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Arm is suing Qualcomm and Nuvia because they claim that Qualcomm refused to renegotiate Nuvia’s Architecture License after they purchased Nuvia for $1.4 Billion.

Qualcomm says its existing license(s) is sufficient to use the designs from Nuvia who apparently received a lot of custom help from Arm. Help that Arm would have charged Qualcomm additional fees or not provided at all.

It’s not clear how this affects Qualcomm’s timeline for releasing Nuvia designed SoCs. Arm wants Qualcomm to start over.

Arm Files Lawsuit Against Qualcomm and Nuvia for Breach of License Agreements and Trademark Infringement

A link to the actual complaint filed in Delaware: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22273239/arm-vs-qualcomm-complaint.pdf
 

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From the complaint I understood that before granting any license ARM does an evaluation of prospects for X company use of their IP. For example for product and company prospection on market and strategic position on ARM portfolio.

Nuvia was founded to design server's chips and ARM level of collaboration and royalties agreement allegedly took this on notice. Now Qualcomm acquired Nuvia design's and pointed it to a qualitatively different and broader consumer market which, I'll assume, Nuvia's initial agreement would let ARM to significant loss of money and or loss of some strategic position. From wording on the complain, ARM took care to allow Nuvia's license to be nullified if the company was acquired by another one.

My biggest surprise is the deal-by-deal nature of ARM licensee agreements. Thinking back Nvidia would have loved that.
 

Xiao_Xi

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Good for Apple, x64 and RISC-V.

The two companies are likely to reach an agreement because they both benefit from the development of ARM's desktop SoCs.
 

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So Nuvia does many innovations and now ARM says that Nuvia own products should be thrown into the trash can. What a joke.

Now you got patents to kill other patents, what a system.

Funny thing is, ARM is only harming themselves as Windows will be less likely to embrace ARM without companies like Qualcomm.

What makes it even more funny, Qualcomm is a partner of ARM, so what is ARM doing?
 

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So Nuvia does many innovations and now ARM says that Nuvia own products should be thrown into the trash can. What a joke.

Now you got patents to kill other patents, what a system.

Funny thing is, ARM is only harming themselves as Windows will be less likely to embrace ARM without companies like Qualcomm.

What makes it even more funny, Qualcomm is a partner of ARM, so what is ARM doing?
This is about license agreements, not patents. It is a contract dispute. Very normal business litigation.
 

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So Nuvia does many innovations and now ARM says that Nuvia own products should be thrown into the trash can. What a joke.

Now you got patents to kill other patents, what a system.

Funny thing is, ARM is only harming themselves as Windows will be less likely to embrace ARM without companies like Qualcomm.

What makes it even more funny, Qualcomm is a partner of ARM, so what is ARM doing?
In fact a lawsuit like this is very rare because such negotiations usually happens behind the stage. What Arm claims that Qualcomm does wrong is that they should not use another Arm licensee's IP without the confirmation from Arm, in other words, the license obtained from Arm cannot be transferred to another entity without Arm's consent. This makes a lot of sense, because it avoids the case that some entity does not directly obtained a license from Arm at all to use Arm's IP by getting the license/IP from a 3rd-party. But one important thing is that, Qualcomm also has an ALA with Arm directly just like Nuvia does, so Qualcomm could claim that their ALA covers the usage of Nuvia IP. We don't know what the ALA exactly says, so we don't know if that is the case or not.

I think they will likely to reach an agreement and ends by Qualcomm paying an IP transfer fee to Arm.
 

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Arm seems to be going for the jugular. They are basically accusing Qualcomm of stealing their IP and want Quslcomm and Nuvia to destroy all designs for their laptop chips.
 

KPOM

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So Nuvia does many innovations and now ARM says that Nuvia own products should be thrown into the trash can. What a joke.

Now you got patents to kill other patents, what a system.

Funny thing is, ARM is only harming themselves as Windows will be less likely to embrace ARM without companies like Qualcomm.

What makes it even more funny, Qualcomm is a partner of ARM, so what is ARM doing?
What Arm is alleging is that Nuvia was developing server CPUs while selling itself to Qualcomm, which had tried and failed to develop custom Arm chips for notebooks and smartphones. The $1 billion Qualcomm paid to Nuvia could well have been paid to Arm instead.
 
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As a part of this story, I’ve seen it confirmed that Apple has an ALA license.

