Yes, and now that I think about it my
Analogy is wrong. Kazaa was an illegal dubious service, here people would actually go straight to the developers website so I do think people would go and install it from there
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Apple VP Referred for Criminal Contempt After 'Outright Lies' in Epic Games Ruling
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Analogy is wrong. Kazaa was an illegal dubious service, here people would actually go straight to the developers website so I do think people would go and install it from there
You can load a game to PS, Switch, SteamDeck or Xbox through physical drive, same goes with books to Kindle.
Also, just because there some platforms does the same locked in app store like Apple means it's good? I don't get your point. It's all wrong, I would argue that if the biggest like Apple will be forced to allow third party all the other smaller ones will follow suit. Domino effect.
Apple just needs to cut it out.
They’ve already poked holes in the model they were using. Now is the time to be proactive and change the script.
All apps found in the official App Store need to come with a seal of approval like the old NES cartridges.
Then go on a campaign stating how imperative it is to use apps that have been rigorously, tested, and supported through Apple systems with the highlighted seal of approval.
That’s will not only will give users something to find comfort in, but also give developers a reason to boast about their apps and have some comfort in the fees they pay.
It’s only a matter of time when these open App Store start to litter the iOS phones with malware.
Once that happens, the seal of approval approach will snap back in their direction like a rubber band.
There’s no other way.
They’ve already poked holes in the model they were using. Now is the time to be proactive and change the script.
All apps found in the official App Store need to come with a seal of approval like the old NES cartridges.
Then go on a campaign stating how imperative it is to use apps that have been rigorously, tested, and supported through Apple systems with the highlighted seal of approval.
That’s will not only will give users something to find comfort in, but also give developers a reason to boast about their apps and have some comfort in the fees they pay.
It’s only a matter of time when these open App Store start to litter the iOS phones with malware.
Once that happens, the seal of approval approach will snap back in their direction like a rubber band.
There’s no other way.
How much longer must the brand of Apple suffer under Tim Cook’s miserable performance? Software is in shambles, internal strife and turmoil, and now lying VP’s. Seriously, step down, Tim. Do the right thing.
Hmmm... The exact same judge in her original ruling said "First, and most significant, as discussed in the findings of facts, IAP is the method by which Apple collects its licensing fee from developers for the use of Apple’s intellectual property. Even in the absence of IAP, Apple could still charge a commission on developers. It would simply be more difficult for Apple to collect that commission."
In a scorching ruling against Apple, Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers on Wednesday accused an Apple finance executive of providing false testimony under oath during the company's ongoing legal battle with Epic Games.
The judge stated that Alex Roman, Apple's vice president of finance, gave testimony that was "replete with misdirection and outright lies" regarding when Apple decided on its controversial 27 percent commission fee for purchases made outside the App Store.
"Contemporaneous business documents reveal that on the contrary, the main components of Apple's plan, including the 27 percent commission, were determined in July 2023," wrote Gonzalez Rogers in her ruling. "Neither Apple, nor its counsel, corrected the, now obvious, lies."
The ruling is significant enough that Gonzalez Rogers is referring the case to a U.S. attorney for possible criminal contempt proceedings against both Apple and Roman.
The reduced 27 percent fee (down from Apple's standard 30%) was established after the 2021 Epic Games lawsuit ruling. Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers rejected claims that Apple operated a monopoly. However, she ruled that Apple's anti-steering conduct was anti-competitive, and ordered the company to allow developers to link to alternative payment methods outside the App Store.
Apple complied by creating a system where developers can apply for a "StoreKit External Purchase Link Entitlement" to direct users to external payment options. However, Apple still demands a 27% commission on these transactions made within seven days of clicking the link.
That's set to change though after Wednesday's ruling. The court now says Apple cannot collect any fee or commission for purchases that consumers make outside of an app, nor can it track, audit, or monitor consumer activity.
The judge didn't mince words in her assessment of Apple's behavior, writing that "Apple willfully chose not to comply with this Court's Injunction" and did so "with the express intent to create new anticompetitive barriers" to maintain its revenue stream.
"That it thought this Court would tolerate such insubordination was a gross miscalculation," she added. "As always, the cover-up made it worse. For this Court, there is no second bite at the apple."
The false testimony appears to have particularly aggravated the judge, who said in her ruling that the alleged deception compounded Apple's original violation of the anti-steering injunction.
In a brief statement, Apple said: "We strongly disagree with the decision. We will comply with the court's order and we will appeal."
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To now rule that Apple is being anti-competitive for doing the exact same thing that she recommended seems contradictory. And to call in willful non-compliance seems wrong.
If is Tim a decent man he will hand himself in. Poor form letting one his henchmen do hard time for his wicked crimes.
Well there's business and sales tax. There’s always a price to do business in someone’s space and that price always corresponds to the size of the business.
