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Gudi

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Those days are gone.
M2 Ultra has 134,000,000,000 transistors, which puts it very nicely on this logarithmic scale straightening exponential growth to a nice perfect line. You need to stop looking only at CPU benchmarks, the additional transistors are nowadays used for all kinds of computation.

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Basic75

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2) Only a quarter of the energy consumption and the damn thing is getting heavier and heavier.

16" MacBook Pro (2019): 2.0kg (Intel i7)
16" MacBook Pro (2021): 2.1kg (M1 Pro)
16" MacBook Pro (2023): 2.15kg (M2 Pro)
The first Aluminium 15" PowerBook G4: 2.5Kg.
 

MrGunny94

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This isn’t really gatekeeping, gatekeeping would be if the hardware existed in the silicon but was artificially locked out.

This is just the way they chose to build the chips. The display outputs just do no exist on the silicon which is why you cannot run 2 external displays on M1/2, I suspect this is both a legacy of the iPad heritage of the M1/2 and also because most people who bought the Mac mini, MacBook Air, and iMac never plugged in more than 1 display…
I do hope they change it with the M3, I understand the hardware reason on it but it just sucks in general. I'd opt for a 13/15 Air if it had dual display.
 

bcortens

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Did you sleep on it? I wouldn’t recommend to put your whole body weight on any kind of tech.
No i didn’t, the iPad Pro is very thin and the magnetic charging point for the Apple Pencil leaves a weakness in the structure. Some of apples thinnest products can bend over time, they’ve made fixes structurally to some but others still have small issues. I wouldn’t want my iPad thicker but I’m just saying there are going to be trade offs if you go super thin.
 

Gudi

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No i didn’t, the iPad Pro is very thin and the magnetic charging point for the Apple Pencil leaves a weakness in the structure. Some of apples thinnest products can bend over time, they’ve made fixes structurally to some but others still have small issues. I wouldn’t want my iPad thicker but I’m just saying there are going to be trade offs if you go super thin.
Sure, aluminium is a soft metal, it is bendable. But does the iPad bend from normal use? I don't think so. My M1 iPad Air didn't bend all by itself. Making the device a little thicker than it needs to be probably saves Apple a lot of repair costs, but making it as light as possible mainly benefits the user experience. When you look at the new iMac design, it's sad that the MacBooks didn't benefit at all from the new processors. They even look bulkier than before, like an 80s Mercedes.
 

bcortens

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Sure, aluminium is a soft metal, it is bendable. But does the iPad bend from normal use? I don't think so. My M1 iPad Air didn't bend all by itself. Making the device a little thicker than it needs to be probably saves Apple a lot of repair costs, but making it as light as possible mainly benefits the user experience. When you look at the new iMac design, it's sad that the MacBooks didn't benefit at all from the new processors. They even look bulkier than before, like an 80s Mercedes.
I’m not sure how it ended up bent, I carried it around in a case inside of a backpack for a time and its possible that the pressure from the books in the backpack caused it to bend but that isn’t that abnormal a use case.

I agree that the newer chassis on the MBP looks outdated. The new MacBook design reminds me of the early 2000’s PowerBook chassis, and while it is only slightly thicker, it looks a lot thicker and generally doesn’t look quite as nice as the 2016-2019 era MacBook chassis.
 
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leman

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I’m not sure how it ended up bent, I carried it around in a case inside of a backpack for a time and its possible that the pressure from the books in the backpack caused it to bend but that isn’t that abnormal a use case.

Exactly the same thing happened ed to my GFs iPad. Backpack with heavy books and asymmetric weight distribution. That’s also how people savage their laptop screens btw.

I agree that the newer chassis on the MBP looks outdated. The new MacBook design reminds me of the early 2000’s PowerBook chassis, and while it is only slightly thicker, it looks a lot thicker and generally doesn’t look quite as nice as the 2016-2019 era MacBook chassis.

I believe this is very much on purpose. The design language of the newer models heavily borrows from the „golden age of the Mac“, obviously with some modern elements. My guess is that it’s a deliberate business strategy aimed at countering „Apple sacrifices form for function“ type of sentiment. And it appears to work very well. Users love how „the bigger chassis allows better performance“, even though the devices themselves use only a fraction of power compared to previous models. The M-Series MBP could be considerably thinner without compromising performance in any way, but then people would likely complain that they could have been faster. User psychology is s terrifying thing. It’s a shame that making products just based on technological merit is not a good business strategy.
 
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anselpela

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What yearly? M1 came out in 2020. We're still using M2 halfway through 2023. That's not what yearly means.
 

bcortens

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What yearly? M1 came out in 2020. We're still using M2 halfway through 2023. That's not what yearly means.
Yeah so far its closer to two years than one year at this point, if you look at release date (when you could buy it) rather than announced date we have:
M1 (17 November 2020) -> M2 (15 July 2022) = 20 months
 
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