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Enjoy your complete lack of security and privacy. Personally, I prefer something a bit more secure. SMS/MMS should have retired long ago

But if you are happy with it, more power to you.
What? Somebody's going to hack my text to find out what bar i am going to be going to tonight. Oh and about that cute from my Corporate law class from my 2nd year of grad school who i happened to see at starbucks tuesday.

The melodrama is strong lol.

I never will deny the benefits of Privacy....I also am not ultra Paranoid about things because I am not that worried. I also happened to use Tiktok and other apps despite the risk of my data being sold by the CCP
 
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Company communications to folks outside the business end up using email or SMS/MMS unless you are lucky and they use your default app. They don’t know what you have set up. This is where the default comes in.

Personal messaging, unless you have coordination between yourself and the party you are ”talking” too defaults to your messaging. If they are anything but iMessage, you get SMS/MMS on the iOS side. On the Android side you get SMS/MMS unless they are sent via RCS (usually the Android default).

It’s a challenge and one I would love see go away - SMS/MMS and be replaced with something else.
These limitations are true of Android as well, unless you’re talking about RCS, but that’s coming to Apple’s Messages app, so that won’t be the case for very long. And some businesses (perhaps not big mega corps) do use tools like FaceBook Messenger to communicate with their customers, especially smaller businesses that use FaceBook’s business tools. Many big software companies even have a FaceBook Messenger contact button for contacting them via FaceBook Messenger. Maybe not in certain circumstances, but it is a thing.

And with personal messaging on Android, again, the same is true. You don’t send something via FaceBook Messenger on one phone and receive it in Google’s Messages app or vice versa. Using those messaging apps requires coordination on Android as well. Both parties have to use the app, because they use their own independent technologies. Really, the only difference between the two (Android and iOS) as far as I can see is RCS, which is coming to Apple’s Messages app soon. And, btw, it should be noted that if a software company had been so concerned about RCS support on iOS before, as far as I’m aware, nothing’s holding them back from making a messaging app that uses RCS. It’s not an OS incompatibility as far as I’m aware. I don’t believe there’s anything preventing developers from making another messaging app that could be linked with your phone number to receive SMS, MMS, and RCS messages sent to your number. Maybe I’m missing something in that regard, but I haven’t seen anything that would prevent an app like that existing from what I’ve seen. Though at this point, it’s irrelevant since Apple’s Messages app will be adding RCS support.
 
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And I have to wonder who judges them and why in their mind. Maybe their life is so shallow and hollow they resort to judge people by their chat bubble colours. And to those “victims”, the correct response should be just walking away.
Exactly. THey are complaining about Apple users but in reality you should ditch anyone who is judging you over a phone color text bubble.
By 2021, in the US, Google’s RCS was adopted as the default messaging app and as a result is preloaded on pretty much every Android device.
Carriers still actively support SMS/MMS just as they do RCS.
’s not an OS incompatibility as far as I’m aware. I don’t believe there’s anything preventing developers from making another messaging app that could be linked with your phone number to receive SMS, MMS, and RCS messages sent to your number. Maybe I’m missing something in that regard, but I haven’t seen anything that would prevent an app like that existing from what I’ve seen. Though at this point, it’s irrelevant since Apple’s Messages app will be adding RCS support.

You make a very good point. iMessage may not support RCS yet but if it is simply a communicaton Protocol why hasn't Google simply made an app for APP store to do so?

It might not be "Default": as he wants it to be (becuase God forbid you cant make it default even if you dont have to use Apple messaging) but you could still use it.

You can then argue that Whatsapp/Telegram.

What's scary (and sad is) that Android fans want to criticize Apple yet they essentially want Google and whatever they push to be the standard. How that is any different than Microsoft in the 1990s, is beyond me.

(not really: as long as it is Google doing it and not apple pushing the norm, they dont care)
 
RCS is very reliable. Maybe a number of years back it had some issues. Those are a thing of the past.
Might want to step out that RCS bubble...it is not entirely reliable.

Much like Android and its many flavors, there are also tons of RCS flavors and versions. RCS IS the "Standard", yes (SMS/MMS is still the dominant protocol. Dont forget that there are places like India who rely heavily on 2g/3g)

There's google jibe and Carrier hub/flavor of RCS (SO yes Carrier's do have influence on RCS if they choose not to use Google jibe), etc etc.

A quick google search showed me from T-mobile, Verizon, At&t several topics within the last 6 months of people who are complaining about RCS relaibility. On Pixels and on Samsung Galaxy models and other devices. To the point that they have turned it off entirely.

The fact is that sense RCS is able to be modified to fit whatever use it is required to, it is incredibly fragmented and what may work for one person with no issues doesn't always work for others.

So no it's not reliable. Not in the way iMessage is. But hey you can at least stop having a fit over the fact you cant message Android and IOS users (even though you have cross platofrm apps)

Here you go
 
Ya, I’ve seen several times people complaining about the green bubbles, it absolutely is a thing. 👍🏻
I just dread the day that Apple loses what makes it uniquely so and we are left with google as the standard

I had no idea there was a browser war going on with google and chromium browsers and firefox. I have to stop using edge because it is a chromium based browser and i actually like edge.
 
I just dread the day that Apple loses what makes it uniquely so and we are left with google as the standard

I had no idea there was a browser war going on with google and chromium browsers and firefox. I have to stop using edge because it is a chromium based browser and i actually like edge.
Ya, I use Safari as my main browser. And for non Apple devices, I have Firefox, though I don’t really use non-Apple devices very often at all. So it’s mainly Safari. I love Safari’s tab grid overview, that’s something I miss with other browsers like Firefox. I like Edge as well, but I don’t like that Chromium is taking so much ground.
 