“According to the lawsuit, both Nuvia and Qualcomm held an "Architecture License Agreement (ALA)," the highest (and reportedly most expensive) tier of Arm licensing. … A handful of really big Arm customers have an ALA license, though, which, rather than use an Arm design, lets you design your own Arm chip from scratch. This is the license Apple uses to make all its custom Arm-based SoCs.”
 
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Funny thing is, ARM is only harming themselves as Windows will be less likely to embrace ARM without companies like Qualcomm.

What makes it even more funny, Qualcomm is a partner of ARM, so what is ARM doing?
I don’t think they’re saying “STOP QUALCOMM!” It’s more confirming what should go into any future chips they’re designing. Resetting the deal would mean that, in the event of a big Windows on ARM future, ARM would have a larger financial share of that. And, as Windows on ARM is not going to happen without ARM, they’re willing to slow down what’s being produced to ensure they get what they consider is a fairer shake.
 

leman

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So Nuvia does many innovations and now ARM says that Nuvia own products should be thrown into the trash can. What a joke.

Now you got patents to kill other patents, what a system.

Funny thing is, ARM is only harming themselves as Windows will be less likely to embrace ARM without companies like Qualcomm.

What makes it even more funny, Qualcomm is a partner of ARM, so what is ARM doing?

It’s a typical license litigation lawsuit. There is no need to bring emotional component into this.
 

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It’s interesting that ARM might prefer Windows computers to be built directly on ARM designs, as Qualcomm has done in their deal with Microsoft so far, while Nuvia was originally aimed at the server market, which is arguably underserved in ARMs product lineup. You have the likes of Amazon using ARM designs for cloud infrastructure, and people like Marvell producing the ThunderX3 chip based on ARM ISA’s. Nuvia would have fitted in there somewhere.

Qualcomm’s desktop ambitions are a different kettle of fish, a different market with more growth potential. If the Nuvia designs could have focussed on performance per Watt and equalled or surpassed Apple’s M1 chips as they claimed, here, that could have put substantial pressure on AMD and Intel. A Windows laptop with greater performance, excellent battery life and possibly a cellular modem could be very interesting to consumers.

In the end I think this is about ARM renegotiating the license for a bigger slice of the royalty pie. It would be unlikely that some kind of a deal couldn’t be reached, its in the interest of both companies to grow the market for their offerings. Of course, its not cool of Qualcomm to not get ARMs ok on the takeover.
 
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leman

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It’s interesting that ARM would prefer Windows desktops to be built directly on ARM designs, while Nuvia was originally aimed at the server market, which is arguably underserved in ARMs product lineup. You have the likes of Amazon using ARM designs for cloud infrastructure, and people like Marvell producing the ThunderX3 chip based on ARM ISA’s. Nuvia would have fitted in there somewhere.

I would say that ARM currently has much stronger presence in the server market than they do on the desktop (Apple excluded). ARM compute instances are if feted by both Amazon and Google, and there are multiple products in development. ARM also has a strong offering of server-oriented core IP.
 
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I would say that ARM currently has much stronger presence in the server market than they do on the desktop (Apple excluded). ARM compute instances are if feted by both Amazon and Google, and there are multiple products in development. ARM also has a strong offering of server-oriented core IP.

Thats certainly true, but aside from the big cloud providers ARM chips don’t have that much presence in the general server market. I’ve not come across an ARM server ever in a smaller firm for instance.

ARM have been trying to make inroads in the server market for a while but news like this about Marvell exiting the general server market doesn’t really help their efforts. I can understand ARM helping Nuvia to “go big” and try to create a much more powerful, but still efficient SoC for servers in an attempt to get the market to sit up and pay notice.

But yes, Apple would be the big beneficiary if Qualcomm were forced to delay Nuvia-style designs by a year or two, I imagine.
 

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Which strategy would Nuvia/Qualcomm use: design for servers first and scale for desktops later like Intel/AMD or design for phones first and scale for desktops later like Apple?
 

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Which strategy would Nuvia/Qualcomm use: design for servers first and scale for desktops later like Intel/AMD or design for phones first and scale for desktops later like Apple?


If Qualcomm had bought Nuvia and primarily just continued on the server focused tract that Nuvia set out on ... then ARM would not be suing them.

Is there really a question? The fact that Qualcomm took a "hard left turn" off the Nuvia server architectural license path is driving the bulk of this law suit.

