General Apple's promises and reality

[I7guy]

Unless someone can show me an iPad 2 that runs a clean install of iOS 9 better or the same as a clean install of iOS 8 or an install of iOS 8 and iOS 9 with the same backup where iOS 9 is faster or the same I'd have to chalk your experiences down to perception or placebo. Safari may be a little faster from some performance enhancements but that doesn't really compensate for every app taking longer to load. The difference is in seconds in some cAses.

If you chalk up my experience to perception or placebo I can chalk your experience up to incompatible hardware. This is just silly right now. We each have different views and some of my views are echoed in these posts; are they all placebo or perception?

 

[oldmacs]

If you chalk up my experience to perception or placebo I can chalk your experience up to incompatible hardware. This is just silly right now. We each have different views and some of my views are echoed in these posts; are they all placebo or perception?

Except that I did the testing across 3 iPads and my results are similar to that of Ars Technica. 3 fully working iPads don't lie.

I fully give you that in your perception it might be faster and it sounds more than likely you had a dodgy install of iOS 8. I'm not disputing your perception - but you can't say iOS 9 is faster oh an iPad 2 unless it is and so far nobody has proven with actual data/ video that it is.
It is a shame as I would love it to be.

 

[deeznuts]

They won't hire me. Whats plan B? I hope its complaining!

Thats okay buddy, you'll find another job

My car just stopped responding when I stepped on my brakes, and all of a sudden the car turned right when I wanted to turn left. I crashed, and my passenger suffered tremendous injury, because the air bag didn't deploy. Ah well, I should've stepped into the Engineer's shoes and understand it's difficult to fix problems.

Want to rethink what you said?

Nah I'm good with what I said, makes sense. Maybe you should rethink it

 

[noslenam]

Ok yes people are complaining about issues with iOS 9 and 9.0.1. I've been using my iPhones since day one and every iOS version as well. I can say that in the past I always read about people complaining about poor, laggy iOS issues with every release and just figured it was the nobles that loved to complain about everything. Well unfortunately it's happened to me. My iPhone 6+ was running great and smith on iOS 8.4. After upgrading its has been a total mess. I can't keep track of all the issues I'm having. Safari locking up, photo app causing issues, camera locking up when trying to change between photo and video options, about a 5-6 second lag every once and awhile when typing. Complete system freezes. I was having issues on a clean install with stock apps so I know it's not other apps causing the issues. I have also noticed a big reduction in battery life as well. I find myself having to charge by the early afternoon. Nothing has changed from my day to day use. Frustrated and hoping Apple makes fixes quick.

 

[crashoverride77]

If they couldn't deliver, then why mention it at all. The iOS 9 site clearly says foundation will deliver improved performance etc. False advertising I say.

Besides - why should iOS 9 be slower? They've had a whole year to develop it and it has minimal new features compared to previous releases so I have no idea what they spent the last year doing.

Under the hood stuff such as metal?Which clearly is not quite ready yet

 

[oldmacs]

Why don't you just sit down & be quiet, cuz all you do I complain like little girl

Why don't you just sit down and not comment then if you don't want to see complaints? Go live in that world where it's ok for Apple to release half baked versions of iOS.

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Under the hood stuff such as metal?Which clearly is not quite ready yet

Why is it slower on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4S then? No metal, no proactive, no content blockers. Should be at least as fast as iOS 8.

If it was't ready then why was it released?

 

[crashoverride77]

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Why is it slower on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4S then? No metal, no proactive, no content blockers. Should be at least as fast as iOS 8.

If it was't ready then why was it released?

The million dollar question you could probably ask any company that releases software, ever.
I also love how iOS 8 is the benchmark now, last year it was 7.1, the year before it was iOS 6. iOS 9 is propably the most stable and bug free .0 release in years, and yes it's not perfect.

Also let's face facts, the iPad 2 and 4s should have died years ago. 512 ram and an a5 will only do so much in 2015.

 

[oldmacs]

The million dollar question you could probably ask any company that releases software, ever.
I also love how iOS 8 is the benchmark now, last year it was 7.1, the year before it was iOS 6. iOS 9 is propably the most stable and bug free .0 release in years, and yes it's not perfect.

Also let's face facts, the iPad 2 and 4s should have died years ago. 512 ram and an a5 will only do so much in 2015.

It's only the benchmark because iOS 9 is even slower than iOS 8 - Delatite the opposite being promised.

It may be stable but the fact that it lags so much on hardware as modern as the mini 2 is a joke. Similar issues have been observed all over YouTube.

Sure the 4S and iPad 2 are getting on, but it's good they're still supported given how expensive they are. Longer support cycles only benefit the user. That being said, apple ahould be able to have them run at least as well as iOS 8 (which is a joke considering how poorly iOS 8 ran).

Simply put iOS 9 should have been held back till it was ready. I'd used iOS for years and this is the first time apple has highlighted performance improvements and not to see them is an absolute joke. iOS 8 was a sucky release but the features (and the fact that apple didn't mention improvmrnts) made up for that - same deal Wirh iOS 7.

