Apple's Glass Jaw revealed by Steam VR test

[H2SO4]

Drop the crap car anologies.....

This is the dumbest analogy I have seen for a long time, majority of 4x4s are made for urban use and completely not suitable for off road use, it's funny you think these have anything to do with off road use lol.... Actually if you took those off road it would be dangerous, especially if u roll one.

A gaming PC is the most suitable tool for VR currently, if you have too much money, yeah but a workstation CPU/GPU, good knows why, cause a gaming PC you can over clock while a workstation you cannot....why would extra CPU/GPU grunt be useful in VR eh????

Let me guess, you would take a BMW X5 off road ? Ha ha ha.

I can guarantee you, very very very few people would buy an actual off road vechicle and use it for urban use, it is not comfortable or a joy to drive in the cities.....those that do, would actually use it off road.

LOL, way to miss the point.
I could be taking the merits of toaster against a grill.

PEOPLE BUY WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND WHAT SUITS THEM. Which part of that is troubling to you? Land Rovers are very common amongst 4x4. I see plenty of G-Wagons. On the road.
If you want to assume that all ‘real’ 4x4 vehicle should be like Stalwarts that’s up to you.
Thousand of people use vans for gods sake and guess what, the back is empty.

Again, it’s what suits them and their budget.

 

[MH01]

LOL, way to miss the point.
I could be taking the merits of toaster against a grill.

PEOPLE BUY WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND WHAT SUITS THEM. Which part of that is troubling to you? Land Rovers are very common amongst 4x4. I see plenty of G-Wagons. On the road.
If you want to assume that all ‘real’ 4x4 vehicle should be like Stalwarts that’s up to you.
Thousand of people use vans for gods sake and guess what, the back is empty.

Again, it’s what suits them and their budget.

leave the car anology , you have no idea what you talking about.

Yes you can also use a screw driver as a hammer.....and I'm the one missing the point lol....

 

[H2SO4]

leave the car anology , you have no idea what you talking about.

Yes you can also use a screw driver as a hammer.....and I'm the one missing the point lol....

They should call you Mastercard cos you’re priceless..
FACT - You buy what you can afford, so that part is dealt with at least.

As to analogies again, who cares which you choose. The fact is you buy what suits you, why I have no idea what I’m talking bout only you know. On cars, I used to own a luxury coupe. So it had two doors and not much rear space, but here’s the important thing, it was my money and it suited me and so it goes.

If Joe Bloggs wants to buy a 12 core Mac Pro to game on that’s down to him.

Screw drive as a hammer, LOL. You had to choose two completely different tools to fail to make you point?
What you should have compared was a Ball Pein hammer and a mallet. Are you actually trying that hard to be stupid?

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

And the pros arent. And the apologists have made it possible for apple to slack even more.
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Do you understand what the Mac Pro is for ?

Apparently for honing the apologists' abilities to equivocate.
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I work as a CAD software application consultant and besides being a gimmick (the customer walking around in the model) there is no real added value for VR here. CAD is all about what the customer needs to see, not an experience, and more importantly the derived work drawings for the builders. And all in the most time efficient way as possible of course. Same was the case for 3D glasses/monitors, it was a short lived hype but in practice no one uses it in CAD.

The only true appliance I see for VR is in education and/or entertainment (the later being the most important).

Maybe, but much the same was said about the GUI. Pixar is making VR films. Point is, it's a new creative outlet. Maybe it goes the way of the dodo, maybe it's the next big thing, maybe it's a valuable niche. But it's something mac creatives cannot explore. And for ridiculous reasons.

People somehow apologizing for apple selling a 3 year old mac pro for full original price is laughable and I'm not sure what's more pathetic... that apple isnt embarrassed by it's offerings, or fanboys desperately apologizing for it, rather than demanding better.
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Can you cite some real world examples where today VR is used in anything mainstream other than gaming?

How will it be useful to those who actually work with their computers.

I just don't see it.

Now pitch your tent, dust off your crystal ball and tell all ! ! !

Oh and serious gamers don't use Mac workstations for gaming!