I suspect that as the talks at the end of last year and this Spring started spiraling down the drain Qualcomm started some chatter about using the Nuvia cores in a server context. Qualcomm is looking for a fig leaf to hide behind as a plan B. But if that had been Qualcomm's position from the start there would not have been a large 'dust up' with ARM.

Also as I stated in another thread it is pretty unlikely that Qualcomm was going to walk away from all of the ARM cores for their phone SoCs. Qualcomm has 3-4x as many phone SoCs as Apple has. There is an 8 series , 7 series , 6 series , 4 series. The stuff at the lower end is highly price sensitive and Nuvia cores aren't likely to be a big value add. A major contributor to what makes the "Apple style cores" work better is using up more die area (i.e., being a higher priced chip. ) . Qualcomm builds several SoCs for dozens of designs. They are trying to do most SoCs for most phones. Apple is trying to hit one phone a year.

The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 is not a phone SoC. Pretty good chance that Nuvia core would be used in a 8cx gen 4 ( or gen 5 if there was an X2/710 cores on TSMC N5/N4 gen 4 version already well done the design pipeline when they picked up Nuvia. )




Part of the core problem here is that ARM architecture licenses are not specifically targeting PCs. They are shooting for much higher margin and much lower volume server cores and much higher volume and relatively much lower margin phone cores. At best, ARM is trying to cover the 'middle' with moving the Phone cores up ( larger cluster of Cortex-X cores ) then thinking going to take the server stuff to much lower core counts at higher volume.
What Qualcomm is attempting to do is completely change that game and come at it from the opposite direction.
that has a substantive different hit on ARM's long term earnings so they may/may not have granted permission to follow that approach.

( another issue is that Softbank is still trying to value ARM at $4B of the old Nvidia deal which is a little nutty. But it gets you into this who context where ARM is hypersensitive about long term earnings disruptions. )
 
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It’s interesting that ARM might prefer Windows computers to be built directly on ARM designs, as Qualcomm has done in their deal with Microsoft so far, while Nuvia was originally aimed at the server market, which is arguably underserved in ARMs product lineup. You have the likes of Amazon using ARM designs for cloud infrastructure, and people like Marvell producing the ThunderX3 chip based on ARM ISA’s. Nuvia would have fitted in there somewhere.

How was server underserved in ARM's line up? Amazon and Ampere were both licensing Neoverse designs when Nuvia started up.

Arm announces Neoverse in 2018


Amazon Graviton 2 announced in December 2019 ( that is well beyond stage where just started to look at license.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapurna_Labs

Amazon Graviton 1 was already providing early momentum at AWS.

Ampere Computing announced Neoverse Altra in March 2020 ( again well beyond where they got a license and got started ).

Similar had the admittedly slow starting AppliedMicro ARM server design to lay initial foundation on.

ThunderX was iterating at a slow pace

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/cavium/thunderx2

All three of those vendors had shipped a working product before. Nuvia had shipped nothing.

Nuvia was a decent 'Plan C" or "Plan D" for Arm to bet on in the sever space. The likelihood that Amazon was not going to deploy 1,000's of ARM severs was pretty close to zero. All they were doing is eating their own dogfood. There was going to be zero "go to market" problems with system vendor partners.



Qualcomm’s desktop ambitions are a different kettle of fish, a different market with more growth potential.

Qualcomm has about zero desktop ambitions. Desktops do not sell cellular radios. If there is no cellular radio then Qualcomm is not super excited about it. Windows Laptops? Yes. Windows Desktops? No.

At one point Qualcomm was aiming at server market. Celluar basestations have servers in them. So yeah that still have some synergies with radios. Qualcomm was not looking to being the best DB2 server processor in the world. Perhaps some Internal edge servers business. The lower synergies with their core business is exactly why it was so easy for them to cut there server efforts loose and set those folks adrit when they got some pressure about future earnings and profits.


If the Nuvia designs could have focussed on performance per Watt and equalled or surpassed Apple’s M1 chips as they claimed, here, that could have put substantial pressure on AMD and Intel. A Windows laptop with greater performance, excellent battery life and possibly a cellular modem could be very interesting to consumers.

The 8cx gen 3 already puts lots of pressure on Intel/AMD offerings in terms of battery life. The celluar modem is a dual edge sword. It leads to a higher bill of materials for the overall system. It is only where Qualcomm wrangles AMD/Intel systems into adding a discrete modem to the overall system price that their higher priced SoC can eek out some $/perfomance wins.

