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Series 10 looks like a good update for anyone with older generation watches. From the 9 it is an incremental update only.

Hopefully the Jet Black color will not chip and will hold up against scratches.
 
What tracking in sports or what you just listed you can’t do from AW4 on? Exactly.

Not what I said, but AW9/10 have sensors that the 4 doesn't and offers multiple features over the 4. It also has multi-sport mode which I think the 4 doesn't. As you seem to be confused about the replies you're getting, let me remind you what you said: "I upgrade AW1->AW4->AW7->Ultra 2 last year, at least the form factor is different. But at the end of the day, they are just mostly used for notifications. Watch OS sucks, not much can be done on there."

So the replies are not that AW4 is no longer capable, but that AW is far more capable than you're saying it is.

Enough for you, really?...... but You're having to charge it twice and you think that's normal? 😳
Also not what I said. I said it's usually enough for me, but I take it off charge at 6am so 18 hours is less than a full day plus a full night.

My "charging it twice" is not two full charges. It gets a full charge when I get to my desk, and it gets a small top up before I go to sleep. Otherwise you're complaining that it doesn't last for 24 hours while using multiple features like tracking workouts, running time-tracking timers, and monitoring my sleep. The watch comfortably lasts me a full waking day, from when I wake up to when I go to bed. Usually I'm still at 20-30%. I choose to give it a little top up to make sure it doesn't die in the night, or is about to die when I wake up It also makes the full charge quicker in the morning.
 
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Poor battery life keeps me uninterested. I was hoping for a new ultra, but as that one didn't materialize I'll just keep waiting with my series 5 watch. Faster charging is nice, having to charge twice a day is not. I'll buy a new one when I can rely on the watch to comfortably hold a charge for a full day and night EVEN IF I ACTUALLY USE IT.

I thought I'd be ok with the battery life and charging speeds of my current one, but in reality it's a nightmare. Half the time the watch is out of power when I need it. So these lukewarm updates can be bought by those who want a marginal update. I'll wait for something more concrete.
If you’re having to charge twice a day, your 5-6 year old Watch 5 battery is degraded significantly just like my Watch 4 was last July. I checked with the Apple online chat, they said it needs a battery replacement. I booked an appt with my local Apple Store and brought it in after backing up the Watch one more time.

The tech checked it, confirmed it needed a new battery. I paid the then $89, (now $99 a series 5 44mm Aluminum), he said he’s be back in 15 minutes. Took just the Watch module back with him. 12 min later he came back with a box. Opened it, brand new series Watch 4 in same color and size. I asked can the battery be changed? He said “not easily or quickly so this is how we provide a battery service, we replace the entire unit with like.” After reattaching the band, he fired it up, paired it to my phone, loaded up the newest Watch OS and then told me to restore the backup at home while hooked up on a charger.

All told, about an hour from end to end, and a new Watch unit of the same type, lasts about 16 hours a day like new.

Now you could do that, or put the $99 towards a new Watch 10, your choice. This kind of service and support, plus easy Apple Store access is what keeps me in the Apple ecosystem. The tech told me mailing in for service would have taken 2-3 business days.

Hope you have a good experience too.
 
yeah buy you are "normal " watch quartz or automatic your decision. It look better and it has a longer life span. What do you want more?

That’s exactly what I’m doing, wearing my analogue watches as they look better. I just want them to at least try and make it look good, not just a square screen on your wrist.
 
That’s exactly what I’m doing, wearing my analogue watches as they look better. I just want them to at least try and make it look good, not just a square screen on your wrist.
Me too. Look at Withings — their smart watches look like traditional watches including a Rolex diver style. I'd love Apple to do something similar instead of it being a mini iPad, but they would lose the branding element. Right now, you always know when someone is wearing an AW and that's not something Apple is going to give up.
 
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Sticking with my AW7.
I only really use it for notifications, and to take the odd call when my phone isn't with me, so I don't see any added value in upgrading as long as my watch does what I want and can run the latest OS (which it can)......
 
