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ARM Mac Pro - WWDC 2023

Will the ARM Mac Pro be announced at WWDC 2023?

  • Yes

    Votes: 72 52.9%

  • No

    Votes: 64 47.1%
  • Total voters
    136
bobcomer said:
Not garbage, but RAM is not so good. I like that you can put "video i/o card" I wonder if it's a full GPU, but I kind of doubt it.

Not much surprises, not what i wanted, but not nothing either. Available next week!
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im not saying the M2 ultra is grbage, but the product itself...you will never get full GPU...Nvidia 0 chances
 
A few interesting things:

- Lack of something like a 4x M2Max means memory limits are going to turn away some potential users
- Similar price to Mac Studio is nice to see
- No MPX slots anymore suggests that compute accelerators are even more unlikely

I wonder if this this is the backup solution - rumours of the cancelled 4x M2Max (M2 Extreme?) not working out make me wonder if they had to fall back to this as the top of the line?
 
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bcortens said:
I wonder if this this is the backup solution - rumours of the cancelled 4x M2Max (M2 Extreme?) not working out make me wonder if they had to fall back to this as the top of the line?
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Yeah, it does seem like a placeholder product. They were probably working on something bigger but couldn’t make it in time. Let’s see if this is the best they can do or whether there will be more compelling products in the future.
 
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PsykX said:
Quite the deception here.

The Mac Studio will continue to cannibalize most Mac Pro sales for quite a few years I think.
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Apple must have figured out that 80% or more buyers of a powerful desktop do not need/want PCIe slots.

If a Mac Studio was offered in 2002 with the same CPU as a 2002 Power Macintosh G4 1.0 DP I'd have opted for that rather than a Quicksilver.
 
I'm convinced half the Mac Pro market is just YouTubers who over bought for video editing.

But seriously, who is this for? That is a very thin slice of the market they're going for
 
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Tech Specs:

Six full-length PCI Express gen 4 slots
Two x16 slots
Four x8 slots

One half-length x4 PCI Express gen 3 slot with Apple I/O card installed

Curious where they get all those 64 lanes from. Unless the two x16 slots are not actually 16 lanes.
 
bcortens said:
A few interesting things:

- Lack of something like a 4x M2Max means memory limits are going to turn away some potential users
- Similar price to Mac Studio is nice to see
- No MPX slots anymore suggests that compute accelerators are even more unlikely

I wonder if this this is the backup solution - rumours of the cancelled 4x M2Max (M2 Extreme?) not working out make me wonder if they had to fall back to this as the top of the line?
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I think you are right. If this really is the machine they had in mind, then they would have released it last year with M1 Ultra
 
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I have to say Apple just prove that Apple Silicon sucks and cant really make Pro computers. M2 Ultra on Mac Pro is a joke itself and I have no idea what they are thinking right now. Too expensive and yet, less than before.
 
jdb8167 said:
Tech Specs:

Six full-length PCI Express gen 4 slots
Two x16 slots
Four x8 slots

One half-length x4 PCI Express gen 3 slot with Apple I/O card installed

Curious where they get all those 64 lanes from. Unless the two x16 slots are not actually 16 lanes.
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Don't forget the additional lanes needed for the 8 Thunderbolt ports. There is probably a PCIe switch or 2 involved.
 
Algr said:
It's really lame that they keep comparing stuff to "Intel Macs". Those Macs were behind Intel PCs when they first came out.
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Because they know that they cant even compare their chips to latest Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU.
 
I'm curious - what might anyone actually install into an AS Mac Pro's PCIe slots? Is there any use case out there for this type of expandability?
 
Welp, my name is Steve Harvey and this is the Family Feud. I saw it and it should not have happened. Check back in the posts.....
 
diamond.g said:
Don't forget the additional lanes needed for the 8 Thunderbolt ports. There is probably a PCIe switch or 2 involved.
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The pragmatically are not any ’addtional’ lanes . The Apple Thundercontroller is extremedy likely implemented on same general design as Intel has since Gen11 ( Tiger Lake )

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Intel envisions a USB 4 standard based on Type-C, talks about Thunderbolt 3 and Wi-Fi 6 integration in Ice Lake CPUs

Intel spoke about the integration of Thunderbolt 3 and Wi-Fi 6 Gig+ directly into the 10nm Ice Lake architecture during its presentation at Computex 2019. USB Type-C I/O can now directly interface with the Thunderbolt 3 that is integrated onto the Ice Lake CPU bypassing the need to implement a...
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In short , the PCI Controller in the Thunderbolt controller cluster is sitting on the internal communication bus on the dit’s. No lanes are being consumed off the die to implement Thunderbolt.
i can’t find the link at the moment but there was a comment by some Intel person that putting thr PCI controller and integrating Thunderbolt this way dramatically cut down on power required to deliver the service. In other words, it results in greatly increased Perf/watt. Apple is all about higher Perf/watt . if not the same Apple’s implemented will be pretty close in logical organization .


So, is extremely likely the Ultra is doing Thunderbolt with exact same building blocks that the M2 , M2 Pro/Max do . There are 4 TB controllers on the Pro and Max dies. The Ultra doubles up two Max dies , so getting to maxiumum of 8 is not surprising

the Mac Studio holds back on two controllers . i think one is for the HDMI output and the other savings on thermals and logic board space/cost . Mac Pro has space and bigger thermal headroom. Won’t be surprising if two HDMI ports on Mac Pro are sharing somehow.


yeah there is likely a PCI switch for the slots . It is also there on MP 2019 . Apple fed two x16 feeds into a switch that covered 6 slots ( and more) there. Same thing probably going on here . I suspect there is only 1or 2 x16 PCI-e v4 backhaul bandwidth behind all the slots on the new Mac Pro .
 
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