Qualcomm is chasing Apple with the Nuvia purchase. But the major problem has been Qualcomm putting in any effort beyond just trying to sell their top end phone processor as a PC processor. The 8cx gen 3 finally dumps the 5x-500 series as the "e" cores which are less than appropriate for Windows or a desktop OS.

In the end I think this is about ARM renegotiating the license for a bigger slice of the royalty pie. It would be unlikely that some kind of a deal couldn’t be reached, its in the interest of both companies to grow the market for their offerings. Of course, its not cool of Qualcomm to not get ARMs ok on the takeover.

Selling too many Architectural licenses won't work for ARM long term whether they are phone or server restricted. Especially if trying to support some highly inflated stock price value.
 

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In fact a lawsuit like this is very rare because such negotiations usually happens behind the stage. What Arm claims that Qualcomm does wrong is that they should not use another Arm licensee's IP without the confirmation from Arm, in other words, the license obtained from Arm cannot be transferred to another entity without Arm's consent. This makes a lot of sense, because it avoids the case that some entity does not directly obtained a license from Arm at all to use Arm's IP by getting the license/IP from a 3rd-party.

I suspect it is not the licenses themselves that deeply bother ARM as much as how much ARM charged for the Architectural license. If they were trying to cut a start up a large break they might license something at 50-60% of the cost to a large player who was far more stable (had lots of cash in the bank) and could pay full price. A too expensive Architectural license could 'kill' a start up that was pragmatically strapped for cash. If there is a 50/50 chance that the company is going to implode before they ever shipped a product in substantive numbers, then stressing them even further just raises the odds that they'll fail faster ( 70/30 that they'll fail).

If the company survives the first round if architecture license buy, then Arm will raise the prices when it won't distress the company quite as much on the next round. ( If Nuvia had only sold 30,000 of their first gen SoCs then can't get blood from a turnip. It is only a big payday if they survive to generation 2 or 3. )

What ARM likely does not want is super-duper deep pocketed companies buying up extremely discounted architecture licenses are bankrupt company fire sales. There is a pretty good chance that while Qualcomm held an older server architectural license they didn't have a new one. And that ARM was in no way going to sell Qualcomm the deep discount license to help them with corporate startup overhead and growing pains. They had a $1B of 'extra cash' to buy Nuvia, so far from broke.

Architectural licensees are a dual edge sword. It is lots of up front money and less long term money. If Arm doesn't carefully balance how ( to whom and for how much) they hand this out that will kill off the company . Or at least, any high range valuation of the company.


There is less of a danger for the Tech license agreements. If the buyer gets that and sells lots more, then Arm gets paid substantially more as the units are shipped. Getting approval for that is probably pretty easy to work out, but again any adjustment Arm made to not kill a start-up short on cash shouldn't be in play if the new "owner" has deep pockets.


But one important thing is that, Qualcomm also has an ALA with Arm directly just like Nuvia does, so Qualcomm could claim that their ALA covers the usage of Nuvia IP. We don't know what the ALA exactly says, so we don't know if that is the case or not.

That isn't important if they are not the same Architectural license. There seems to be some mythos that once you have a ALA that you can implement anything that Arm every produces for all time. That is highly likely not true. When Neoverse N2/V2 come along then need an update to the ALA. When ARMv9 comes along then need an update if only holding a v7 license.

Otherwise how would ARM fund long term R&D on the instruction set if give away the whole farm forever on everything new.

In their previous custom server efforts, Qualcomm never worked on a Neoverse era server architecture. They had not custom efforts going on in 2018. So it is a bit dubious that they ran out and paid ARM a very large check for Neoverse if they were not going to work on Neoverse at all. If Nuvia and Qualcoom had effectively "double paid at full price" for Neoverse I doubt ARM would be suing them right now. Qualcomm might have paid "I'm not going to do anything with this so here is some tip money to keep the server thing going that I might use in the future" and Nuvia probably played the "we're a broke startup who isn't going to sell 100's of thousands of chips so cut us a break" card.

