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DeanL

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This video plays without trouble on my M1 MacBook Pro's built-in display. CPU usage shoots up to 80%, but the video is smooth.
There is stutter when using my LG UltraFine 4k. If I close the clamshell of my Mac, the stuttering stops.
 

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Considering that the M1 doesn't support 8K output what would be the point ?

I think it may.
It does 4K 144Hz over DP 1.4 with DSC, could be able to do 8K 60Hz.
Now, I don’t think there’s a DP1.4 DSC-enabled single tile 8K monitor currently on the market, so we won’t actually know for a while..
 

CNiles38006

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So, in Chrome these new Macs have 4K and sometimes 8K available on youtube videos.

In a video I heard a guy say that if the machine is detected to be a MBA M1, the 8K option is not offered, whereas if it is a MBP M1 it is offered. Is that true? What about the Mac Mini M1?

Now, even when 8K is offered, can it actually run smoothly? I’ve seen it stutter in a video but it was not clear if it was a buffering problem.

What are the experiences of the owners here with 8K youtube?

(not that it’s a deal breaker, just a curiosity)


This Youtube video gives a very good answer to your question about M1 and Youtube 8K 60fps playback. On Safari he is experiencing skips on 8K 60fps, but in Chrome it is playing 8K 60fps smoothly.
 
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Polly Mercocet

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This video plays without trouble on my M1 MacBook Pro's built-in display. CPU usage shoots up to 80%, but the video is smooth.
There is stutter when using my LG UltraFine 4k. If I close the clamshell of my Mac, the stuttering stops.

The highest quality setting I'm offered for this video on my M1 MBA is 4K HDR. No 8K option showing. Using Chrome ARM.

Pretty cool it supports 4K HDR though honestly. I have a 4K monitor and a USB-C to HDMI cable, I should try it out and see how well it works.

When I'm using a laptop with a resolution like the one on this MBA I tend to watch YouTube content in 1440p. 4K is overkill if I'm just using the laptop screen and while 1440p is still below the actual resolution of the display I still notice a significant difference in quality over 1080p.
 
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Thanks guys, in the last few posts we gathered all the answers

Mac Mini M1 and MBP M1
- Safari: 8K available but stuttering, 4K perfect
- Chrome: 8K perfect

Macbook Air M1
- Safari: 4K perfect (8K not even available)
- Chrome: 4K perfect (8K not even available)


That scratched my itch.
That said, no one‘s buying decision should be influenced one bit by all of this.
It’s more of a “fun fact“ to know.
 

Acidsplat

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Thanks guys, in the last few posts we gathered all the answers

Mac Mini M1 and MBP M1
- Safari: 8K available but stuttering, 4K perfect
- Chrome: 8K perfect

Macbook Air M1
- Safari: 4K perfect (8K not even available)
- Chrome: 4K perfect (8K not even available)


That scratched my itch.
That said, no one‘s buying decision should be influenced one bit by all of this.
It’s more of a “fun fact“ to know.
Is there a bug that's not allowing 8K to be available on some M1 MacBook Air? I can select it as an option for mine.
8-core GPU with 16GB RAM.

Both Safari and Chrome for AS and no dropped frames for me.
 

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Is there a bug that's not allowing 8K to be available on some M1 MacBook Air? I can select it as an option for mine.
8-core GPU with 16GB RAM.

Both Safari and Chrome for AS and no dropped frames for me.
Interesting.

Maybe 7-core vs 8-core GPU?


@Polly Mercocet what specs is your MBA? Are you using ARM Chrome?
 

RenegadfeMonste

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Same things we said in 1999 about 2K...

8K will happen when hardware becomes cheap enough.

I expect 8K streaming to become mainstream as early as 2026.

8K Blu-ray discs could happen as early as 2026. This is assuming that 4k Blu-ray discs and players sell well enough.

My only concern is 8K streaming my not be feasible to millions of people due to Cable Company data caps.

Next year Comcast is rolling out their data caps and overages in the last remaining 12 states where they did not have it already.

