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Apple's iPhone scanning scandal and the Mac
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Actually, that's not true -- if it's flagged with their algorithm, Apple has access to it, and whoever they turn it in to. (for now -- and it sets a dangerous precedent.)
Don‘t you see that what you are saying here is: they access my stuff so nobody (…) has access to my stuff?
Which you might be quite wrong. A hash is just a number output from whatever calculates it from a pic -- and that number can be matched by the hash of a totally unrelated pic -- and there's no way you can say it can't happen.
Review the bank secrecy act and the patriot act…. It is illegal for the bank to make the person aware they’ve been reported.
But he didn’t say that. They do NOT access your stuff. Your own phone accesses your stuff (and only if you gave permission for Apple to access your stuff, which this process does not do). Then, only if you have more than some number of known illegal photos on your device is there even a chance that anyone will access your stuff. And there is less than a 1 in a trillion chance of this happening unless you really do have multiple known illegal photos on your phone. And in that case, the only stuff that is accessed is a highly de-rezzed copy of the allegedly illegal photos.
And none of that happens unless you’ve already turned on the “send all my photos to apple” switch on your phone.
They DO. Its their software, yes, but they do. There is no way of knowing what they really do, all that is clear is: they are snooping around my private stuff. Which is none of their business, at all
What makes matters worse is: if they feel they found something they don‘t even tell you. There is no way for me to know that they believe they found something or what that might have been.
On my device! In my rulebook that‘s intrusive. And actually very much resembling the methods of past and current authoritarian states I am awfully happy not to live in
Plus, almost certainly a violation of GDPR, i.e. unlawful in the EU
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Until they decide to remove that opt out option, which is only a question of when, not if
You should really wait until something happens. You're dreaming up so many scenarios and "What If's" that haven't even happened.
Perhaps you didn't know that the software that runs on your iPhone is not yours to own but rather it is licensed to you to use. Pretty sure a 2+ trillion dollar company has already consulted their legal team.
The system should be open sourced and governed by a non profit.
If there is a possibility of misuse (which there is), there will be misuse.
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Wait until it happens otherwise it's only a theory. If there are wrong doings you have power to sue.
You miss my point. looking at illegal content that they are talking about is a crime.
Yes. That's the problem. If I'm using a public cloud, I understand that my data is leaving my device, and is no longer private. What Apple is doing, is taking my private data and turning it public because "think of the children". Sorry, but I like my private data private. If my wife sends me nude photos, I don't want there to be a chance that someone on the other side of the world sees it. If it's that important that they scan iCloud photos, they can do it on their dime, using their CPU cycles, not mine.
You make it sound as if your iPhone has a mind of its own. Well, it doesn’t. It’s doing whatever Apple programs it to do. In this case, scanning all your private photos with an unverifiable algorithm and sending any flagged photos to Apple after which an unknown person visually inspects them. All without you being aware of any of this. Police need a reasonable cause and a warrant for this very same thing, but Apple is allowed to simply because you pressed a button to enable iCloud Photos that doesn’t even remotely explain the consequences of doing so?
I did not miss your point but you neglected to read what I said when I stated that Apple no doubt has consulted their legal team. You're acting like Apple is some mom & pop shop that doesn't know what they are doing. No major corporation is stupid enough not to consult their legal team before taking any action.
And when the “theory” pans out, you can’t do anything because it’s already on your phone.
And when the theory doesn't pan out....Once again there's nothing but "What IF's" posted here.
Unless it's done by one of those classified subpoenas, and I doubt Apple will have a warrant canary for each person/account
How soon will it be before Apple starts scanning for pirated software, music and movies on customers hardware?
Although the scan is considered on-device, it is done with the express purpose of keeping these photos off of Apple's iCloud servers. It is part of the iCloud photo syncing process. You have to agree to allow them to do it. You want privacy don't use cloud services and use encryption liberally. The truth is that Apple's solution is as private as you will get compared to using any other cloud service.
Well if you're pirating software you're already committing a crime.