I probably won't upgrade, although the series 10 looks pretty good. Mine is the larger AW6, my third AW, and it has the blood oxygen sensor; I use that feature a few times a week. My sleep apnea was diagnosed years ago and is now treated, so I have no need for that feature.

I guess the battery is still good enough, as I've not had to charge it during the day. It goes on the charger at night.

To me it's a perfect complement to my iPhone, and in some ways is my favorite apple device. It does everything I want it to do, including notifications, activity and workout tracking, apple pay, checking weather, shopping lists, flashlight, timers, finding my iphone when I forget where I put it, texts, map directions, unlocking my desktop mac, and occasionally taking phone calls when my phone isn't handy. The fact that it does all of these things, on my wrist, still amazes me.

It is a mature product. I don't expect major upgrades on an annual basis; that would be unrealistic. The form factor works, for me, as I don't wear jewelry and it's quite functional. It still looks as good as it did when I bought it. Can't really ask for more.

When apple sorts out the blood oxygen monitoring patent issue, I'll order a new model. In the meantime, if I have to get the battery replaced at some point, so be it. No big deal.
 
If you’re having to charge twice a day, your 5-6 year old Watch 5 battery is degraded significantly just like my Watch 4 was last July. I checked with the Apple online chat, they said it needs a battery replacement. I booked an appt with my local Apple Store and brought it in after backing up the Watch one more time.

The tech checked it, confirmed it needed a new battery. I paid the then $89, (now $99 a series 5 44mm Aluminum), he said he’s be back in 15 minutes. Took just the Watch module back with him. 12 min later he came back with a box. Opened it, brand new series Watch 4 in same color and size. I asked can the battery be changed? He said “not easily or quickly so this is how we provide a battery service, we replace the entire unit with like.” After reattaching the band, he fired it up, paired it to my phone, loaded up the newest Watch OS and then told me to restore the backup at home while hooked up on a charger.

All told, about an hour from end to end, and a new Watch unit of the same type, lasts about 16 hours a day like new.

Now you could do that, or put the $99 towards a new Watch 10, your choice. This kind of service and support, plus easy Apple Store access is what keeps me in the Apple ecosystem. The tech told me mailing in for service would have taken 2-3 business days.

Hope you have a good experience too.
So it’s pretty much the same as with AirPods.

I think with iPhones they give you a fixed on that is about as good looking as the one you gave them.
 
A 7 hour workout is quite ridiculous to most users.
It’s really not. A day of hiking or biking Ads up quit quickly. If you consider how the thing asks you if it should start logging a workout when you are just taking a strole down the street a seven hour day can come together rather quickly on weekend trip or vacation without anything extreme in your activity.
The watch also keeps checking on all the vitals when you only pause a workout for lunch or a commute. So that can be eating into the battery as well.
 
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It’s really not. A day of hiking or biking Ads up quit quickly. If you consider how the thing asks you if it should start logging a workout when you are just taking a strole down the street a seven hour day can come together rather quickly on weekend trip or vacation without anything extreme in your activity.
The watch also keeps checking on all the vitals when you only pause a workout for lunch or a commute. So that can be eating into the battery as well.
If you're routinely doing 7 hour workouts, you are the target audience for the Ultra-- and its battery will be fine for you.

The notion that everyone should have to have a bulkier/heavier watch so that the 0.01% of people doing 7 hour workouts can have enough battery is silly.
 
For couch potatoes it may be actually be "ridiculous." For people who workout regularly for longer periods, unusual would be a better choice.
Realistically 7 hour workouts are for a niche group of people. I workout regularly, but not for 7 hours. When I was marathon training I wasn’t out for 7 hours.

7 hours is either an ad-hoc thing like a long hike, or for someone who makes it their “thing” like triathlons and ultras - in which case they probably wouldn’t use a standard AW.
 
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Apple literally makes a watch specifically for people that do very long workouts-- the Ultra. Once that exists, there's no reason to compromise the mainline Apple Watch to accommodate that use case.

