Best alternative to iPhone?

[Awesomesince86]

Pretty much what i wrote before…even AndroidAuthority sees the 12 PM as pretty much clear class leader: https://www.androidauthority.com/apple-iphone-12-pro-max-review-revisited-1218331/

It's one writer on the staff at a random, pretty average, tech site. It's hardly a nail in the coffin to the iOS vs android discussion.

The 12 PM is a great phone and a great choice. I'll stick with the S21 Ultras superior display, better ergonomics, more versatile camera, and a more open OS. But I can see why someone would choose the 12 PM...but this thread is specifically about any phone besides an IPhone. So let's keep the discussion on that.

 

[michael9891]

Pretty much what i wrote before…even AndroidAuthority sees the 12 PM as pretty much clear class leader: https://www.androidauthority.com/apple-iphone-12-pro-max-review-revisited-1218331/

Personal preferences are what makes one phone better than other when it comes to flagship iPhone / Android.

 

[The Game 161]

Getting rather silly now really In the back and forth.

it all depends on your OS of preference. When you compare feature to feature and overall specs i don’t think any phone can compete with the s21 ultra. It has basically all the things you would want in a phone.

I love my 12 pro max and while the iphone will always be my daily due to the Apple Watch and overall working better for my daily life not only OS wise but family wise with activity sharing with friends and family and of course iCloud.

There can be other phones which can be seen as better but if it doesn’t suit your usage and needs then you go with what works best for the user.

 

[tmmacops]

Getting rather silly now really In the back and forth.

it all depends on your OS of preference. When you compare feature to feature and overall specs i don’t think any phone can compete with the s21 ultra. It has basically all the things you would want in a phone.

I love my 12 pro max and while the iphone will always be my daily due to the Apple Watch and overall working better for my daily life not only OS wise but family wise with activity sharing with friends and family and of course iCloud.

There can be other phones which can be seen as better but if it doesn’t suit your usage and needs then you go with what works best for the user.

So true. This is the case with laptops, etc as well. It’s not a one size fits all…

 

[Marylens654]

Only Samsung or Google Pixel only can be better as I think

 

[GSWForever8]

No such thing mate, apple is the best, no completion, if you want lag, heat, battery drain, bloat, ads in apps, 2x apps for messages, photo, mail, internet, calendar and plenty others, ?‍♂️? get a samsung lol, promise you one thing, you'll be back on iOS in a week or two.

Even die hard Samsung fans are starting to the see the light and gimmicks on samsung phones.

That’s very true.

 

[Expos of 1969]

I will have to disagree with @LFC2020. I switched to Android a year and a half ago and have no desire or need to go back to an iPhone. But both systems are excellent in their own ways. Choose what makes you happy

 

[TopherMan12]

I will have to disagree with @LFC2020. I switched to Android a year and a half ago and have no desire or need to go back to an iPhone.

I spent the last year with Android before switching back to iPhone and I have a new appreciation for what Android and specifically, Samsung, bring to the table. My Note 20 Ultra is a damn fine phone with a ton of features, many of which I simply do not have on my iPhone. Like you say, they both have their advantages and that is a good thing. If iPhone and Android were exactly alike then this would be one boring industry and this forum would be damn near empty.

But both systems are excellent in their own ways. Choose what makes you happy

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[HALE101]

120hz is nice , but I do find it weird how android fanboys use this as their major flex to justify that android phones are better. I lol when I hear "I could never ever ever go back to 60hz omg" dramatic much ? It's a phone lol. People seem to forget that forums and techy ppl like use make up like 3 percent of the market. 90 percent of boomers have no clue what refresh rates are .

 

[ian87w]

120hz is nice , but I do find it weird how android fanboys use this as their major flex to justify that android phones are better. I lol when I hear "I could never ever ever go back to 60hz omg" dramatic much ? It's a phone lol. People seem to forget that forums and techy ppl like use make up like 3 percent of the market. 90 percent of boomers have no clue what refresh rates are .

It’s not Android fans specifically, it’s the typical “bigger number is better so mine is better than yours” flex of, quite often imo, the males. And there are a lot of testosterone in the tech enthusiast world. My grass is greener than yours.

Back in the days, it was the 1GHz clock speed race (intel vs AMD vs PowerPC). Then there’s megapixel, core count, RAM, pixel per inch, and now refresh rate, anything that is quantifiable with a number.

It’s made worst by youtubers, who are mostly imo are not even actual techies in terms of knowledge (both Apple and Android cheerleaders). They’re just, in essence, repeating the marketing materials, and thus those bigger numbers are highlighted since they’re the main marketing points.

I’m fortunate that I’m able to experience both platforms. I know features that Android has that don’t exist on iOS (twin apps, call recording). No Android reviewers ever mention these features that are actually the killer features for me. But I also recognize the gimmicks (eg refresh rates). I have a Poco X3 with 120Hz refresh rate, but in real life use of the phone, it’s not giving me a “better” user experience than my Galaxy A71 with 60Hz.