Yea, how about pixar movies:

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/oculus-story-studio-making-henry/

Also, there are new UI paradigms building up around VR. Think of every surface being an infinite whiteboard. Having infinite 'screen space' where you look to the left or right and see more desktop/window room. Going into a new physical room has new windows/files/data. Lot of creative stuff being developed, and guess who's not participating. Any apple users.
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Sure thing, you'll just start skype/facetime and boom, VR? Honestly, there are a lot of hurdles before any of this is on a level which is anything near good enough of an experience. Gaming is relatively "simple" as an example but even in that field a lot of people experience motion sickness.

Also just imagine what needs to be simulated for your eyes and mind to be tricked, it will not be a smooth sale on something as experience based like travel promotion, buying a kitchen or an estate. Sure it might add a bit of a feeling perhaps, but would that make the experience as a whole really better, taking drawbacks like motion sickness in consideration?

There is no freely walking around real estate without the whole place being scanned in 3D (a 360 camera wouldnt cut it for a scan), given certain parameters after that and carefully filled in with pictures to represent colours, not even mentioning lighting (a whole other dimension to take in account). .

Um, one of these cheepo cameras in every room would suffice...

http://www.samsung.com/us/explore/gear-360/?cid=ppc-

Apple has added more and more people, but their product output/throughput has slowed. They are missing the boat on adding at least some touch onto their laptops. They have never stepped up and added some trackpad and basic file management abilities to the ipad. And they are missing the boat on VR.

They also missed the boat on burning to CDs, and steve jobs acknowledged that and corrected it. No one there seems to be correcting any of this and thats why you have a company selling a 3 year old computer for the full original retail price.

 

[bokkow]

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Maybe, but much the same was said about the GUI. Pixar is making VR films. Point is, it's a new creative outlet. Maybe it goes the way of the dodo, maybe it's the next big thing, maybe it's a valuable niche. But it's something mac creatives cannot explore. And for ridiculous reasons.

People somehow apologizing for apple selling a 3 year old mac pro for full original price is laughable and I'm not sure what's more pathetic... that apple isnt embarrassed by it's offerings, or fanboys desperately apologizing for it, rather than demanding better.

Agree on that first piece. But if that second part is aimed at my reaction I'd have to disappoint you, I am certainly not apologising for Apples lack of care for the true professional market. I would demand better if it affected my profession for sure. To me my Mac Pro is hobby material.

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Um, one of these cheepo cameras in every room would suffice...

http://www.samsung.com/us/explore/gear-360/?cid=ppc-

Apple has added more and more people, but their product output/throughput has slowed. They are missing the boat on adding at least some touch onto their laptops. They have never stepped up and added some trackpad and basic file management abilities to the ipad. And they are missing the boat on VR.

They also missed the boat on burning to CDs, and steve jobs acknowledged that and corrected it. No one there seems to be correcting any of this and thats why you have a company selling a 3 year old computer for the full original retail price.

Agree on the last part here haha. But that cheapo camera (which was being used by Casey Neistat at the Oscars, for the people that are interested in the quality; check out his youtube channel) does not convey virtual reality, it only offers 360 panning in video's. Great feature and I think this would be better in translating an experience with for example an estate-tour than virtual reality can do, at the very least at this point in time.

 

[linuxcooldude]

People somehow apologizing for apple selling a 3 year old mac pro for full original price is laughable and I'm not sure what's more pathetic... that apple isnt embarrassed by it's offerings, or fanboys desperately apologizing for it, rather than demanding better.

Premium product...premium price. El cheapo product...cheap price. Thats why Mac products retain their value even after you sell them to someone else. El cheapo products turn into super el cheapo price on resale.

If you want depreciating prices, stick with the PC brands.

They also missed the boat on burning to CDs, and steve jobs acknowledged that and corrected it. No one there seems to be correcting any of this and thats why you have a company selling a 3 year old computer for the full original retail price.

Now we have no CD/DVD drives on Macs.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Agree on that first piece. But if that second part is aimed at my reaction I'd have to disappoint you, I am certainly not apologising for Apples lack of care for the true professional market. I would demand better if it affected my profession for sure. To me my Mac Pro is hobby material.

Agree on the last part here haha. But that cheapo camera (which was being used by Casey Neistat at the Oscars, for the people that are interested in the quality; check out his youtube channel) does not convey virtual reality, it only offers 360 panning in video's. Great feature and I think this would be better in translating an experience with for example an estate-tour than virtual reality can do, at the very least at this point in time.

