Apple's App Store, Safari, and iOS Officially Designated 'Gatekeepers' in EU

[Wildkraut]

Looks like Kids with iPhones and iPads in the EU will soon gonna have fun with Fortnite again. 🤣👍

 

[OneBar]

Consumers would have new choices for where they can get apps and different web engines available, as well as Apple being forced to improve the App Store to stay relevant with new competition. I'd say that's a consumer benefit.

What benefit do I have for getting (for example) the Moment Pro app on platform X versus platform Y? They're going to charge the same. It's the same app. The only possible difference is if platform X vets the app and platform Y does not and I end up with a spoof app that bricks my device. With platform X, if that somehow happens, then platform X is liable for damages. If that happens with platform Y, well, buyer beware and too bad, so sad, you're out of luck replacing your device. But "choices", right?

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Nope. We just believe in freedom.

No, you just like being under the thumb of corporations instead of the government.

I don't consider having to use Google or Apple, if I want a smartphone, as freedom. Another angle; what do I do if I don't want to support private and shareholder-owned petroleum companies, of any kind, for any reason? Do I have that freedom?

I've always (since college) worked at not-for-profit companies. What are my not-for-profit tech companies? Where is that freedom?

 

[BuffaloTF]

Please, who do you think is better with spending money? Businesses or the government?

That is why tax cuts work.

The government. It’s why we landed on the moon. Why we have roads, schools, hospitals, doctors that are properly trained, going back one step hospitals in rural areas that aren’t chop shops, fire departments, police departments, utilities everywhere, entrepreneurs everywhere, the internet itself is from government spending.

 

[Robert.Walter]

Stupid “solution”.

Will break the App Store as developers try to increase revenue by offering apps via internet.

Others will do it as a work around Apples privacy reviews.

And in so doing there will be no review or oversight of side loaded apps.

This is the androidization of iOS.

Data aggregators are going to love this.

For users though, less privacy and less security.

Bad concept, bad legislation that doesn’t protect or serve users.

 

[neuropsychguy]

That is completely wrong. Tax revenue to the Federal government has SOARED. Lowering taxes resulted in increased government tax receipts. The deficits are being caused by insane spending

Try doing some basic research on Google

What's also funny is how a certain political party talks about how they've lowered deficits while completely ignoring the fact that were it not for a couple members of that political party and a different political party blocking passage of a multi-trillion dollar bill, deficits would have soared: "Hey, look! We reduced deficits!*"

*Because our plans for spending were blocked.

 

[Wildkraut]

There are alternatives. Ever heard of Android?

Freedom of enterprise means that the government stays out of business as much as possible. There is very strong competition between Apple and Android. There were other major players too, like Blackberry, but people preferred Apple or Google.

Government molestation ends up with higher prices as it raises the cost of doing business. So what if the profits are lower, the cost to the consumer is higher.

Yeah, the Mafia likes to use the same arguments.

 

[tripsync]

LOL. EU has no idea what they're doing.

 

[Zest28]

That's interesting: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poverty-rate-by-country

There are several Western world countries with higher poverty rates than the U.S. including Spain, the U.K., Italy, and more. Most of the others aren't that different from the U.S. with rates of poverty. People who fall in the poverty level in the U.S. have social and medical safety nets similar to what's available in other "western" countries.

And don't forget, people in the USA make much more money than people in Europe, it is not even close. And this is before taking into account the super high taxes in Europe.

 

[Zest28]

The government. It’s why we landed on the moon. Why we have roads, schools, hospitals, doctors that are properly trained, going back one step hospitals in rural areas that aren’t chop shops, fire departments, police departments, utilities everywhere, entrepreneurs everywhere, the internet itself is from government spending.

Please, doctors in the private sectors are way superior to the public sector. You won't believe how many wrong diagnosis I got from the public sector only to be laughed at when I went to a private clinic.

I don't waste my time with public health care anymore.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Will break the App Store as developers try to increase revenue by offering apps via internet.

Others will do it as a work around Apples privacy reviews.

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This is the androidization of iOS.

Really? I have a few people close to me that use Android exclusively. None of them have ever loaded an alternative app store, or installted an app outside of the Play store; they don't even know how, and are 10+ year users of Android.

 

[gsurf123]

I am curious to see how the EU will regulate the free TikTok. Europe will have done something if they regulate free.

