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Apple's "dirty little secret" re: Flash
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Sorry - I forgot when you became the arbiter of what was a worthy post and what wasn't. Did you get a plaque when you were appointed?
Looks like someone got a little butthurt at being called out for ignorance.
Sorry, dude.
Looks like someone got a little butthurt at being called out for ignorance.
Sorry, dude.
Yeah no. I couldn't care less what you say really. But it's pretty arrogant of you to post what you did - so I was calling you out on it. Whatever makes you feel better though. I "called out" myself as I said I didn't read the article. And since you don't know the full financial picture of Apple at the time - any commentary mixed in with your snark is merely speculation and not fact. If you're going to try and put someone in their place - try speaking from actual fact - not arrogance. Have a great day.
Sorry, but you WERE put in your place, by your own admission of not reading an article you were spouting off about, and by someone who clearly understands the situation being discussed far better than you (I was an Apple shareholder at the time of the deal, and I know how to read a 10-K and 10-Q).
Simply admitting your lack of knowledge on this subject and bowing out gracefully would make you look better than attempting to hem and haw and call someone else names for simply showing you to be talking out of your ass. You have a great day as well.
10K and 10Q - indeed. If you had really wanted to put me in my place, so to speak, you could have stated what assets and what liabilities Apple had at the time - which WAS my question/query. But you didn't do that in your first post, or in your second. You're more concerned with trying to put me down then actually providing anything of value.
So - what were Apple's liabilities at the time of the 150M infusion by MS? Or are you, like I said, just making unsupported commentary?
Dude, just give it up, you are truly floundering at this point.
I'm not here to hold your hand and serve financial data to you on a silver platter. If you're truly interested in Apple's numbers from back then, they are publicly available, go find them yourself. The fact remains, I was then and am now aware of their situation on a level that you clearly are not, and I was speaking from that base of knowledge. All the crap talking and name calling that you come up with isn't going to change that simple truth, and only serves to make you look more silly with each desperately grasping reply. But I don't expect that's going to stop you from trying again, so have at it.
I am techy enough: 256 MB is plenty.
Flash is open ended, so it actually depends on the content itself, but 256 MB will run a lot of content.
Just to get some numbers:
1. disable flash, restart your desktop browser, and go to your favorite Flash site. Look at Task Manager/Activity Monitor and note how much RAM your browser process has allocated.
2. enable flash and repeat the test.
Compare the RAM used with flash enabled vs. disabled. That gives you an idea of how much the RAM flash will use. A mobile version of flash would hopefully be optimized to use less, of course, so you can take that as an upper bound.
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Anyhow, for a mobile device I don't think you can say that it never hurts to have more RAM. Size, weight, power usage and cost could all be impacted by more RAM.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. But if you are also being snarky and implying that I'm being hypocritical, let me remind you that I was posing questions seeking a discussion not representing my opinion as fact without any support. Nor did instigate name calling, etc.
If you're not implying the above, my apologies.
That was laughing AT FLASH, not laughing at HTML5. If you saw the video, you also saw that HTML5 can do effectively everything Flash can do. Between that ad demo and the ABC iPad app, Flash is now officially irrelevant.
Ummm - no it's not. It's definitely taken a hit. But irrelevant I think is a bit hyperbole. Irrelevant perhaps on the iPad... but in the world as a whole - not for a long time. But we can go around in circles on this discussion for years
But we can go around in circles on this discussion for years
We could, but we won't have to. As lower priced computers (see: netbooks) and devices like the iPad and iPhone continue to grab market share from a usage standpoint, and hardware and/or software limitations continue to either make Flash a disproportionate resource hog (netbooks) or ignore it altogether (iPad/iPhone) the process will only accelerate.
I don't disagree. The above poster said that flash is NOW irrelevant. NOW is not accurate. Perhaps better phrases are Flash WILL BE irrelevant. Or Flash is going to be irrelevant, etc.
No matter how loudly, proudly, and frequently you proclaim your ignorance, it remains ignorance...
Is this really what passes for rational discourse nowadays? Instead of continuing to waste all of our time in this thread, read the article before you participate further in the discussion.
Aren't you snotty. I read the article a few days back. So what? And if you feel you're wasting your time - don't read my posts or any threads I start. Like this one.
ETA: How's this. I'll be like you. Don't waste my time by posting in any thread that I create. I'm self-appointing myself as arbiter for my threads. Have a lovely day. Ridiculous right? Exactly.
Again another self-appointed arbiter of who should post, who should not and what those posts should/should not contain. You're not special.
Isn't this discussion/disagreement/argument just an updated version of when Apple dropped the 3.5" disk drive?
Funny, people thought it was the worst move and the end of Apple then... When was the last time you saw a computer with a built in 3.5" drive?
Coachingguy
Funny, people thought it was the worst move and the end of Apple then... When was the last time you saw a computer with a built in 3.5" drive?
Coachingguy
Ummm - no it's not. It's definitely taken a hit. But irrelevant I think is a bit hyperbole. Irrelevant perhaps on the iPad... but in the world as a whole - not for a long time. But we can go around in circles on this discussion for years
Give me a single example of media content that can't be presented using HTML5?
Arguments such as, "Well for starters, I wouldn't be able to have my text in big, rotating 3D with lots of popups flying around and sparkle effects" won't fly with me, because those aren't necessary. I need a real example of content where Flash is necessary.
The single one argument I can accept is HTML5 streaming video lacks DRM, but even then, content providers can use standalone apps like the ABC player, which are a more effective approach anyway. So what does that leave?
The only reason I'm staying away from the iPad is due to the lack of flash.
I cant do any of my online homework from coursecompass as its flash based and the ebooks that are available from there as well.
I cant do any of my online homework from coursecompass as its flash based and the ebooks that are available from there as well.
I really don't care what you accept or not. No offense. The iPad isn't a "necessity." Most of flash isn't either. But as of right now, the adoption rate other than Safari is pretty slim for HTML5. And HTML5 can't do a lot of things that flash can do. AT THIS TIME. The future is the future.
Flash isn't irrelevant today. I know it's a hard concept for those that want to sweep Flash under the rug like it never existed. And I'm not arguing for the use or continued use of Flash.
Keep ringing the death knell for Flash though. I would buy some aspirin though because you'll be hearing those bells for several months if not years.
Considering the security issues that seem to pop up every month with Flash, that's a Very Good Thing.
There are seemingly endless valid reasons for apple not allowing flash, and i agree with probably all of them. There are many and they have already been mentioned so I won't go into them here.
However, one that could fit nicely on the 'dirty' side is one that is not mentioned much by anyone it seems:
Content.
That huge xx% of the web is full of free flash games, video, music etc that apple is happy to sell you one app/download at a time.
I find it surprising that the anti apple crowd don't latch onto that to fuel their bitterness.
However, one that could fit nicely on the 'dirty' side is one that is not mentioned much by anyone it seems:
Content.
That huge xx% of the web is full of free flash games, video, music etc that apple is happy to sell you one app/download at a time.
I find it surprising that the anti apple crowd don't latch onto that to fuel their bitterness.
That's been brought up before, many times. And it's true. I can't wait for those cool HTML5 games!