Agreed on that all of this is very early, and frankly crude. But so was the original mac. And it's exciting stuff if you're creative or just an enthusiast to partake in. Of course, that's just my opinion, and those will vary.
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Premium product...premium price. El cheapo product...cheap price. Thats why Mac products retain their value even after you sell them to someone else. El cheapo products turn into super el cheapo price on resale.

If you want depreciating prices, stick with the PC brands.

Now we have no CD/DVD drives on Macs.

Let all those planes by without a second thought.

 

[Flint Ironstag]

Drop the crap car anologies.....


I can guarantee you, very very very few people would buy an actual off road vechicle and use it for urban use, it is not comfortable or a joy to drive in the cities.....those that do, would actually use it off road.

How about you drop the car analogies. You do know that the vast majority of Jeeps and Range Rovers (both capable off-roaders) are driven by affluent urbanites and will never turn a wheel in anger on a gravel driveway, much less off-road.

[edit] other posters have already made this point, but it still stands...

 

[AidenShaw]

How about you drop the car analogies. You do know that the vast majority of Jeeps and Range Rovers (both capable off-roaders) are driven by affluent urbanites and will never turn a wheel in anger on a gravel driveway, much less off-road.

[edit] other posters have already made this point, but it still stands...

MH01 sounds like a muscle car with gunk in his carburetor - we should send him a bottle of STP to clean his nozzles.



Maybe he thinks that Quadrajet is an Nvidia GPU.

 

[psycho bob]

Maybe I'm just getting on a bit now but I couldn't give a toss about VR, until we have the true holo deck experience where we can interact (virtually) without clumsy gloves or actions with our surroundings I see it going the same way as 3D. The next big thing to be over taken by something else due to high costs or more likely a lack of practical and well executed application.

Aiming at the high end market is fine but you need to shift units and appealing to any mac market will be niche at best. High end PC gaming is fine but again niche, the number of 980 and Titan cards sold compared to games consoles will be miniscule. If VR is going to take off it will need Sony, Microsoft for consoles and dare I say it Google/Samsung and Apple in the mobile gaming spaces to make a real impact. Stating that todays high end is tomorrows middle ground is true but the world will have moved on and grown bored by that stage. Wasn't motion control for games consoles the next revolution? the aforementioned 3D tech the best thing since sliced bread for TV and theatre? 4K is already being given its marching orders for 8K broadcasting in the far east. Haven't we been here with VR before?

If you take out the simulators and the high end applications such as virtulisation general console type gaming is where VR will have to make its mark and I for one am no more likely to sit for a casual game with a VR headset on then I was wearing 3D glasses.

 

[AidenShaw]

Maybe I'm just getting on a bit now....

Yes, you are getting on.

You're trying to fit VR into what you did the last decade.

VR will be about the mainstream in the next decade.

Right now, the hardware requirements are high (and completely missed by any Apple system). In a few years mainstream PC systems and consoles will have the hardware (but will Apple still be trying to hook people with a new color for Iphones?).

 

[Bubba Satori]

Maybe I'm just getting on a bit now but I couldn't give a toss about VR...

Hey, it's helping to pay the bills around here.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Right now, the hardware requirements are high (and completely missed by any Apple system).

Not totally technically true. If you have a cMP, and throw in a Titan, you're set. Or an eGPU through thunderbolt. Albeit in windows. :/

That said, of course youre right in spirit. No one is going to write for a platform where the only machine(s) that could run the software are 6 years old, or through a thunderbolt kludge.

 

[dpny]

VR will be about the mainstream in the next decade.

Maybe. Or maybe, a decade from now, it will be a niche thing, used in some industries but largely forgotten. In the last thirty years I've lost track of all the things which were supposed to be the Next Big Thing. I will wait and see on VR.

Of course, ten years from now my phone will pack more computing power than my current desktop, so who knows what we'll have.

 

[MH01]

MH01 sounds like a muscle car with gunk in his carburetor - we should send him a bottle of STP to clean his nozzles.

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Maybe he thinks that Quadrajet is an Nvidia GPU.

Mate, I've actually tried to be respectful of you, on a number of posts on this thread, you have ignored my attempts and have frankly been a **** about it, mocking me, classy!

