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Nothing new for thousands of years? Really, thousands? You realize the political philosophy the US economy is based on was innovated and developed in Europe just 300 years ago, right?
You shouldn't make any assumptions given the state of the American education system these days. After all, in Florida kids are now learning about how slaves actually benefited from being enslaved! Pretty soon we'll be watering our lawns with Gatorade...
 
How old are you? You do realize computers were specialty items for only professionals till unfortunately the 2000s. Honestly there needs to be control from people. Not everyone should have or use a computer.
Says who?

oh, I do. I just come from a place that thinks we need gatekeepers...If I made something and the government tried to tell me it has to be more open for others to use it. Basically, the middle finger would come out to them. If build it I keep it the way it is..let someone do something themselves... A phone isn't a right. You don't need one to live....So honestly forget regulation.
Sure, people don't need phones...or cars...or houses...maybe we should all go back to living in caves. Gatekeeping is morally wrong.

Also, I was trying to come down the Americans/ EU comments...enough already with that...that kind of mentality increased on mac rumors and the world in 2016..Before that, this was just a nice place to come and talk.
I think you have a very selective memory. This site has always been a hotbed of argument and strong opinions.
 
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The problem is:

  • App distribution on iOS/iPadOS locked to a single app store that Apple controls with no other way to get apps, which under the Digital Markets Act (DMA) marks them as a gatekeeper and they must rectify this by allowing alternatives to the Apple App Store on iOS, similarly to how they do on macOS
  • WebKit being the only web engine allowed on iOS. (Chrome and FireFox on iOS are just UI skins, as they're still forced to use WebKit which defeats the entire point of using Chrome or FireFox, as people want Chromium and FireFox Quantum, not WebKit) Remember when Microsoft got in trouble for pulling that stunt back in the 90s with United States of America vs Microsoft?
So the solution for both is simple: Just allow alternatives like they do on macOS. That's it. That's all they gotta do. A simple problem with a simple solution that Apple does not want to do as it means their app store monopoly is a *little* bit smaller.



It's not just the EU. Japan also approved similar measures and they will be forcing Apple to allow alternative app distribution as well, and in Japan Apple has a landslide dominance over any other competitor there of almost 70%. Like it's not even close. You gonna tell Apple to stop selling their products there too when they have overwhelming market dominance?



Why? This change benefits consumers as now iOS would have competition in app distribution, and competition breeds innovation. The only people this doesn't benefit...is Apple. Curious. 🤔



You can just choose not to sideload you know. Just like on Android, sideloading is completely optional and can be turned on and off with a toggle in settings. You can stay with the Apple App Store and never touch any alternatives should you so choose to.



Yes adding alternatives to app distribution and other web engines on iOS and other proconsumer measures is a "power grab by the elites." I guess forcing Apple to switch to USB-C on the iPhone, a move millions have begged for, was also a power grab? :rolleyes:
I definitely appreciate your thoughtful response rather than simply hitting the angry button 🥰
 
Why can't I go and open a shop inside of a mall without paying rent? I want all the privileges of the store front without having to pay the mall owner.

Again, no one is forcing Apple to do anything for free. Apple clearly makes A LOT of money from their app store by charging developers fees, commissions, for ad placements, etc.

Apple's App Store charges around $99 to $299 in annual fees plus 15% to 30% on app/in-app purchases while malls typically charge rent and take no commission. It's just a different way of doing business but both still make money from "tenants."
 
Where does this fantasy come from? Competition is about… winning. This is absolutely a hand out to the big boys - the Walmarts of the app world - to cut their overhead, while leaving the little guy stranded picking up the bag, and the costs, associated to the platform.

It’s not a fantasy, capitalism is about open competition. That therefore also means there should be laws regulating anticompetitive behavior by dominant companies that can potentially stifle competition or innovation.
 
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Around 950. That's around 20% of hospitals. They're not exactly rare.


State owned does not mean state funded. They still take private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare and tricare.

The hospital in my hometown used to be state, owned, or community owned to be exact, and it worked like every other hospital, and if you didn't pay your bill, it went to collections.

