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This is a nonsense argument. Apple does not own my device. I do. I paid for it. Apple isn't entitled to a lifetime revenue stream because I bought one of their hardware products. No other computing platform works this way and we should not tolerate it.

It is in the best interest of society to have open platforms, not gatekeepers and bridge trolls, which has sadly become Apple's business model. What they're doing is just a digital spin on the old "company store" model where you had to see the company doctor, send your kids to the company school, and shop at the company store. This model is anti-freedom, anti-consumer, and is designed only to further enrich and entrench the bridge troll.

So because you bought a piece of hardware, Apple is required to provide free software... forever?

That's like saying if I build you a house, I should also pay your electric bill... forever.
 
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Street where the Mall is located = Internet
Mall = Server Hosting e.g AWS, Azure
Inner Shops = AppStore
Inner Shops Items = Apps

Well, You could open a new Mall and open a shop inside it on a street of your choice or simply open a store outside a mall on a street of your choice.

That’s competition!

Ah... you mean like Android: a new mall.
 
No one is forcing Apple to run their app store for free or run an app store at all. They can choose to charge or not charge whatever they want for app listings, ads, developer fees, commissions, etc. but at least those things will now be based on competition in more of a free and open market instead of more of a closed market with restrictions on app access.





Again, capitalism is about open competition. Apple, by restricting sideloading, alternative app stores, alternative browser engines, etc. on its dominant mobile OS, is restricting open competition.
Simple xcode will now cost 5% of a company's annual revenue. Don't want to pay you don't have a iPhone app anymore.
 
Hopefully this will not effect UK users, as we left the EU, don't include me in this nonesense......:confused:
If I wanted an unsecure phone with software downloaded from dodgy websites I would get Android.....:p
Or, when third party app stores are allowed, you could just keep downloading from the Apple App Store and not worry about anything. Your argument is a total logical fail and an attempt to spread FUD. Third party app stores and "dodgy websites" have absolutely no effect on your device's security if you don't use them. Wow, imagine that!
 
This is the sort of thing that makes me wish Apple and Google would get together and tell the EU "screw that, we're just not going to sell our hardware in the EU." I suspect the actual customers in the EU would burn the government buildings down with the lawmakers still in them.
 
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State owned does not mean state funded. They still take private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare and tricare.

The hospital in my hometown used to be state, owned, or community owned to be exact, and it worked like every other hospital, and if you didn't pay your bill, it went to collections.

For the years that they took in more than they spent, which happened often enough, it was rolled back into the building/equipment or given as bonuses.
Public funding of healthcare is certainly limited to Medicare, Medicaid and the VA for the most part. I was just pointing out that public hospitals exist in the US.

I'm all for expanding publicly funded healthcare.
 
Again, no one is forcing Apple to do anything for free. Apple clearly makes A LOT of money from their app store by charging developers fees, commissions, for ad placements, etc.

Apple's App Store charges around $99 to $299 in annual fees plus 15% to 30% on app/in-app purchases while malls typically charge rent and take no commission. It's just a different way of doing business but both still make money from "tenants."

The amount of profit is irrelevant. Forcing someone, or a company, to provide a service, for free, is unethical and is theft.

This entire situation is more like: Google and Apple are making too much money. NOT FAIR (whine whine). So let's all vote to tax them so they make, what we feel, is an acceptable amount of profit.
 
Simple xcode will now cost 5% of a company's annual revenue. Don't want to pay you don't have a iPhone app anymore.
Lol this is also regulated in the DMA.

Anyway, there are plenty of alternatives to build an App without Xcode, nothing fancy. Just like you can compile an Unreal iOS game on Windows, without owning a Mac or Xcode.
 
The amount of profit is irrelevant. Forcing someone, or a company, to provide a service, for free, is unethical and is theft.
What is being provided for free?

This entire situation is more like: Google and Apple are making too much money. NOT FAIR (whine whine). So let's all vote to tax them so they make, what we feel, is an acceptable amount of profit.
Hardly. If anything, more app stores and open platforms = more sales = more tax revenue.
 
They need to go after a lot of other products and services after this, then. A lot of manufacturers of everything and anything lock you in to their specific consumables, spare parts, stores, what not. How is Apple worse than HP who will literally brick your printer if it detects the ink is not made by HP? Or worse than Nestle with the Nescafe machines that lock you into using their own specific-designed capsules that nobody else can legally make? Digital markets are no different.

It’s good for the customer in the long-run, don’t let Apple and Google tell you otherwise, but it’s very much also just the EU being mad at US corporations for creating effective business models in a free market economy.

I’d love to be able to sideload and get my apps outside of the App Store because I want to support the developers without Apple taking a 30% cut because it’s a bit too greedy, but I wouldn’t expect Apple to provide those developers with tools like Swift, SwiftUI and all the frameworks that they develop for developers to benefit from for free. iOS is a great platform to develop for because Apple made it so, not regulations.
Just for reference, I worked at Waldenbooks in college, a former national bookstore chain. Their take was 50% off the cover price. So if you paid $30 for a book, they kept $15. So to me 30% doesn’t seem unreasonable but that’s just my opinion.
 
Just for reference, I worked at Waldenbooks in college, a former national bookstore chain. Their take was 50% off the cover price. So if you paid $30 for a book, they kept $15. So to me 30% doesn’t seem unreasonable but that’s just my opinion.
And here in the States, they let employees checkout hardcovers they resold...Never quite got that one :oops:
 
The EU is trying to give you more freedom by trouncing on someone else's. That is the definition of socialism.

A person or company should never be forced to provide anything for free.

True, but individual freedom should be greater than corporate freedom, by a large margin...and corporations should never be treated, legally or otherwise, as persons.

That said, you bought the device; it was not free. At the end of its serviceable life, it should be an open-book to the person who bought it.
 
1. Did the hospital charge for their services?

2. So you want to shut down all business and make everything non-profit?

The USSR collapsed 30 years ago.
You don't seem to understand how non-profit works. I'm not saying every business should be non-profit. Just that the model works if your goal is to support the company and not worry about profits.

1. Hospital charges for a service.
2. Hospital gets paid for said service.
3. Hospital takes money it got paid and pays its employees and vendors.
4. Any money left over goes back into the system.
5. If we don't make a surplus, we have a problem.

No Commies allowed.
 
This is the sort of thing that makes me wish Apple and Google would get together and tell the EU "screw that, we're just not going to sell our hardware in the EU." I suspect the actual customers in the EU would burn the government buildings down with the lawmakers still in them.
I fear it could become the norm. Meta launched Threads everywhere but in the EU. If they still manage to succeed without EU users, it could set a precedent. EU market isn't as huge as people pretend.
 
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Is there any specific languate in the DMA that would prevent Apple from requiring that all third-party apps, regardless of whether they are sideloaded or purchased through a third-party app store, be subject to the same requirements (including review) and fees that they are now?
 
1. Did the hospital charge for their services?

2. So you want to shut down all business and make everything non-profit?

The USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

Almost 60% of US hospitals are private not-for-profit. I work in a medium sized city with an overly large and advanced healthcare and healthcare research system. There are no for-profit hospital facilities in this city or county.

I'm employed by the biggest not-for-profit research/teaching hospital in this region, and I get paid handsomely for it. We still charge just as much everyone else.
 
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