As long as he is making the money he is staying put. And he is definitely making the money, he has made Apple a 3 trillion dollar corporation. Would it be the same if Jobs was still alive? I am not so sure.
I don’t agree with this case ruling but I’m not shocked people here side with it. If you’re shocked then you’ve been completely ignoring / unwilling to try to understand the arguments people have been bringing up against it.
If it was so obviously wrong as it seems in your eyes then there would be no need for a case. The mindset of “everyone on the other side is completely illogical” is THE barrier to resolution.
Putting aside any legal arguments - and I’m not a dev don’t know any , I’m just a consumer - what Apple was doing felt wrong ie trying to skim off profits off any activities in the App Store forever more.
I don’t bedgrudge them doing this in the early days but 10 years into the App Store was the time for them to give a little.
I think if this taken smaller reasonable fees that would’ve been ok.
Instead they’re in the position they’re in and all of their devs must despise them by now. Plus they lied in court.
It’s hard to see how they could’ve messed this up more than they could’ve done. And all for greed and a sense of entitlement.
I don't know where you're getting your information but installation of software is perfectly possible on the vast majority of those platforms.
You just made a great argument for alternative app stores 🤣
That is a strawman argument. Electricity is required for heating when it’s below zero outside.
No it isn’t, you can totally heat with wood, propane, etc… it’s not ‘required’ but like electricity, at some point we stop accepting that people should be expected to not have smartphones.
Edit; even if I were to grant that electricity is essential, it is still true that there was a time it wasn’t, and as time passed it came to be an expected part of modern life, smartphones are so ubiquitous that they too are becoming an expected part of modern life.
Greed and entitlement can almost always be argued for both sides of a money dispute. I don’t know what the fair fee amount is, I don’t know all the ins and outs of all the details and all the angles. I think these situations are so complicated that no one person can honestly know what exact amount is fair, and that’s why the free market is supposed to decide. But I do know (in general) if someone builds a space, then they should receive payment from everyone who does business in their space. And if it’s not a continual payment, then they are de-incentivized from upkeep and improving the space, and bringing in more customers and other businesses (some people may say Apple doesn’t do those things anyway, but cut the fees too low and we may see things get worse). Forcing builders to give away the space to businesses may also de-incentivize future builders from building new spaces.
But I mostly leave that money fight to developers and Apple to hash out. On the other hand, legally forcing open Apple’s closed ecosystem business model is an issue that I have a direct stake in as an Apple customer, as it may have consequences that negatively affect me. But this is a whole other area of debate.
But I should say, I do not condone lying in court. If they are found guilty of that, then I approve of punishment for it.
I’m sure all of that money and effort wasn’t spent on this, but I remember reading just how proud they were that they changed “Hey Siri” to just “Siri”
Maybe that’s a monumental accomplishment—I have no idea. But it can’t have been on many Siri user’s top five lists as things they’d like to see.
All of that screams a problem, a lack, of leadership. True leadership. Apple is a cult of toxic positivity by all accounts. Only dissenting allowed is C level and above. And as we see, they ignored Shiller and did a boneheaded thing anyway
Why do people bother staying in an Apple fan forum if they just want to constantly trash on Apple…
I wonder how much Tim Sweeney paid that judge off for…
I'd rather see Jeff Williams (or even John Ternus) with the reins. Look at the state of software, it's the worst it's been in decades and Craig has been the Software Engineering lead for all of that time. The buck stops with him.
Agreed, Apple put all of the investment and work into building the platform, others aren’t entitled to benefit from all of that work and investment for free. It would be like arguing that Walmarts must allow other store companies to use space in their store locations for free. It just makes zero sense… This is Apple’s platform, Apple’s property, and they have every right to require rent for leasing space…
And as to the accusations of lying, they’re likely unfounded. This judge seems very biased. Also, even if it’s a half-true claim, I doubt it would have been purposeful, probably a case of mixed up records or a legitimate mistake. I doubt Apple would purposefully lie in court so that they could get into trouble over it. But personally, I’m not sure they even made an honest mistake in that regard, I think the judge is just biased and trying to go after them however they can…
Exactly. This judge seems very biased and contradictory. I think she just wants to try to ride headlines, as if making up crap like this will enhance her career…
Some of us are long-time fans, old enough to remember why it was we stayed with Mac even in the dark days of the early 90s. Apple set the bar high and aren't living up to that. People care about this company because of their philosophy when it comes to technology. I despise where Apple is going so my criticism is framed based on the level they proved they can execute on. This ain't it
Many of the people I see in this thread, all I see is complaining constantly about Apple. That’s what people go to the Windows/Android forums for. This is an Apple fan forum. I’m sick and tired of all the complaining, I think it’s actually more obnoxious than the complaining in Windows and Android forums… If these people are “longterm fans”, then maybe they should share more positivity rather than constantly trashing Apple every single little thing that pops up… 🙄🤦🏼♂️