Best monitor for Mac Pro?

[pprior]

I just returned an HP zr30w due to an annoying humming noise that was produced at anything other than full brightness settings (which was WAY too bright).

Ended up getting a pa271 from NEC.

I'm coming from a 2 x 21" dell setup that was hardware calibrated but 7 years old.

The NEC calibrates beautifully (bought a PA241w also for portrait mode next to it, they calibrate to match and I can't see any difference).

The 30" was a big overwhelming with the second monitor to the side, at least on my desk. The 27" fits my eyes a bit better, but that's just personal preference.

The spectravision system works well and is worth it.

I've waited 5 years for apple to update their 30" ACD, and they never got around to do it, with the glossy only 27" being their only other offering, NEC got my money.

 

[Honumaui]

Yeah, I do have a weird feeling about Dell and HP.. never really liked them. I'm more tending towards the ACD 30" or the NEC monitor. Yes, the Apple screen is old (last silent update 2007), but does that make it 'bad'? (I mean even the NEC monitor is from 2008 isn't it?) How do the two screens compare in terms of image quality etc?

What's the PA series? It'll probably be a lot more expensive than the current 30" NEC, no?

yeah the PA is the new flagship one replacing the 90 series in a sense that its going to be nicer ?
just 24 and 27 inch out and will be close to the same price ? so its not a jump up really its more replacing as it goes up ?
think buying a new mac 3 years ago for 3k and spending 3k this year ?
same price just newer technology gets you more


I have a ACD 30 and the older HP that is nicer than the 30 ACD to my eyes in some ways more on that in a sec ? I also have NEC SV 90 series and waiting on the PA 30 to replace the 90 series and the monitors move on down the line I always have one color accurate at least and then a move down of some kind for 2nd display
our layout machine has twin 30s the apple and the HP I use the Necs for the color work though waiting for the PA to replace my SV 90 series which will then become my 2nd monitor and the old apple I have as my second now ? might go to the kids room you ge the idea
I replace my monitors every 3 years meaning I buy one every year and move it down the line

when I got the apple it was the only 30 inch game the HP was the first 30 that was wider gamut that profiled well ? its not perfect but better than the Dell profiled out I would choose the one earlier model dell over the apple maybe ? I have not played with the latest 30 inch dell so cant say but reviews are not hot ?
I have always had something like the SV 2490 as its considered the most accurate display out so as 30s have gotten better I always had a color accurate monitor back to sony artisan CRT days


the apple ACD 30 is old and outdated in the sense that things are going wider gamut and printing can show it now with good printers etc...

and yes the NEC is a few years dated but still was so ahead of the game its still good but the PA is going to beat it !! when it comes out as the new technology has a few things up its sleeve !
so while its older its not outdated as bad as the apple is !!

its like the apple is a mac pro 1,1 and the NEC is a mac pro 4,1
the 4,1 will still be beating some new 5,1 configurations
but I doubt any 1,1are going to touch even the lowest 5,1s ?
does that make sense
the apple puts out good color but not as good as NEC ? the apple puts out good color compared to the HP but its not wide gamut ? so its a tradeoff really in some ways the Apple might be a touch more accurate and have a touch less cast than the HP for accuracy I might lean toward the apple if I only worked in sRGB MAYBE ? its that close

looking into the details of shadows and such the apple is lacking over the HP monitor a bit and both fall way behind the NEC stuff by a decent margin to my well trained eyes heheheh

so the apple is not bad ? is the mac pro 1,1 bad ? nope its a great machine and from the glance looks the same as the new one ? but will it perform any where near a new one ? NOPE
that is more what I mean

and I am a monitor snob but its my living accurate color ? so I tend to be more picky


also NEC makes great stuff and OK stuff and Dell has a few nice monitors as does HP you just have to be careful in choosing but the NEC the PA or 90 series SV are all top notch and in a league up
so just cause its NEC does not mean its going to be better than anything

IMHO if you are going to spend the coin just spring for the NEC and get the SV software ! and either the gretag unit if you can get a good buy on the SV model of the 30 its worth it
again its like buying a Porsche for $60 k and not sprining for the S for $70k
if you went that far might as well do it proper
comparing SV to say color eyes which is good the SV is nicer !


if the super accurate color accuracy is not a big deal ? then the Dell or HP might be the best for you or others that want that 30 and still have good color some might not see the difference ?