Have a good weekend.
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How about you drop the car analogies. You do know that the vast majority of Jeeps and Range Rovers (both capable off-roaders) are driven by affluent urbanites and will never turn a wheel in anger on a gravel driveway, much less off-road.

[edit] other posters have already made this point, but it still stands...

Don't worry I'm out.

i doubt anyone here has been in an actual 4x4 made for outback use. Bless you guys think those urban 4x4s are designed for off road use lol

 

[H2SO4]

Mate, I've actually tried to be respectful of you, on a number of posts on this thread, you have ignored my attempts and have frankly been a **** about it, mocking me, classy!

Have a good weekend.
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Don't worry I'm out.

i doubt anyone here has been in an actual 4x4 made for outback use. Bless you guys think those urban 4x4s are designed for off road use lol

Again, Mercedes Benz Gelande Wagen, (not the G63), Land Rover Defender, been in both. No doubt you mean nothing less than Unimog tho.

 

[psycho bob]

Yes, you are getting on.

You're trying to fit VR into what you did the last decade.

VR will be about the mainstream in the next decade.

Right now, the hardware requirements are high (and completely missed by any Apple system). In a few years mainstream PC systems and consoles will have the hardware (but will Apple still be trying to hook people with a new color for Iphones?).

At the risk of this being one of those 'the iPod will be an epic failure' posts I'll have a sports man's wager with that in a decade VR will be in the same position that 3D is now with the market place at least in terms of the goggle wearing concept we see it as now.

 

[sigmadog]

i doubt anyone here has been in an actual 4x4 made for outback use.

Raises hand.

 

[monokakata]

Again, Mercedes Benz Gelande Wagen, (not the G63), Land Rover Defender, been in both. No doubt you mean nothing less than Unimog tho.

Unimog! Never thought I'd see a mention of Unimog on MacRumors. I've been in one, and driven one, in the deep deep rainforest of the southerwestern Pacific. Strange vehicles but will go anywhere and can be towing a big trailer while doing so. I've even seen one here in Hilo. As for me, my daily driver is a 4Runner Trail Premium and yes, at least every couple of weeks I have it on some fairly gnarly trails -- not for off-road sport, but for practical jobs.

 

[lowendlinux]

Unimog! Never thought I'd see a mention of Unimog on MacRumors. I've been in one, and driven one, in the deep deep rainforest of the southerwestern Pacific. Strange vehicles but will go anywhere and can be towing a big trailer while doing so. I've even seen one here in Hilo. As for me, my daily driver is a 4Runner Trail Premium and yes, at least every couple of weeks I have it on some fairly gnarly trails -- not for off-road sport, but for practical jobs.

The problem wit unimogs is their weight. I'll stick to my jeeps and Defenders though I do have a German friend who has a Gwagon on 37's

 

[VAGDesign]

For me, VR is something like Wii/ M$ Kinect era.
Too much hive for no reason on consumer.
It's like the "must have" wave have hit the future.

Social networking need it, that's why they push it forward. Instead of let you go out and create, they put you into a virtual world standing into a room, pretend you're elsewhere. Get a life instead, no hardware requirements but health and passion to live.

Cheers and have fun!

 

[nigelbb]

Maybe. Or maybe, a decade from now, it will be a niche thing, used in some industries but largely forgotten. In the last thirty years I've lost track of all the things which were supposed to be the Next Big Thing. I will wait and see on VR.

3D has been the Next Big Thing for about 60 years now & it's still niche & crap & will never work in its current form. Using stereoscopic tricks to fool the brain that it's seeing real 3D objects (or VR) is a dead end. In a few hundred years when there is some sort of direct stimulation of the visual cortex then maybe 3D & VR will become mainstream but it definitely won't be in our lifetimes.

 

[H2SO4]

The problem wit unimogs is their weight. I'll stick to my jeeps and Defenders though I do have a German friend who has a Gwagon on 37's

I was exaggerating because MH01 was. I’ll come down a step and say The Mercedes G-Class LAPV. Ignore the fact that it’s armoured and think of the virtually go anywhere ability. Portal axles etc, etc, etc.
Mind you it weighs about 5000KG!!!

 

[Bubba Satori]

http://www.zdnet.com/topic/vr-and-ar-the-business-reality/