 

[Wildkraut]

Don’t worry, it’s not over yet, it’s just a matter of time till you can enjoy the same kind of customer friendly market in the U.S. If I remember correctly there are still a few bills rolling there.

 

[JamesHolden]

And don't forget, people in the USA make much more money than people in Europe, it is not even close. And this is before taking into account the super high taxes in Europe.

And yet, oddly enough, Europeans have a better quality of life and report much higher happiness than Americans. Americans like to reduce everything to money and taxes, but it's quite clear that people in other countries, who make less money and pay more in taxes, lead better lives.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/quality-of-life

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/03/20/ranked-the-20-happiest-countries-in-the-world-in-2023/

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Please, doctors in the private sectors are way superior to the public sector. You won't believe how many wrong diagnosis I got from the public sector only to be laughed at when I went to a private clinic.

I don't waste my time with public health care anymore.

The same doctors work in both private and public, at least in the US.

 

[BaldiMac]

What's also funny is how a certain political party talks about how they've lowered deficits while completely ignoring the fact that were it not for a couple members of that political party and a different political party blocking passage of a multi-trillion dollar bill, deficits would have soared: "Hey, look! We reduced deficits!*"

*Because our plans for spending were blocked.

Spending is only half the equation. If the multi-trillion dollar bill increases revenues more than it increases spending, then deficits are reduced. Of course, I don't know what specific bill you are referring to.

 

[Zest28]

The same doctors work in both private and public, at least in the US.

Not at my clinic. In fact, people from Europe even come over to visit this clinic as their hospitals in Europe failed at treating them.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Not at my clinic. In fact, people from Europe even come over to visit this clinic as their hospital failed at treating them.

This is my field. All my colleagues work in both, as do I.

Public and private is on the payment side, not on the provider side. That is how the US works. The only truly public healthcare is the VA.

I work at a private not-for-profit hospital. We take medicare, medicaid and private insurance. I have no idea who is using what, nor do I care.

 

[Zest28]

This is my field. All my colleagues work in both, as do I.

Public and private is on the payment side, not on the provider side. That is how the US works. The only truly public healthcare is the VA.

I work at a private not-for-profit hospital. We take medicare, medicaid and private insurance. I have no idea who is using what, nor do I care.

I see. Learn something new everyday.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Please, doctors in the private sectors are way superior to the public sector. You won't believe how many wrong diagnosis I got from the public sector only to be laughed at when I went to a private clinic.

I don't waste my time with public health care anymore.

Uhhh… all doctors - as in every single one of them - had their residency paid for by Medicare GME; and the rules and standards they need to follow to practice? Department of Health. And their salaries once in practice? 20% coming from… Medicare.

 

[JamesHolden]

yup, you're absolutely correct, they are great at creating bureaucratic measures to ensure the governments have never ending funds and protect themselves and not the people who vote for them ...

Sounds like every government since...the dawn of time.

 

[TracerAnalog]

Imagine if we had a functioning United States government that would have made it clear to the EU that such measures would be met with harsh retaliation.

EU GDP in 2008 was 16.3 trillion. In 2022 it was 16.64 trillion. You’d think maybe someone over there could figure out things aren’t working.

Don’t worry, I’m sure more regulations will fix it.

Yes! Let’s make this an America First topic! Please… and yes, Europe thinks it’s people need some form of protection against the unbridled power of those huge and influential corporations. I’m not saying I agree wholly with the measures taken btw. Something needs to be done I think, and Europe’s way is regulations. The USA takes a different route (take Google to court for one), but ALSO tries to curb the power of the big megacorps.

 

[BaldiMac]

This is my field. All my colleagues work in both, as do I.

Public and private is on the payment side, not on the provider side. That is how the US works. The only truly public healthcare is the VA.

I don't know what you are getting at here. There are certainly state-owned hospitals in the US. Seems like that would make them a public provider.

 

[Wildkraut]

DSA and DMA rules, since they got active i have a clean YouTube Home without nonsense videos.

Love it!😍

 

[0339327]

Apple can always change the business model from the relatively open system that it is currently (nominally a consignment-based sales model) to something else. If Apple completely closed the App Store and instead offered varied subscriptions, like Apple Arcade, how would that work? Since there is no longer a store, how would the rules apply?

Pay to Play.

Apple could charge $1.99 / month for App Store access.