For the years that they took in more than they spent, which happened often enough, it was rolled back into the building/equipment or given as bonuses.
 
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A lot of people on this forum have no idea what’s going on.

I maintain a niche app for a small group of users. Every time I update the app, I have to go through multiple rounds of rejection, often taking weeks, before the app finally makes it into my users hands, because Apple thinks it breaks their rules. It doesn’t, but even if it did, who is Apple to tell me who I can and cannot develop software for, if that software isn’t breaking any laws?

The illusion of choice is not an valid argument against Apple’s monopoly over the app store. This is like saying “car manufactures don’t need safety regulations, because consumers could just choose to buy safer cars”. No. Once something has critical mass, it needs regulation to prevent abuse.

In reality there are only two mobile operating systems, and I should be free to distribute legal software to all of these users without restriction.
 
The important thing that a lot of folks miss when it comes to this kind of news -- especially those who think they are in favor of innovation -- is that this is anti-trust regulation. That is, it's anti-monopoly regulation. Folks, monopolies are not innovators. They are patent hogs who care more about shareholder value. They use their vast piles of cash not for innovation but for stock buybacks. Those are the facts. I love Apple stuff, but I think we all know it could be better. So could Google's. None of them are especially great at innovation. They do the bare minimum, and dress it up with fancy marketing budgets.

One of the goals of anti-trust regulation is to shake things up and make space for innovation.

The US used to understand this. That's why they broke up the phone monopolies, for example. They don't do that anymore. Because the government has been captured by Wall Street, Big Tech, Big Pharma, and the military contractors.
No, it's not. Apple has a 30% share. They're hardly a monopoly. The threshold is 45 million users. 10% of the EU. Again, not monopoly numbers.

I've said it before.. If the EU was really concerned with increasing competition, they would target Google's anticompetive agreements with their horizontal competitors rather than directly targeting Apple with some of the DMA regulations.
 
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Hopefully this will not effect UK users, as we left the EU, don't include me in this nonesense......:confused:
If I wanted an unsecure phone with software downloaded from dodgy websites I would get Android.....:p
 
No, it's not. Apple has a 30% share. They're hardly a monopoly. The threshold is 45 million users. 10% of the EU. Again, not monopoly numbers.

I've said it before.. If the EU was really concerned with increasing competition, they would target Google's anticompetive agreements with their horizontal competitors rather than directly targeting Apple with some of the DMA regulations.
Google finds itself in trouble with the EU far more often than Apple.
 
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Imagine if we had a functioning United States government that would have made it clear to the EU that such measures would be met with harsh retaliation.

EU GDP in 2008 was 16.3 trillion. In 2022 it was 16.64 trillion. You’d think maybe someone over there could figure out things aren’t working.

Don’t worry, I’m sure more regulations will fix it.
EU GDP no longer includes UK thanks to BrExit: $3.1 trillion. So the difference is that amount.
 
“The EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) seeks to curtail the power of major tech companies.”

The EU is pissed that no major tech company comes out of the EU, so the best they can do is try to control them through asinine regulation. Did any of these fools stop to think why most major innovations today happen outside the EU?
 
Nonsense. I worked for non-profit hospitals for my entire career. Any surplus was plowed right back into the hospital.
1. Did the hospital charge for their services?

2. So you want to shut down all business and make everything non-profit?

The USSR collapsed 30 years ago.
 
“The EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) seeks to curtail the power of major tech companies.”

The EU is pissed that no major tech company comes out of the EU, so the best they can do is try to control them through asinine regulation. Did any of these fools stop to think why most major innovations today happen outside the EU?

Well I'm pissed that tech companies have the power and influence that they do in the US, so since we're not going to jack about it, I guess the EU will suffice.
 
What is the problem they are trying to solve?
Can that be stated before they tell us the fix?
There is no problem to solve. Money is being exchanged behind the scenes by certain parties hoping to get laws passed which benefit their bottom line. These crooked politicians, who are eager and willing to do anything retain power and wealth, are taking bribes, then selling it off as a means of public protection. But it's all BS.
 
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