I'm a cord cutter, and only do Hulu Live and streaming platforms, many of which have 4K content. I live alone and only have 1 TV and can easily exceed Comcast's Data Cap each month. Which means I can expect overage charges starting in January. Streaming has become more expensive than just having Comcast's service. And I don't have any alternative options. Comcast is the monopoly and only broadband internet service provider where I live.

Comcast's solution? You can get a streaming tv plan through us that includes a cloud DVR. Best of all, our services don't count against your data cap! Want Unlimited Data? It's available only in bundles with our streaming plan or TV.

Very anti competition indeed and really limits innovation. I may have to set my 4K Apple TV to HD resolution to avoid getting up to $100 a month in overages from streaming 4K content.
 
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My only concern is 8K streaming my not be feasible to millions of people due to Cable Company data caps.

Next year Comcast is rolling out their data caps and overages in the last remaining 12 states where they did not have it already.

I'm a cord cutter, and only do Hulu Live and streaming platforms, many of which have 4K content. I live alone and only have 1 TV and can easily exceed Comcast's Data Cap each month. Which means I can expect overage charges starting in January. Streaming has become more expensive than just having Comcast's service. And I don't have any alternative options. Comcast is the monopoly and only broadband internet service provider where I live.

Comcast's solution? You can get a streaming tv plan through us that includes a cloud DVR. Best of all, our services don't count against your data cap! Want Unlimited Data? It's available only in bundles with our streaming plan or TV.

Very anti competition indeed and really limits innovation. I may have to set my 4K Apple TV to HD resolution to avoid getting up to $100 a month in overages from streaming 4K content.
Dude, it's 6 years from now. A lot of things can happen.

I was using 3Mbps copper when I started using 100Mbps fiber as an upgrade.
 
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More than pixel count, maybe the codec makes a huge difference?

Out of curiosity, since it seems that a lot of 8K streaming will use AV-1, what about AV-1 decoding with the M1 chip?
Not happening anytime soon. And 4K is still being done on VP9. AV1 hardware decoding is still expensive. ( I am guessing Apple is waiting for VVC )

One could argue 4K is needed give how we moved from 40" TV being the most popular size to now being the entry level, but you will need 70"+ before 4K start to make any sense. And it would be better if they delver high quality 4K then low quality 8K.

Unless we manage to break the 70" barrier and somehow everyone could afford a large TV. Not saying it wont, but seems unlikely, but I would not be suspired if Netflix someday offer it as an expensive option. Not to mention lots of people here are watching it on their computer and Tablet. Why the hell do you want 8K?

What I would really like to see though is that we get rid of 720P and Standardise on 2K / 1080P as baseline.
 
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Acidsplat

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Here is a screenshot of the 8K option and 0 dropped frames in Safari on my M1 MBA

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Acidsplat

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Is it the same as well for any Youtube 8K 60fps video playback for you. 8K 30fps videos are usually playable but its the 8K 60fps videos where things get tougher on the system with dropped frames, skipping, stuttering, slowdown, etc.
It does indeed drop frames at 60fps in Chrome, Safari is even worse where there’s a lot of black screens when video should be playing.
 
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Anonymous Freak

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8K60 stutters occasionally on my M1 mini, but 8K30 plays back fine. (On a 4K display.)

That said, as others have pointed out - unless you have a 32"-or-lager computer display less than 3 feet from your face, or a 100"-or-larger television less than 10 feet from your face, even "better than 20/20" vision won't gain full benefit from 8K. If you're in the business of video production, wait for the actual-Pro "M2" (or M1X, or whatever they call it) Macs.

If you're wondering for home use, they'll be fine for any reasonable use. YouTube doesn't provide enough bandwidth to make 8K that useful, anyway. More compression makes it likely less detail than a UHD Blu-ray disk's 4K-at-higher-bitrate.
 