 

[TopherMan12]

120hz is nice , but I do find it weird how android fanboys use this as their major flex to justify that android phones are better. I lol when I hear "I could never ever ever go back to 60hz omg" dramatic much ? It's a phone lol. People seem to forget that forums and techy ppl like use make up like 3 percent of the market. 90 percent of boomers have no clue what refresh rates are .

Obviously 120hz is highlighted because iPhone doesn't have it. I do think 120hz should be an option on every flagship smart phone that costs $1000 or more. That iPhone Pro doesn't have it is a bit strange. Having said that, I'm finding going back to 60hz is pretty easy. The fact that my iPhone 12 Pro is 60hz isn't something I am consciously aware of. If I compare it directly to my Note 20 Ultra then I can see the difference, but I am not one to typically walk around with two phones all the time. So if 120hz requires direct comparison for it to be obvious then that reduces its importance, imo. Like you said, 120hz is nice, but if I were back to Android it would have to be for something more significant than that. 60hz is fine.

 

[iHorseHead]

Galaxy S21 Ultra is a lot better than iPhone, but it's a bit pricey.
Also, Android is great for having YouTube Vanced and YT music danced, which is free.
OnePlus 8T also seems to be better than iPhone in many ways and a lot cheaper.

 

[The Game 161]

Using the 12 pro max and s21 ultra side by side i do notice the difference with the refresh rate and will look forward to the iPhone getting it this year. the iPhone’s animations doesn’t make it slow but it is certainly better to use the ultra for this reason when scrolling.

 

[jamezr]

120hz is nice , but I do find it weird how android fanboys use this as their major flex to justify that android phones are better. I lol when I hear "I could never ever ever go back to 60hz omg" dramatic much ? It's a phone lol. People seem to forget that forums and techy ppl like use make up like 3 percent of the market. 90 percent of boomers have no clue what refresh rates are .

Then when the iPhones gets 120hz...all the Apple fanboys will all say how great it is and how Apple invented it or improved it somehow on the iPhone and it is different and better than the implementation on any and all Android phones.

It has been this way with every feature the iPhone gets that Android phones had first....

 

[MarkX]

Then when the iPhones gets 120hz...all the Apple fanboys will all say how great it is and how Apple invented it or improved it somehow on the iPhone and it is different and better than the implementation on any and all Android phones.

It has been this way with every feature the iPhone gets that Android phones had first....

You've also got the Apple fan boys who state that 60hz on an iPhone is smoother than a 60hz Android phone!

 

[jamezr]

You've also got the Apple fan boys who state that 60hz on an iPhone is smoother than a 60hz Android phone!

yeah it really gets silly sometimes. Remember when Android phones had wireless charging before iPhones?
All of Apple fandome said they didn't need it.....then when the iPhone got wireless charging it was the best feature ever and somehow Apple made it better than how it was on Android phones.

It has been this way with every feature the iPhone gets that Android phones had first....

 

[ian87w]

You've also got the Apple fan boys who state that 60hz on an iPhone is smoother than a 60hz Android phone!

Well, to be fair, there will be a reason for that. If Apple adopt high refresh rate for the iPhone, it would be the latest LTPO panel from Samsung that only exists on (I think) the Note 20 ultra and S21 Ultra, so far. Those models are not that common nor huge sellers compared to the iPhone. So it’s a very high end panel. Meanwhile, the common high refresh rates on majority of Android phones are the earlier tech or LCDs (eg. No variable rate, have ghosting issue, only supported in few select games, etc). The public’s impression, of course, will be that Apple does it better.

Another example is fingerprint sensors. Android phones with fingerprint sensors existed before TouchID, but many used older tech where you have to swipe your finger. Apple decided to wait on capacitive sensors, and TouchID became the gold standard, even though it’s not the first fingerprint sensor.

 

[LFC2020]

The public’s impression, of course, will be that Apple does it better.

Another example is fingerprint sensors. Android phones with fingerprint sensors existed before TouchID, but many used older tech where you have to swipe your finger. Apple decided to wait on capacitive sensors, and TouchID became the gold standard, even though it’s not the first fingerprint sensor.

Spot on, apple is the gold standard, they don’t rush new features just so they can get extra sales, they have no problems selling 40-60 millions iPhones a qtr, don’t see any android manufactures on that level,

Got a 120hz on my iPad Pro after 2 minutes you don’t even realize it’s there, 60hz on my 12 pro max is more than smooth enough.

Funny how these android phone makers (especially Samsung) bag apple at every chance they get, then they copy apple, no charger, no headphone jack, Smart tag and the list goes on.

The copycats wait for apple to lead from the front then follow as always.

without apple, Samsung would be in a lot of trouble, wonder what they’ll copy next.