Nuvia was also in such a rush to market I doubt that what they were doing was fully "from scratch". Pretty good chance they were going to take a large chunk of the uncore part of Neoverse and just reuse it. Which probably made them more attractive to get bought out also if could just for instance just couple their cores to the Arm standard core interconnect subsystem. Someone could buy them and plug just "fresh cores" into the existing infrastructure if it was based on slight/narrow mods to the Arm interconnect. The eventual Nuvia SoC was not going to consist solely of just Nuvia cores. It was a relatively small start up that was only going to be able to cover just so much ground. Lots of subsystems that they considered non-high-value-add were likely going to get bought off-the-shelf because it was both way more affordable to do and would take far less time and resources. (Apple did the same thing. They didn't try to do the whole SoC all at once. And they had deep pockets. Nuvia didn't. )


I think they will likely to reach an agreement and ends by Qualcomm paying an IP transfer fee to Arm.

Qualcomm had every opportunity to do that all during 2021 and did not.

March 2021 completed acquisition.
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2021/03/qualcomm-completes-acquisition-nuvia

End of 2021 still wrangling with ARM over the issue. At over six months of negotiating ARM was done. ( the Nvidia acquisition of ARM was probably a limited distraction there. But by the end of 2021 it was widely obvious that deal was a giant turd in punchbowl that wasn't going anywhere. )

I suspect Qualcomm is just going to have to buy another Architectural license that is targeted to covering a marking of 5-15 Million units per year rather than some two or three order of magnitude smaller number. Qualcomm probably does not want to write quite as large a check until they know better how well it will work. They paid over a $1B for a company with no working product; not even a prototype of a working product. That is kind of nutty. It would be even more nutty to write another large number of digits check and find out that it still doesn't work. Qualcomm has money, but they can't just throw money away. Apple isn't going to keep stumbling on their cellular modem forever. And Samsung might figure out how to make their 3nm fab process work.

Sinking $20M in lawyers fees might be worth it to provide air cover during the delay. "we can't ship anything because ARM is getting in our way . blah blah blah" is a working 'dog ate my homework' story when this doesn't ship anywhere near the timelines Qualcomm was talking about at the end of 2021.


if it only works way better as a server SoC then Qualcomm my shift the whole thing that direction. Then claim ARM said the Nuvia license was just for servers and that's what we are doing. And pay a much smaller fee ( ARMs legal fees for the dust up.)


P.S. Qualcomm is also likely to stoke a fire under Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia , Intel , etc. about how ARM can blow up any acquisition deal if they want to when ARM IP is in the loop. It might be worth it to Qualcomm to pay to test the limits of Arms contract. ( similar to way folks are testing Apple's app store rules in courts. Often losing but getting some concessions pragmatically out of Apple indirectly. ). That also will put tons of "pepper spray" on anyone else trying to do what Nvidia was trying to do and buy ARM. Even if ARM won It will make the more "unpurchasable" because is it such an anticompetitive threat for a ALA holder to own the right of refusal over everyone else they compete with.
 
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Qualcomm has responded to the lawsuit.
Wow, just like I predicted, Qualcomm claimed that they do have the license to use the Nuvia IPs under their ALA, and the IP transfer fee Arm demanded was "tens of millions" dollars. This is a substantial fee that Qualcomm does not want to pay after a $1B purchase.

One thing to note is that Qualcomm did admit, though indirectly, that there was indeed something in Nuvia's ALA that was not covered by Qualcomm's ALA, because Qualcomm said the following:

Qualcomm also notified ARM that, to the extent NUVIA was utilizing any ARM Technology not currently covered under Qualcomm’s then-current ALA and TLA, Qualcomm would work with the ARM team to complete any necessary license annexes to cover such items.

But what Arm demanded seems too much for Qualcomm and the negotiation just broken up, then we saw this lawsuit.
 
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The Qualcomm-ARM trial has taken a new turn and looks set to help accelerate the development of RISC-V-based SoCs.

Goodness. That would cause some upset in the semi world, quite a few device makers are not set up to license and manufacture their own chips. I imagine semiconductor firms will start to do consulting instead to provide the right skills.
 

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This new information is very damning for ARM (or better said, SoftBank), but let’s wait a little bit until it can be clarified. Don’t forget that the only source of these claims is Qualcomm’s legal response which is obviously crafted to paint ARM in a particularly negative picture.
 
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Wow, just like I predicted, Qualcomm claimed that they do have the license to use the Nuvia IPs under their ALA, and the IP transfer fee Arm demanded was "tens of millions" dollars. This is a substantial fee that Qualcomm does not want to pay after a $1B purchase.