And comparing with 'every other software company' is also a joke. We're talking about Apple who supposedly make the best mobile operating system and who have stupid amounts of money and resources.

 

[C DM]

It's only the benchmark because iOS 9 is even slower than iOS 8 - Delatite the opposite being promised.

It may be stable but the fact that it lags so much on hardware as modern as the mini 2 is a joke. Similar issues have been observed all over YouTube.

Sure the 4S and iPad 2 are getting on, but it's good they're still supported given how expensive they are. Longer support cycles only benefit the user. That being said, apple ahould be able to have them run at least as well as iOS 8 (which is a joke considering how poorly iOS 8 ran).

Simply put iOS 9 should have been held back till it was ready. I'd used iOS for years and this is the first time apple has highlighted performance improvements and not to see them is an absolute joke. iOS 8 was a sucky release but the features (and the fact that apple didn't mention improvmrnts) made up for that - same deal Wirh iOS 7.

And comparing with 'every other software company' is also a joke. We're talking about Apple who supposedly make the best mobile operating system and who have stupid amounts of money and resources.

They got more money and better marketing and try to do better by their customers, but they still got to deliver and live in the same competitive world as everyone else, which means still doing things pretty much as everyone else does. Look at their production lines, they aren't some sort of high moral ground amazing places--they are the same cheap third world labor. Sure they improved things here and there and try to do better, and while that's good and nice, the foundation is still the same old cheap labor that everyone uses. There's what things should be like, and then there's the reality of what they are actually like, despite it being possible for them to be better.

 

[fardeenah]

the 2gb ram! THIS. 64 bit iphones simply cannot run smoothly on a 1GB model mo matter how much optimisation, the OS+APPS in a 1gb package simply won't cut it

 

[dukebound85]

On Twitter, search iOS 9 battery and you'll see nothing but positive comments. Usually when you search that you see a bunch of complaining.

Battery is much worse for me

 

[newellj]

The million dollar question you could probably ask any company that releases software, ever.
I also love how iOS 8 is the benchmark now, last year it was 7.1, the year before it was iOS 6. iOS 9 is propably the most stable and bug free .0 release in years, and yes it's not perfect.

Also let's face facts, the iPad 2 and 4s should have died years ago. 512 ram and an a5 will only do so much in 2015.

It's very hard not to agree. It's an annual litany, or maybe just a dirge. There is a bitter complaint in another thread right now from an iPad 4 owner who is angry that developers aren't supporting 32-bit SoCs and somehow this is Apple's fault...

 

[newellj]

this is the first time apple has highlighted performance improvements and not to see them is an absolute joke.

I don't know if I'd say it's an absolute joke but I agree with the core complaint here. If you explicitly promise something, it ought to be at least broadly true for users. The best performance gains with iOS 9 seem to be marginal, and on some devices it's at least slightly slower. If you promise, you should deliver. If you don't, you should expect to take some flak.

 

[Max(IT)]

Huh. Your claim is interesting. I haven't seen many people say that 9.0 is just as fast as 8.4.1. But I've seen hundreds say the exact opposite.

How many threads have you seen ? 10 ? 100 ? 1000 ?
There are several MILLIONS of happy customers out there ...
This forum doesn't represent the real world, because it's crowded with geeks, haters and people looking for solutions to issues.
iOS 9 for me is flawless and has the same performances of iOS 8.4

 

[Max(IT)]

People have forgotten the iOS 6
You say iOS 9 is smooth but look on videos with iOS 6 and look what is smoothly.
Nothing is perfect but Apple must significantly reduce bugs and lags.

You seem to have forgotten... As per every single iOS release, the forum at the time of iOS 6 launch was stormed by whiners and serial complainers.

It's pointless to open these threads in the forum. Apologists jump will jump in tooth and nail to defend Apple.

As much as haters will jump in tooth and nail to bash Apple....

 

[Max(IT)]

Why doesn't Apple just do an extension of 8.x adding minor features as they go instead of re-writing major parts of the OS and making it unstable or laggy?

It's because they want us to have a reason to upgrade to a FASTER phone. How are they supposed to sell a faster phone if our current phones are lightning fast already?

iOS 9 isn't unstable nor laggy on my iDevices.

The point we are making is that unless there are massive issues with someone's iOS 9 install, it should be faster than iOS 8 or at least rrhe same speed - and it's not.

It's not IN YOUR CASE.

 

[Tamagotchi]

You seem to have forgotten... As per every single iOS release, the forum at the time of iOS 6 launch was stormed by whiners and serial complainers.

As much as haters will jump in tooth and nail to bash Apple....

I'm not a hater, and many people her aren't. If we are here and we own Apple products it means we aren't haters. Some of us are just realistic and objective. If something has not been done properly (such as iOS9) we say it.

 

[oldmacs]

iOS 9 isn't unstable nor laggy on my iDevices.

