Are you kidding me? Mobile is the future. People are doing more and more browsing on mobile devices and that number will continue to grow.
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Apple's "dirty little secret" re: Flash
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Are you kidding me? Mobile is the future. People are doing more and more browsing on mobile devices and that number will continue to grow.
You seemed to have totally missed my sentence. Let's go through this real quick
You stated
" if I had a website, losing 10% of the desktop audience and 65% of the mobile audience definitely is not acceptable. "
And I replied
"People don't code for flash for the mobile audience in the first place so they aren't losing anything."
Flash doesn't work for mobile right now. No one has coded flash for mobile right now. How do I lose audience if there was no audience for flash mobile in the first place? Even with the iphone and all mobile phones currently (100%) really not being able to use flash right now it seems to have survived. With 10.1 and faster phones there will be more marketshare for flash on phones in the future.. not less.
You have a point, but the mobile audience isn't new traffic. Mobile is supplanting desktop traffic at an accelerating pace. There needed to be a Flash solution (or alternative) yesterday.
Likely nothing to date has been done because of a combination of not knowing what to do and the economy. If you can't even fully monetize your desktop traffic, who cares about the mobile traffic falling through the cracks.
I know there is no mobile audience yet. But Android and others are getting flash. iPhone OS will NEVER get it. So if a web site doesn't drop flash, they will be losing 65% of the mobile audience.
There will not be more market share for flash because mobile users are the old desktop users. These are not new people but the same people who now prefer to surf on mobile devices. The desktop audience is shrinking and the mobile audience is rising.
Which is why I'm concerned our company has gone with Flex for our new development. We need something that will run on smart phones, the iPads and Slates of the world and give the user the applications they need at their finger tips.
Our product is for real estate professionals and I am certain they will have these products moving forward. In fact, we've already been asked about iPad support and the short answer is that will not happen until Flash is supported on the iPad. Pigs flying or snow balls in hot places are more likely is my response.
Are you on a Mac? I don't think any Mac user can say that about Flash...
I do not recall having a specific issue with Flash under OS X.
Flash is the current standard. If people are going to go away from it there has to be some incentive to do so. The current number of surfers who can use flash is far greater than those who can't. Even Palm is integrating flash into their web os for mobile devices.
Web browsing on a 3.5" screen isn't a spectacular experience and people for the most part do it out of necessity. The touch tablet market that is opening up could change things. But this is years down the road.
How many tablets will Apple have to sell to make HTML5 the standard?
Web browsing on a 3.5" screen isn't a spectacular experience and people for the most part do it out of necessity. The touch tablet market that is opening up could change things. But this is years down the road.
How many tablets will Apple have to sell to make HTML5 the standard?
Flash is a plugin that happens to have quite high market penetration.
HTML is the current standard. Don't ever suggest Flash is a standard - it's a proprietary plugin by a company that is only interested in selling the tools to generate Flash.
Standards come from RFCs or w3.org. A Programmer would know this - Designers believe standards are just the things that are used most often.
For all the shouts of 'Apple fanboy', it's amazing how many people don't realise that the only benefit Flash has, is to put money in Adobe's pockets. You'd almost think that Flash 'developers' are incapable of ever learning another language
The incentive for web designers is going to be to reach the tens of millions of mobile eyeballs using iPhone/iPod touch/iPad. If that's not enough for them, then they simply lose those users, simple as that. It's up to them to decide if that trade-off is worth clinging to Flash.
I've never heard a better argument for dumping Flash than this. By all means, Apple should follow in the footsteps of a company whose mobile strategy is a sinking ship.
You're right, I haven't used Flash on a laptop; at least for long periods of time
Another issue with Flash are screen readers and the visually impaired and blind population. It does not work. As the population ages, this will become more of an issue.
Let's see Adobe solve that problem regardless of the platform or OS.
The PS3 has 256mb of ram and it runs flash. Among some of the best looking games around. Heck, the old ones even ran Linux. 256mb of ram, if utilised correctly, is most certainly enough.
The PS3 has 256mb of ram and it runs flash. Among some of the best looking games around. Heck, the old ones even ran Linux. 256mb of ram, if utilised correctly, is most certainly enough.
and the PS3 doesn't run on battery.
Another big problem I have with flash is that it leads to lazy development. There are countless things that can be developed using JQuery instead, but developers will choose flash instead of dealing with browser incompatibilities. I also blame Microsoft here.
Well said, Flash is the standard, and with Google supposedly already having an Android tablet ready to go I don't think Apple has much chance of changing that. This is a classic case of biting of your nose to spite your face...
It's the same thing that happened to Apple back when Microsoft had to bail them out, their arrogance led to their doom, they humbled themselves after Gates saved them from bankruptcy but now that they are back on top they are making the same mistakes all over again. This time it will end up being Android that takes them down if they don't change their ways history will most certainly repeat itself.
Thanks for repeating this ignorant myth, it helps to know that I don't need to take anything you post seriously from this point forward.
An interesting variation on the original expression; and I suppose that if your face was shaped such that it was possible to bite your own nose that you might indeed be experiencing a great deal of spite.
Yep, and if you give your kids hand grenades and shotguns to play with you can imagine the results.
Flash gives developers the excuse to not learn how to write effective CSS and HTML that is cross platform.
It was an unforgettable image -- a smiling Bill Gates looking down upon Steve Jobs. The scene unfolded in August of 1997 as Gates joined Jobs' keynote speech at Macworld Expo in Boston on a giant screen via satellite from Redmond in Washington to announce that Microsoft had invested $US150 million in the company. That image drew boos from the audience but Jobs reassured that, "Microsoft is going to be a part of the game with us as we restore this company back to health".
Myth?
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2009/08/this_day_in_history_microsoft.php
Yes. MYTH.
Go look up how much cash Apple had in the bank when Micro$oft made this little "investment" and "saved" Apple from bankruptcy. Get back to us when your brain has sorted through all the actual FACTS surrounding the deal, which you obviously don't know much about.
Nobody is denying that Microsoft invested $150 million in Apple, the important question is why did Microsoft invest that money and the first paragraph of the article that you linked to gives you the answer! The investment was part of the settlement of the legal issues between the two companies. Microsoft didn't give Apple the money out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to make their problem go away.
Correct, because MS blatantly STOLE the user interface from the Mac. Well technically the LISA...