for the Vision Pro.

Dropbox is missing in the App Store

The iPad versions don't work?

 

[Night Spring]

The Vision Pro is (A) leagues away from that realm of effortlessness, and (B) doesn't actually provide anything sufficiently useful or outstanding in return to offset that severe lack of effortlessness. I mean, just that separate 2-hour lasting battery is enough of a drawback for people to denounce it. And that part is not nearly the worst product flaw.

Hence, it is bound to fail and/or not of any practical use. A solution to a problem that never existed. At the very least most early adopters will grow tired of it quickly and their VP will remain unused, collecting dust in a corner. Hoping to make the investment back when it becomes collectible retrotech ;-)

For me, the VP does solve a problem I have, namely I want a bigger iPad. Of course, it has to be comfortable enough to wear, and the UI has to be easy to manipulate. I wouldn't know whether VP meets that criteria until I have a chance to try one. But I think VP has the potential for replacing the iPad in my device lineup. I do agree that most people who buy the VP expecting to use it to watch 3D movies and sports/concert events will tire of it quickly. As it is, it's a device with very limited niche market. People who are likely to actually use it are 1. frequent travelers who use it in airplanes/hotels, and 2. people like me who find it uncomfortable to sit at desks for long periods of time, and others who wants to do computer tasks away from the desk for some reason.

 

[jqc]

Office Suite and Teams are there, so this is frustrating.

Actually no, Word, Excel and PPT are, Outlook and Onedrive are not. Outlook is available as an iPad app which is fine while on iPad, but is horrendous on AVP, the UI is to close together, I can't even select "reply" half the time. Onedrive is not available at all so how is anyone using sharepoint/onedrive supposed to access files? So for me, it's not there for work productivity. I can't even log into Teams. Login fine on all my other devices, for some reason can't on AVP.

I continue to use the AVP a little bit every night but with each passing day - primary for watching TV which was going to be a main use case, the desire is less and less and thats due to the glare and haziness. It gets more annoying every time I put it on. Why go through all the trouble when just looking directly at my tv or laptop screen is crystal clear? I disagree with the majority of YouTubers out there: my laptop and TV do NOT look like relics from the 80s after using AVP. Due to the glare, my laptop and TV look AMAZING after using the AVP!!


I will give it until the end of the weekend but it's 99% return for me. not worth at this price.