another thing I have said for others is get yourself something like the PA 24 inch NEC most say the most accurate monitor out now !!!!
and get a 30 inch dell or HP for a good deal and you end up with about the same as a NEC 30 inch ? maybe a touch more but you have a 30 inch and a super color accurate monitor for color critical work and 2 monitors

this is a great way to go really when you think of it best of both worlds ?

but if you need and want that 30 inch to be dead accurate then the NEC is the only game in town
Eizo are nice but overpriced IMHO for what you get ? they cant show and nobody can show they are BETTER than NEC yet cost way more ?
and NEC are not better than the EIZO both are the top ones but when one is half the cost ? its easy for most to choose and not get hung up on the name

hope this helps

 

[Honumaui]

also I am not saying HP or Dell monitors are bad in the sense compared to others in their class ?

its just you cant compare a honda to a Porsche for performance ?

so when you need color accuracy as a main thing the NEC are the ones to get and that again does not mean any NEC it means the 90 series or the new PA series

their are some Dell that can beat out some lower NEC


also when I hear IPS this or that ?
this is like saying OH that has a 6 cylinder means very little


and when some say well its the same panel that so and so company uses its not just the panel its about the elctronics that drive it ? again not a big deal
so if you had a good performing engine and dropped one in a hyundai and one in a porsche which would you want
Porsche is also about brakes and suspension and so much more that makes the cars perform as a package !

 

[Ravich]

The backlight bleed in that YouTube review is not that bad. Mine has less than that, but still a little bit on the bottom corners. I've seen WAY worse. Keep in mind, he's changing viewing angles, which makes it look a lot more significant than it is. When you change angles on most monitors (let along affordable ones), it's going to shift like that.

But if you think that much backlight bleed is "utterly ridiculous," you probably need to be saving up for a more expensive monitor or be prepared to keep sending monitors back to Dell.

Like 2 lines down from where I said that, I linked to a review that had a picture where I noticed pretty much no backlight bleed, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

The one in the youtube video has very noticeable backlight bleed in 3 out of the 4 corners. I dont think I'm being picky.

 

[2contagious]

The NEC LCD3090W runs for about 1400 pounds in the UK without the SV option. The 30" Apple Cinema Display would be 995 pounds with my student discount.

NEC doesn't do student discounts, so I could maaaaaybe get the NEC without SV, since with it, it'll just be too expensive- I mean.. it's always possible to turn a regular one into a BL-SV version by buying the SV software + the calibrator separately, no? ..or is there a difference between that and buying it with the monitor?

Once the PA30 is out, it will probably be more than the 1400 pounds the 3090w can be had for -didn't the 3090w drop in price since it came out? I mean.. I look at the prices of the PA27 and THEY are currently more or less the same as the 3090w

EDIT: therefore.. which one out of: NEC LCD3090w and NEC PA27w. Also, are there any retainers that have these models on display in London, UK?

 

[Honumaui]

The NEC LCD3090W runs for about 1400 pounds in the UK without the SV option. The 30" Apple Cinema Display would be 995 pounds with my student discount.

NEC doesn't do student discounts, so I could maaaaaybe get the NEC without SV, since with it, it'll just be too expensive- I mean.. it's always possible to turn a regular one into a BL-SV version by buying the SV software + the calibrator separately, no? ..or is there a difference between that and buying it with the monitor?

Once the PA30 is out, it will probably be more than the 1400 pounds the 3090w can be had for -didn't the 3090w drop in price since it came out? I mean.. I look at the prices of the PA27 and THEY are currently more or less the same as the 3090w

I think in Europe their is a issue to get a SV lic ? so you can call and check ?
yes the prices will drop on the 30 once the new one is out !
the 2690 dropped a ton and is a great monitor the SV model runs about 1200 now roughly under 800 GBP at least that is from BH no idea about over their or duty etc..

I think you have to answer do you want accuracy or the size ?

doing layout I would rather have a larger monitor since its easier and nicer
do you do this for a living ? if not I think color accuracy is not as needed and you will have a chance to get a nicer monitor later on ?

if color work is more critical and you work outside sRGB you will not want the apple ! but something like the HP or Dell with wide gamut or the NEC 2690 that does both color accuracy and wider gamut ?

lots of choices for ya since your are a student I might say dont worry about the 30 inch NEC at this time and get the 30 inch apple and be happy its nice looking color is good enough to be the best 4 years ago ? think of it that way

decide if you want the 30 or the 2690 ? make the choice be happy with it and dont second guess get what you really want !!


buyers remorse sucks so dont listen to me listen to yourself what you want !

