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Same experience… totally blown out of proportion… funny how people get excited these days…
There’s just so little to get a real good mad on about anymore. It’s not even like they’re the only cases out of a small selection like back in the olden days. I think there’s a number of people that feel some “ownership” of everything with an Apple logo such that if there’s a thing with an Apple logo that they don’t feel comfortable buying, it’s like a crack has appeared in the universe… it goes from “I don’t like the case and can’t see how I’d recommend it to anyone.” to “WHY HATH APPLE FORSAKEN MEEE!”
 
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Leather is a byproduct of other industries that will not be going away anytime soon. Somehow I think that leather overall has less environmental impact than these "Finewoven" plastic cases made from recovered plastic. I very much doubt there is less overall new plastic in the Finewovern than there is in leather. Remember, most plastic is also a petroleum product, so that is also high on the environmental impact scale. I realize that *most* of the plastic in Finewoven is recovered from the ocean, but there are other uses for that recovered plastic than an overpriced chintzy phone case to go on my 1200 dollar phone. Abandoning Leather for these cheap cases is simple virtue signaling. If you want to be eco-friendly then do not use a case and upgrade your phone as seldomly as possible.
My post was not a defence of FineWoven. It's clearly a bad product.

I was just saying that leather production (yes, that includes the raising, feeding, housing and carbon emissions of the animal, but more importantly the actual toxic processes to convert the raw material into leather) has a worse environmental impact than nearly anything else.

And leather is less of a byproduct, and more of a co-product. If leather stopped being sold, the price of meat would drastically increase; it currently subsidises the meat industry.

I wouldn't want to force others into my own ethics about this, but one must recognise that being eco-friendly must have its consequences on the meat industry as a whole.
 
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Here's my FW (Pacific Blue) I've been since Friday. Looks pretty normal to me.

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My post was not a defence of FineWoven. It's clearly a bad product.

I was just saying that leather production (yes, that includes the raising, feeding, housing and carbon emissions of the animal, but more importantly the actual toxic processes to convert the raw material into leather) has a worse environmental impact than nearly anything else.

And leather is less of a byproduct, and more of a co-product. If leather stopped being sold, the price of meat would drastically increase; it currently subsidises the meat industry.

I wouldn't want to force others into my own ethics about this, but one must recognise that being eco-friendly must have its consequences on the meat industry as a whole.

Seems to me that animal skins have served humanity well for about as long as…well…as long as there have been humans and animals. Of course I say that after eating a homemade grilled cheeseburger while wearing an Apple Watch with a leather band that I love.
 
Seems to me that animal skins have served humanity well for about as long as…well…as long as there have been humans and animals. Of course I say that after eating a homemade grilled cheeseburger while wearing an Apple Watch with a leather band that I love.
I wasn't denying their usefulness either :)
But people are getting concerned about the environment these days, without recognising the costs it will incur.
 
LOL!!! Apple trying to “save the planet”. And brainwashed people fund their BS. Stay away of these cases.
 
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This must be the biggest piece of hot garbage that Apple has yet released. I would be really interested in knowing what the thought process was here.
It's all part of apple's woke ESG movement to zero carbon. Luckily there will still be third party leather cases and bands for the iphone and watch. The funny thing is people aren't going to stop eating beef so why not use the cowhide instead of letting it go to waste?
 
I think where Apple screwed up real bad was saying this was the replacement for leather, if they had just said,,, we are no longer making real leather products, it would of been better. Then release fine woven as a new material on its own and let it fail on it's own.
True. Why wait for the keynote to discontinue leather? If it is so virtuous and environmentally important they should have done it the day the decision was made.
i knew something was up because the iPhone 12 leather cases have been gone for a while. The mini, a much less popular phon, still has stock, but the 12/12Pro leather has been gone for months. Since the 12/12pro design was a 1 year wonde, they let the cases run out even though they still had the silicone.
I have never run my fingernail on a case, but now, it’s become the thing cool dudes do because they read about it ”on the internet.” If the case truly doesn’t wear well over several months, fine, but at this point, it seems like such a lot about nothing. It’s kind of disturbing it gets so much digital ink.

Like you, I‘ve not had issues but if I do, I’ll criticize Apple. Once all this fury blows over, these cases will probably become the best cases ever. A simple twist of fate.
true. Scratch a leather case and see what happens. Ouch
 
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My post was not a defence of FineWoven. It's clearly a bad product.

I was just saying that leather production (yes, that includes the raising, feeding, housing and carbon emissions of the animal, but more importantly the actual toxic processes to convert the raw material into leather) has a worse environmental impact than nearly anything else.

And leather is less of a byproduct, and more of a co-product. If leather stopped being sold, the price of meat would drastically increase; it currently subsidises the meat industry.

I wouldn't want to force others into my own ethics about this, but one must recognise that being eco-friendly must have its consequences on the meat industry as a whole.
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate that I did not offend you with my response as I surely did not want to offend you. I still believe, if beef is being sold for food and leather is also a product derived from that overall process that has to account for something. Would it not be more wasteful if beef was consumed as food and leather was not used? I do not believe that beef consumption will be stopping or slowing anytime soon. Plastic mainly is derived out of oil wells and that is more impactful than beef production.
 
Of course they show damage on those cases -- they have people running their fingernails up and down them. That is not normal usage. Perhaps my opinion is unpopular, but I have had the case since Friday and haven't had any issues, and my cutout is spot on. This is the second article talking about how many people hate the cases, with no mention of positive feedback.
It’s normal. Cases get scratched. What kind of skin do you have in the game for a $2T company.

The cases are garbage
 
Dumbest reason ever.

Nomad and others are high fiving as they sell the utterly (hehe) luxurious leather cases without Apple competition!
Along with recycled materials in the FineWoven cases which also endorses carbon neutrality, I would bet Apple’s profit margin is at least the same or more than the leather cases it was selling.
 
I gladly pay a premium for Apple products such as iphones & iPads because they are the best products. But i draw the line at Apple cases. $59 for the Apple woven case? And $49 for their silicon case? 😂 You can get similar cases on Amazon for $10 bucks.
Their cables also are terrible quality. Deliberately. So they can sell more.

My post was not a defence of FineWoven. It's clearly a bad product.

I was just saying that leather production (yes, that includes the raising, feeding, housing and carbon emissions of the animal, but more importantly the actual toxic processes to convert the raw material into leather) has a worse environmental impact than nearly anything else.

And leather is less of a byproduct, and more of a co-product. If leather stopped being sold, the price of meat would drastically increase; it currently subsidises the meat industry.

I wouldn't want to force others into my own ethics about this, but one must recognise that being eco-friendly must have its consequences on the meat industry as a whole.

If you think leather is bad (it's really not compared to plastic production - particularly given the longevity of leather products), wait until you find out how Titanium is processed - especially compared to aluminum and steel.
 
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I'm glad they sell very few of these junk items, designed and intended to support the global scam orchestrated by a group of people who have established a global censorship on every media and every year, board their highly polluting private jets and gather in Davos, practically seizing the city and feasting for days on end with unrestrained luxury, indulging in excesses with libations they want to ban for us, and deciding the rules of the world, including depriving us, little by little, of everything, starting with cars and then with houses (Europe teaches us). But it's also fine with the absurdity of replacing the skin of phone cases with garbage that is worthless but costs three times as much.
 
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