It's not IN YOUR CASE.

Its definitely slower than iOS 8 on the iPad 2 and iPad Mini 2. If you do a clean install of both 8.4.1 and 9 on both and test, apps open slower in iOS 9. If you want to show me otherwise, then go ahead. Perceptions of how fast something is don't count.

 

[oldmacs]

As much as haters will jump in tooth and nail to bash Apple....

Most people complaining here have better things to do than to make up stories about iOS 9 being slower and posting them on forums. Not to mention that side by side comparisons show iOS 9 to be slower on many devices. Perhaps iOS 9 fixes up some issues in dodgy iOS 8 installs, which would account for improvements.

Even the guardian is reporting it.

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...low-ios-9-update-iphone-4s-iphone-5-iphone-5s

 

[JT2002TJ]

I did a clean install on my wifes 4th Gen Ipad (first with lightnight port). She isn't really a Techy, and keeps saying her iphone 5s is good enough (so you can get a little background). The first thing she said was "it runs much much slower". Now, she is not a fanboy, and basically takes my hand-me-downs, so she is the average user. That is about as typical a response as I have seen by non-apple fanboys. I try to keep up with the newest iphone/ipad, but have decided to go every other year (I have an air that I will replace with the pro, and a 6+ that I will replace with the 7+). So please to not group with the haters group. I just want apple to under promise, and over deliver, instead of the other way around.

I keeps starting out with x.0 versions working beautifully on the latest device, while very laggy on older, then they spend months trying to resolve issues on the older devices. My 6+ which I got on launch day last year should not run any worse on this initial OS, I get it with 5s and before, but last years model, really?

 

[oldmacs]

I did a clean install on my wifes 4th Gen Ipad (first with lightnight port). She isn't really a Techy, and keeps saying her iphone 5s is good enough (so you can get a little background). The first thing she said was "it runs much much slower". Now, she is not a fanboy, and basically takes my hand-me-downs, so she is the average user. That is about as typical a response as I have seen by non-apple fanboys. I try to keep up with the newest iphone/ipad, but have decided to go every other year (I have an air that I will replace with the pro, and a 6+ that I will replace with the 7+). So please to not group with the haters group. I just want apple to under promise, and over deliver, instead of the other way around.

I keeps starting out with x.0 versions working beautifully on the latest device, while very laggy on older, then they spend months trying to resolve issues on the older devices. My 6+ which I got on launch day last year should not run any worse on this initial OS, I get it with 5s and before, but last years model, really?

I've had the same thing with a variety of friends and family who didn't heed my warning of not updating until the bugs have been smoothed out :/ These people are all non techie people.

 

[Looney01]

How many threads have you seen ? 10 ? 100 ? 1000 ?
There are several MILLIONS of happy customers out there ...
This forum doesn't represent the real world, because it's crowded with geeks, haters and people looking for solutions to issues.
iOS 9 for me is flawless and has the same performances of iOS 8.4

Really? Have you compared 2 devices one running iOS 8.4.1 and the other iOS 9 side by side?

Every speed test video I have seen online shows that iOS 9 does not perform as fast and smoothly as iOS 8.4.1.

Show me one video where iOS 9 beats iOS 8.4.1.

Surely the people that are finding iOS 9 faster then 8.4.1 would do a speed test video to prove their case?

 

[Paradoxally]

Maybe stop rushing new features to market before they are properly tested just so you can sell a new $1,000 phone to someone who really does not need it. They are just buying it because of the new features. Well then you better make sure they work or you will do damage to your long term business!

If I wanted a crappy experience and buggy software I would use Android or MS.

Remeber the old Apple Ads? "It just works." Well now they've taken the low road and made paying customers involuntary Beta testers.

Really? And then you'll have a bunch of people complaining how Apple is not innovating and behind the competition, despite the competition being far from flawless (go ahead and look at Android).

If Android users had a system as stable as iOS 9 they would jump for joy.

 

[Jsameds]

They did only say "iOS 9" and didn't specify which increment, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 9.3...

9.3 will likely be up to 8.4.1 speeds. Well it bleeding better be at least as good as 8.4.1 since it will be the final version of iOS that a LOT of devices will see - iPad 2, iPad Mini, iPod Touch 5, iPhone 4S and possibly iPad 3 too.

That's over 100 million devices in total.

 

[oldmacs]

9.3 will likely be up to 8.4.1 speeds. Well it bleeding better be at least as good as 8.4.1 since it will be the final version of iOS that a LOT of devices will see - iPad 2, iPad Mini, iPod Touch 5, iPhone 4S and possibly iPad 3 too.

You'd bloody hope it will be fast enough. Close to 50 percent of iPad users are spread across the iPad 2, 3 and Mini 1 to this day :O

Then again if Apple continues with initiatives with App splicing + building a core version of iOS then only running features that will run, its possible that iOS 10 will run in a very basic way on the A5 devices to continue security support for a large number of users.