 

[jamezr]

Well, to be fair, there will be a reason for that. If Apple adopt high refresh rate for the iPhone, it would be the latest LTPO panel from Samsung that only exists on (I think) the Note 20 ultra and S21 Ultra, so far. Those models are not that common nor huge sellers compared to the iPhone. So it’s a very high end panel. Meanwhile, the common high refresh rates on majority of Android phones are the earlier tech or LCDs (eg. No variable rate, have ghosting issue, only supported in few select games, etc). The public’s impression, of course, will be that Apple does it better.

Another example is fingerprint sensors. Android phones with fingerprint sensors existed before TouchID, but many used older tech where you have to swipe your finger. Apple decided to wait on capacitive sensors, and TouchID became the gold standard, even though it’s not the first fingerprint sensor.

Then look at FPS on Android yes there are some FPS on Android that were not very good to be honest. then there were some that were pretty great! There are some that are vastly better than TouchID and under the display as well! Same with the display technology.... Apple doesn't make the hardware but they can order display technology to their own specs. They could put in an order to Samsung for 15-30 million displays and we all know Samsung would gladly fill that order.

This kind of slow to release features is not new to Apple...they did the same with larger display phones...wireless charging. This same thing is going to happen with Always on Display on iphones. Apple fans have said they don't need AOD on iphones and see no use for it. But most rumors are that the new iPhone 13 ( or whatever they end up naming it) will have AOD. Now watch as it becomes a very highly touted feature this fall and Apple fans will love it even though Android has had this feature for years.

Now don't get me wrong here....they ALL copy from each other. We as consumers benefit from it.

But it seems the iPhone crowd throws shade on any feature the iPhone does not have....until the iPhone gets it then it is awesome all of a sudden. The same will happen with AOD and 120hz.

 

[jamezr]

Spot on, apple is the gold standard, they don’t rush new features just so they can get extra sales, they have no problems selling 40-60 millions iPhones a qtr, don’t see any android manufactures on that level,
Got a 120hz on my iPad Pro after 2 minutes you don’t even realize it’s there, 60hz on my 12 pro max is more than smooth enough.
Funny how these android phone makers (especially Samsung) bag apple at every chance they get, then they copy apple, no charger, no headphone jack, Smart tag and the list goes on.
The copycats wait for apple to lead from the front then follow as always.
without apple, Samsung would be in a lot of trouble, wonder what they’ll copy next.

you really need to grow up......

You contradict yourself so many times....

So is it Apple waits and then implements better as you say in the first sentence?
Or is it apple leads from the front?

So Apple copies just as much as the rest does.......just some are blinded by brand loyalty and don't see it even when it is pointed out to them.

Here are 10 quick ones...

10 iPhone Features Apple 'Shamelessly Copied' from Android Phones

Apple isn't always the first to take a stab at an innovative concept. Many features have crossed over from Android; we're looking at the Top 10.

www.iphonehacks.com

 

[JagRunner]

you really need to grow up......

You contradict yourself so many times....

So is it Apple waits and then implements better as you say in the first sentence?
Or is it apple leads from the front?

So Apple copies just as much as the rest does.......just some are blinded by brand loyalty and don't see it even when it is pointed out to them.

Here are 10 quick ones...

10 iPhone Features Apple 'Shamelessly Copied' from Android Phones

Apple isn't always the first to take a stab at an innovative concept. Many features have crossed over from Android; we're looking at the Top 10.

www.iphonehacks.com

Got ‘em ??

 

[Awesomesince86]

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[Awesomesince86]

you really need to grow up......

You contradict yourself so many times....

So is it Apple waits and then implements better as you say in the first sentence?
Or is it apple leads from the front?

So Apple copies just as much as the rest does.......just some are blinded by brand loyalty and don't see it even when it is pointed out to them.

Here are 10 quick ones...

10 iPhone Features Apple 'Shamelessly Copied' from Android Phones

Apple isn't always the first to take a stab at an innovative concept. Many features have crossed over from Android; we're looking at the Top 10.

www.iphonehacks.com

And Samsung released their Smart Tag first but somehow they copied Apple.

 

[LFC2020]

And Samsung released their Smart Tag first but somehow they copied Apple.

The whole world knew apple had their AirTags ready to launch along time ago.

Apple AirTags have been ready for years — here’s the proof

Dates on AirTags’ packaging hints at 2019 design

www.google.com.au

Typical Samsung would be out of business if they didn’t have apple to copy off. ?‍♂️?

 

[The_Interloper]

The whole world knew apple had their AirTags ready to launch along time ago.

Apple AirTags have been ready for years — here’s the proof

Dates on AirTags’ packaging hints at 2019 design

www.google.com.au

Typical Samsung would be out of business if they didn’t have apple to copy off. ?‍♂️?

Apple didn’t copy Samsung. Samsung didn’t copy Apple.

Tile has been around for over eight years. They are both copies of that.