Actually I am not.
What I am asking is that Apple work with others to allow an E2EE standard to be in place and used by all. This would replace or evolve SMS/MMS. The challenge is Apple’s refusal to do that. RCS is the new replacement standard for SMS/MMS and does not require carrier support (though most already have adopted it). I appreciate that Apple is adding RCS in the next year or two to iMessage however, as an Apple (and other OS) user I am very disappointed at the lack of E2EE.
From what I understand Apple is working with the GSMA to improve encryption in RCS. Being disappointed in them not moving faster on this is not Apple's fault nor does it require them to open their service to third parties or bring it to Android. If E2EE is vital right now there are a variety of apps that support it cross platform in the meantime.

See below: You throughout this thread seem to think that Apple should be super concerned with this and treat it as somehow their problem to solve. The fact that Messages supports both iMessage and SMS means that when you aren't communicating over iMessage you are using SMS. The preferred use of the Messages app is the iMessage protocol and that is obviously how Apple wants people to use the app given the way they have expanded it over the years. If you are using it for SMS then you are using the fallback messaging system that they seem to treat as the baseline. There is nothing special about the messages app that requires them to support some third protocol which supports E2EE. Apple isn't forcing you to communicate with non-iMessage people with the Messages app.
Adding @lkrupp

One more time … it isn’t about access to iMessage.
It’s about the ability to communicate to iMessage from non-Apple devices and from iMessage to non-Apple devices and have E2EE.

Apple is forcing Apple users to use non-E2EE anytime they use iMessage to communicate to a non-iMessage partner. Apple is more concerned about locking in / retaining users than your security / privacy when it comes to messaging.
 
We are getting RCS, so why is iMessage still such a big discussion point for Android? Literally way more important things to focus on than iMessage which is largely irrelevant in every other country except the US.
Until we actually *get* RCS, there will be discussions like this. Just because Apple said they would implement RCS doesn't mean it'll happen. And no, I never trust Apple to not go back on their word. I can't think of a megacorp that I do trust.

And maybe even after if Apple's implementation sucks.
 
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Until we actually *get* RCS, there will be discussions like this. Just because Apple said they would implement RCS doesn't mean it'll happen. And no, I never trust Apple to not go back on their word. I can't think of a megacorp that I do trust.

And maybe even after if Apple's implementation sucks.
Apple also said they will add collaborative music playlists to Apple Music, do you think they’re just lying about that too? I have no reason to doubt that they will add RCS, just as I have no reason to doubt that they will add collaborative music playlists to Apple Music. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
It’s not about trust. If apple doesn’t deliver functionality I want, or if they aren’t innovative enough for me etc they risk losing me as a customer. I’m noise but in the 10s of millions ouch.
A lot here seem to trust we will get RCS, and even next year. I don't. I don't see myself getting a new iPhone at all right now, but not implementing RCS is definitely a point in android's favor.

Give me a foldable iPhone, RCS, and minimum brightness control for my AWU2, then I'll probably buy an iPhone 16 Pro. :)
 
Apple also said they will add collaborative music playlists to Apple Music, do you think they’re just lying about that too?
I can't comment on that because I don't subscribe to Apple Music, so I haven't been paying attention to it at all.

I have no reason to doubt that they will add RCS, just as I have no reason to doubt that they will add collaborative music playlists to Apple Music. 🤷🏼‍♂️
I hope you're right about RCS, but I wont trust it until it's here.
 
A lot here seem to trust we will get RCS, and even next year. I don't. I don't see myself getting a new iPhone at all right now, but not implementing RCS is definitely a point in android's favor.
I can't comment on that because I don't subscribe to Apple Music, so I haven't been paying attention to it at all.


I hope you're right about RCS, but I wont trust it until it's here.
You don’t have to believe them, but I don’t see any good reason not to trust them on this. I don’t know if you know or not, but Apple’s Messages app receiving RCS isn’t just a rumor, Apple officially announced they would be implementing it next year. There’s not really any reason for Apple to lie about it.
 
You don’t have to believe them, but I don’t see any good reason not to trust them on this.
Corporations have to do what they think will make the most money -- things change and projects go bye bye...

I don’t know if you know or not, but Apple’s Messages app receiving RCS isn’t just a rumor, Apple officially announced they would be implementing it next year. There’s not really any reason for Apple to lie about it.
Until we actually get RCS, it doesn't exist for iMessage. Yes, I was aware they officially announced it, but that doesn't make me think it'll happen with no possibility of them going back on their work and officially saying the project to do it was cancelled. Or just letting it disappear for that matter.
 
Corporations have to do what they think will make the most money -- things change and projects go bye bye...


Until we actually get RCS, it doesn't exist for iMessage. Yes, I was aware they officially announced it, but that doesn't make me think it'll happen with no possibility of them going back on their work and officially saying the project to do it was cancelled. Or just letting it disappear for that matter.
I just honestly don’t understand this level of cynicism. I don’t see this reaction every June when Apple announces the new features they’re going to roll out: “they said they will be adding these new features to iOS, but I don’t trust that they’re going to really do it.” Generally, if Apple announces they’re going to add new features to iOS, they actually do.
 
It is currently the default replacement for SMS/MMS. That change is going to be drawn out as that would significantly impact Apple users. With RCS coming to iMessage, maybe that will speed things up.
It is not a replacement for SMS.MMS. RCS runs at the user data layer just like ALL other messaging apps. It still falls back to SMS when necessary. In order for RCS to replace SMS it has to be adopted and supported by the carrier at the same privileged data layer used by SMS (tower signaling channel or some other process in todays architecture).
 
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