That’s complete speculation on your side, so why don’t we worry about it if it happens? I predict it doesn’t.
This system certainly doesn’t change anything, as Apple could already push any software at any time.
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Apple's iPhone scanning scandal and the Mac
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This system certainly doesn’t change anything, as Apple could already push any software at any time.
Many people did trust Apple on privacy, until this very issue.
Even if you believe what they’re saying, it’s an appalling system and Apple has made exactly zero effort to get people on board by allowing validation of their code or oversight of their results.
As I understand it, they are using a clever way to make sure you are not impinging on someone else's privacy in a particularly insidious and nasty way, but using the least intrusive into your domain and in a way protecting themselves.
Back to the T+C. Don't like it, walk away or disable the function.
Honestly at this point, all political stuff regarding privacy is pointless since we as a society have successfully converged into that one singular outcome that certain countries achieved decades ago.
Most people will ignore the warning of real danger just like rest of those warnings and most parents will rejoice without understanding the underlying of machine learning anyways. Our society has tried and failed again and again to understand this fundamental thing: every coin has two sides. There is never an absolute right or wrong no matter how you spin it. CSAM will never truly be eliminated, nor pedophiles, nor any other type of crime. Apple’s action, as well as all other companies, are heading towards a dangerous utopia that they might eventually regret when it is too late to back off and escape.
Good to see you already picked the side. Hope you will enjoy it.
Apple didn’t care about CSAM scanning on their own servers like other companies have already been doing. Now they’ve found a way to shift the costs onto the user they’ve decided it’s time to act.
I feel like people completely misunderstand how this works.
Telling people to “walk away” is not an argument nor realistic. People depend on their iPhones, iPads and Macs, have invested a lot of money in them and have been locked into the Apple ecosystem. Ironically, relying on Apple’s apparently false assurances that they respect your privacy.
That's true, but I have listened to some in the past. (way too many times)
The thing to do is to avoid illegal activity.
But then there is the category of actions similar to SWATTING or IP or phone spoofing. The latter happens to me on a daily basis where someone spoofs a local phone number to call me to get me to pick up to do some marketing or tell me that my car warranty has expired or that I owe the IRS. Interestingly, Apple has done some work to decrease the nuisance-factor of this.
People do get convicted for things that they didn't do:
Innocence Project
We work to free the innocent, prevent wrongful convictions, and create fair, compassionate, and equitable systems of justice for everyone.
innocenceproject.org
Being a friend of Big Brother? That's so slippery a slope it makes me cry. You have no clue what might happen out of your control when you're talking about what can happen on your phone. I suppose that disabling the camera physically, iMessage/sms/mms, and email, you might not get framed, but even then I wouldn't bet on it anymore.
When governments or by proxy, companies, use the terrorism or childporn catch-phrase to erode some of your freedoms or institute extra surveillance, eventually they're going to use it for anything they'd like. You should not think lightly about the consequences. It's sad that many don't bat an eye and agree with the surveillance. The "I've got nothing to hide"-mantra stems from pure ignorance.
No, you didn't, you basically just said we were already vulnerable -- this is a huge new vulnerability, and one we actually pay Apple to do to us. (That's one of the big differences)
Because it would be illegal for them to inform you that they had flagged your account and informed the government.
No, not illegal at all. In the US they are required by Federal law to do so.
I guess my pictures of my kid I took in the bathtub would qualify? So much for ICloud. Actually, he is 35 now, so those pictures aren't on the Cloud. But that actually says more about Apple's ICloud being vulnerable to hacking than anything. Nothing is safe.
Apple explains how iPhones will scan photos for child-sexual-abuse images
Apple offers technical details, claims 1-in-1 trillion chance of false positives.arstechnica.com
Yep, it'll be included on Monterey as well.
Screw this.
My photos and video are getting taken down and so much for all the fun.
The bottom line is it's my private property, and at least in the U.S., you don't get to step foot on, much less search, my private property without probable cause and a search warrant.
My M1 MBA was never my main computer anyhow, so all I need to do is nuke-n-pave it and sell it off.
None of these device spying things are a factor in Linux. It's actually a pretty darned good argument for people to switch to libre-licensed, open source software entirely.
You'll never see me make this kind of misjudgement again.
My M1 MBA was never my main computer anyhow, so all I need to do is nuke-n-pave it and sell it off.
None of these device spying things are a factor in Linux. It's actually a pretty darned good argument for people to switch to libre-licensed, open source software entirely.
You'll never see me make this kind of misjudgement again.
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Cyanite posted:
"If you don’t trust Apple, why would you use their devices and services?"
I've been a Mac user for 34 years now.
But...
I don't use iCloud.
I've never used the cloud.
I never will use the cloud.
I've never trusted it before, don't trust it now, and won't trust it in the future.
Actually, the only Apple products I use are Macs.
No iPhones.
No iPads.
No "anything else"...
Look at the avatar.
I really am "a troglodyte"...
(don't even own a smartphone of any kind...)
"If you don’t trust Apple, why would you use their devices and services?"
I've been a Mac user for 34 years now.
But...
I don't use iCloud.
I've never used the cloud.
I never will use the cloud.
I've never trusted it before, don't trust it now, and won't trust it in the future.
Actually, the only Apple products I use are Macs.
No iPhones.
No iPads.
No "anything else"...
Look at the avatar.
I really am "a troglodyte"...
(don't even own a smartphone of any kind...)
Why does everyone think Apple backtracked on their privacy policies???
they could have easily implemented this server-side like other companies and nobody would have been none the wiser.
but they deliberately do it on device so nobody, including Apple, has access to your stuff. It’s well within their rights to not want millions of CSAM pics on their servers so it’s great for them to have implemented a privacy-oriented solution where no one can access your data, but still be able to suspend certain accounts.
they could have easily implemented this server-side like other companies and nobody would have been none the wiser.
but they deliberately do it on device so nobody, including Apple, has access to your stuff. It’s well within their rights to not want millions of CSAM pics on their servers so it’s great for them to have implemented a privacy-oriented solution where no one can access your data, but still be able to suspend certain accounts.
No they would not qualify. Unless the pictures of your kid are on an already existing database of KNOWN child pornography images.
This is the fundamental misunderstanding that people seem to have about how this system works.