Polly Mercocet

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Wasn't trying to offend you and sorry if I did. I just don't understand why you are on a technology forum and are advocating against advancements in technology lol. You clearly don't have an eye for picture quality and that's fine but that doesn't mean there aren't noticeable improvements. There's people who buy $50 sound bars and think they have a high end sound system, that doesn't mean expensive sound bars have no benefit or shouldn't be made. Same case with you and your 1080p tv. More power to ya, save your money and enjoy it, but there is a huge jump from 1080P to 4k (and even 1080p to 1440p). And there is a big difference between 4k and 8k, even on 4k tv's or 1600p laptop screens, the difference is there. Distant objects, for example, are one of the big improvements. 8k is like looking at a picture taken with a high megapixel camera, except it's video.

I think the argument however is that while, yes, 4K is a huge improvement over 1080p, and I agree with you even 1440p is very noticeable over 1080p, the issue with 8K is that it only makes sense in limited use cases.

If you have a huge TV (I am talking >100 inches here) then you will notice the difference between 4K and 8K due to more pixels per inch.

If you sit right up close to the screen (i.e. you're using a monitor) then you will notice the difference more clearly even on smaller displays, but in those cases you're probably going to have to scale up the UI to be able to read text anyway.

For the most part, I have to say I agree with @skaertus. If you compare 4K and 8K on a standard sized 40-50 inch TV and sit on the sofa to watch it, the difference is just not going to be perceptible to most people unless perhaps they are side by side and you are really looking for the details. Even then, I wonder how many people would be able to tell which one is 8K without being told, unless they put their faces right up to the screen.

I don't think anyone is arguing against technological improvements, only how much real world utility they will actually have. We do seem to be moving towards TV's getting bigger and bigger (I remember back when 32 inches was considered a big TV!) so maybe we will all have giant 8K TV's and we will notice the resolution difference.

However screens cannot just keep getting infinitely bigger and bigger. If we stick to 40-50 inches I can't imagine 8K being a huge jump like 480p to 720p to 1080p to 4K.

Fwiw I have looked at 8K TV's in the shops, they look super impressive when they are huge 80-100 inch screens and you stand right up close, make no mistake. I just question if it will make any actual real life difference if you were take a 50 inch 8K TV home and put it on the wall compared to 4K.

I think the real innovations will come not from constant increases in resolution, where we are now reaching diminishing returns, but instead from improved display technology like HDR that will make the image brighter and clearer. For example my new M1 MBA has the exact same resolution as my 2015 rMBP but the first thing I noticed when I opened it up was how great the screen looked because it has HDR, a superior range of colours, more brightness, and probably a lot of other fancy improvements that have taken place over those five years.

The end result is a display that looks visibly better despite being an identical size and resolution. Further improvements in those areas are what will drive better displays in the future rather than throwing more pixels at everything imo.
 

Anonymous Freak

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I'm not advocating not *RECORDING* in 8K when available. From a video production point of view, having far more pixels than you need for your final cut just opens up many more options. It allows for cropping/zooming-in, removing camera motion, and a lot of other important aspects.

Just that *VIEWING* 8K content, especially when viewing it on a less-than-8K-display, is pointless.

And I'm all for latest-and-greatest. I've upgraded my iPhone *SOLELY* because the camera was better on the newer.

Besides, 1080-to-4K carried with it not just the resolution, but also (usually) HDR, which has more of a visual impact than resolution to most people, especially with video content.
 
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Frank Philips

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Unless we manage to break the 70" barrier and somehow everyone could afford a large TV. Not saying it wont, but seems unlikely, but I would not be suspired if Netflix someday offer it as an expensive option. Not to mention lots of people here are watching it on their computer and Tablet. Why the hell do you want 8K?

Personally I don't want nor care about 8K. I know it's going to be the next standard for high-end cameras though -- but these are for pros living in a different world than mine.

Wait and see if it somehow catches up with the smartphone market. So far, Samsung's 8K capable smartphone doesn't see to deliver that great of a footage, but I must admit not really following what's going on.

As for super huge screen TV... what would be the recommended viewing distance for such a beast?
 
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