Or that some folks at Qualcomm screwed up. If they had paid $950M for Nuvia then handing over $50M to Arm would not have cost anything more ( 950+50 = 1,000M So is 925+75 . )

Qualcomm paid the lawyers and the investment bankers "tens of millions" also to close the deal. Now they go 'cheap' ? $10-30M ('tens of millions) is just around 1%-3% of the deal cost. Qualcomm themselves in the complaint says that they sank another $100-200M into development costs in the year they were bickering over licensing adjustments. So another $10-40M is going to implode the value proposition? Spent 10x that much because Nuvia really didn't have a working product when threw $1B at them.

Yes ARM needs/wants more money. But it also the case that Qualcomm also overpaid (and now someone is gone Scrooge McDuck trying to lower the profile of just how much they overpaid. ).


One thing to note is that Qualcomm did admit, though indirectly, that there was indeed something in Nuvia's ALA that was not covered by Qualcomm's ALA, because Qualcomm said the following:

Which only points to how paying a full $1B for Nuvia was a dubious move. There were essentially critical pieces to the "solution" there that were not even Nuvia property and yet paid a price premium for what they (Nuvia) didn't own. This should have been a point realized before the Nuvia deal close for pay a lower acquisition price point.



But what Arm demanded seems too much for Qualcomm and the negotiation just broken up, then we saw this lawsuit.

I suspect this got complicated by the Nvidia deal. Qualcomm tries to spin this as solely as "revenge" , but Arm probably didn't want to use this 'hammer' earlier because it would disrupt the Nvidia deal trying to go through. So they didn't cut them off earlier. ( cooperating with Qualcomm on development to help pacify their complaints. A factor Qualcomm probably also knew would come into play. They could 'stretch' the license because Arm 'couldn't complain' as loudly. Qualcomm acting like they are generally a bunch of 'Boy & Girl Scouts' here on licensing is a bit much.). It is hard to tell just how quickly they would have dropped the hammer if didn't have to tip-toe around license enforcement actions.
 

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Qualcomm has responded to the lawsuit.


This part of the write up is dubious.

" ... Part of that deal included a sweetheart low-margin 20-year license that persists despite the failure of that acquisition. .... "


Pragmatically, Nvidia didn't get some sweetheart deal.

" ...
SoftBank and Arm are entitled to keep $2 billion Nvidia paid at signing, including a $1.25 billion breakup fee, whether the deal goes through or not.

..."
Nvidia (NVDA) Quietly Prepares to Abandon $40 Billion Arm Bid - Bloomberg

The 20 year deal might have been lower but there were two paths there. One, Nvidia grossly overpays for all of Arm ... for which there is no real 'bargain' there. A higher fee there would all become 'Funny money' accounting once all internal ( Nvidia would owe Nvidia a high fee ). Second, the merge never happens ( which was the far , far , far more likely path all along. ) and Nvidia dumps $2B short terms into Arms coffers to keep them rolling forward for a couple of years while Softbank figures out some more reasonable exit. Can couch some of that $2B as the upfront payment on that 20 year license. If the deal didn't go through, then Nvidia was required to pay a huge chunk of money. " Pay $250M and get a 50% off discount off something else. " very often isn't much of a 'sweetheart' deal.
Long term, that 'break up fee' will not be much of a huge loss for Nvidia. Probably was 'worth' the gamble when the deal had little chance of going through.


[ Qualcomm is having a hissy fit over 'tens of millions' in more licensing. Nvidia coughed up 10x that. ]



The problem is only if Softbank siphoned that money off instead of using it to invest in Arm until they can unload it.




P.S. The other part that writeup seems to gloss over is where Qualcomm says they have v9 and Nuvia had v8 ( or what Arm is saying is 'server v8 ' ) . And that Qualcomm has lower fees because they ship higher volume products. If Qualcomm plays switcher-roo then can try to 'skip' the v9 'server' license fees. It is a thing where Qualcomm is cherry picking which subsection of which license they want to choose from to create the cheapest path for themselves. Pluck the lower fees from the old/original Qualcomm license but pluck the server cores usage from the Nuvia one. End result is higher horsepower cores at a lower fee than Arm would normally license. Yeah right , Arm are not going to have a problem with that. ( Qualcomm playing the shocked and surprised at being sued is a chuckle. )
 
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