The full size non Ultra has plenty of battery life these day. My wife works out ~1 hour per day, and generally has ~40% remaining when we go to bed, on her S9.
 
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Apple literally makes a watch specifically for people that do very long workouts-- the Ultra. Once that exists, there's no reason to compromise the mainline Apple Watch to accommodate that use case.

The full size non Ultra has plenty of battery life these day. My wife works out ~1 hour per day, and generally has ~40% remaining when we go to bed, on her S9.
Sounds similar to me. 45-ish minute walk every evening with workout Activity and Timelines running it. Multiple times a week it's also logging a 30 minute run and 1 hour workout, the latter being controlled by the app Strong. No problem lasting through until I go to bed at night — but it typically wouldn't have enough juice left to last all night as well, which is why I top it up before bed so it can monitor sleep metrics.
 
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For couch potatoes it may be actually be "ridiculous." For people who workout regularly for longer periods, unusual would be a better choice.
Yeah no. Normal people who exercise do so for 30 minutes to an hour per day. People with extreme workout habits may do a full 2 hours.

7 hours is beyond ridiculous and should not even be remotely considered as normal activity level, and certainly should not be a use case that needs to be accommodated for anything other than the Ultra.

And even people who are doing physical activity all day, does not mean they need the workout app running the entire time. The watch tracks your movement and exercise levels just fine without the battery sucking level of monitoring that a workout mode provides.
 
Realistically 7 hour workouts are for a niche group of people. I workout regularly, but not for 7 hours. When I was marathon training I wasn’t out for 7 hours.

7 hours is either an ad-hoc thing like a long hike, or for someone who makes it their “thing” like triathlons and ultras - in which case they probably wouldn’t use a standard AW.

I'll agree that "unusual" is perhaps a better word choice, though I'd add "very" before it.

I don't recall any of my training runs being over 5 hours for either of my marathons, and I complete a 40+ mile bike ride in under 3 hours. Probably need to get to a full-century ride distance to hit the watch's limits - which for me is still kinda moot since I use a Garmin Edge for bike riding, not my Apple Watch.

Triathlons maybe? I just glanced at the results of a recent local triathlon - the slowest person completed in 4h48m and that was Olympic distance of 1.5km swim / 42km bike / 10k run. Probably need to get to half or full ironman events to exceed the 7hr timeframe.

... and then if someone is expecting to need more than 7 hours, there's "Low-Power Mode with Fewer GPS and Heart Rate Readings." While the Battery page doesn't mention the impact for the S10, for the Ultra2 using those settings stretches the 12 hour outdoor workout with GPS to 17 hours with just Low Power Mode and to 35 hours adding the Fewer GPS and Heat Rate Readings setting. That would suggest the S10 workout battery might be stretched to 10 if not 20 hours with those settings.
 
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Sounds similar to me. 45-ish minute walk every evening with workout Activity and Timelines running it. Multiple times a week it's also logging a 30 minute run and 1 hour workout, the latter being controlled by the app Strong. No problem lasting through until I go to bed at night — but it typically wouldn't have enough juice left to last all night as well, which is why I top it up before bed so it can monitor sleep metrics.

FWIW Apple's "All-day battery life" claim includes "a 60-minute workout with music playback from Apple Watch via Bluetooth"

In my case I kept my prior watch rather than trade it in or sell it for minimal return and use it for sleep tracking.
 
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Realistically 7 hour workouts are for a niche group of people. I workout regularly, but not for 7 hours. When I was marathon training I wasn’t out for 7 hours.

7 hours is either an ad-hoc thing like a long hike, or for someone who makes it their “thing” like triathlons and ultras - in which case they probably wouldn’t use a standard AW.
I basically agree with what you said, but unusual was the word I used. Not regular or commonplace or normal. I commented because I thought using "ridiculous" was ridiculous!
 
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2025 : In Apple watch series 11 we have once again pushed the boundaries of what is possible in the Watch, we have increased the screen size by one extra row of pixels, allowing Apple Watch to take on an entirely new size……. :rolleyes:

Thought I’d say that now for when they do it next year.
 
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