 

[2contagious]

I think in Europe their is a issue to get a SV lic ? so you can call and check ?
yes the prices will drop on the 30 once the new one is out !
the 2690 dropped a ton and is a great monitor the SV model runs about 1200 now roughly under 800 GBP at least that is from BH no idea about over their or duty etc.. I think you have to answer do you want accuracy or the size ? doing layout I would rather have a larger monitor since its easier and nicer

I think anything smaller than a 27" will be too small because of the resolution on 26" 16:10 monitors being 1920x1200. I like having a higher DPI, so a 27" with 2560x1400 or a 30" with 2560x1600 would be great.

do you do this for a living ? if not I think color accuracy is not as needed and you will have a chance to get a nicer monitor later on ?
if color work is more critical and you work outside sRGB you will not want the apple ! but something like the HP or Dell with wide gamut or the NEC 2690 that does both color accuracy and wider gamut ?
lots of choices for ya since your are a student I might say dont worry about the 30 inch NEC at this time and get the 30 inch apple and be happy its nice looking color is good enough to be the best 4 years ago ? think of it that way
decide if you want the 30 or the 2690 ? make the choice be happy with it and dont second guess get what you really want !!
buyers remorse sucks so dont listen to me listen to yourself what you want !

No, I don't do this for a living yet, but I am planning on doing it for a living in the future I guess the 30" ACD would be a good cheaper option for the moment. The reason why I am considering better options from NEC is that

1) At this point, I am more worried about image quality, panel quality, backlight bleeding etc. than colour accuracy. Putting colour completely aside- Are the NEC LCD3090w and NEC PA27w a lot better in terms of image quality, sharpness, general look of the panel and its surface, backlight bleeding etc.?

2) If I get a colour accurate screen now, it might last me longer since in 4 years time, the NEC will be what the ACD is now, a monitor that was one of the best 4 years ago.

Also btw I wanted to ask, do you have any pictures of your ACD30 and NEC display next to each other? What's the anti-glare coating of the NEC like? Is the it as grainy as the ACD30?

Thanks for all the info and help btw

see you,
2c

 

[Honumaui]

no pics of them ?
and honestly a pic would not help ? not being a pain just purely would not show you what you see with the look of the screen ? the NEC has a hood ? I like hoods so its really focused when you work on it no glare feeling

not sure if you can get to a place that has them ?

honestly I would say and this fits with your #2 just get the 30 inch ? apple or HP and use it enjoy it

the only reason I jumped in was you mentioned some monitors I have experience with

but really all the bleeding etc.. on the NEC 90 or PA are not going to be a issue
one thing a NEC can do like Eizo is they can also maintain your cd/m2 across the screen corner to corner much better than others ?

you ask about better ?
I guess to me its like looking at a super well done print vs a cheap done print ?
and if you put each one in a room separate from each other and then walked in and looked at them both
you would think both are great
going back and forth you would start to notice more when looking at details
and when you get them side by side you really see the difference

as example bill atkinson has some great printing info and a good test sheet to use for printing
http://homepage.mac.com/billatkinson/FileSharing2.html
go to his test print

as a example the one pic on the large page of the fall leaves and the path going into the woods
cause of the wider gamut of the HP next to the apple
the colors on the leaves of course carry farther and dont clip out and the colors in those ranges that are out of the sRGB gamut you can see you are getting more ? its not all color but its their in some
again its not earth shattering but its their

now throw that image on a NEC and you start to see more detail in the shadows and more color in the darker areas


also remember like you said in #2 these were not around a few years ago ? and the apple looks slick and the quality is good its not great ? but its better than many others ? but its also in price point the wider gamut thing might make me look at the HP or the Dell ? great price points

now I think if I were you I might say head over to www.prad.de
then head over to
http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/color_management.htm

some big reading on that last one but will get you some more info in your head

honestly I would say skip the NEC for now and get a good monitor and use that money for other things really learn and feel what you like and want and get the chance to play more with them if you get the chance ?

remember this the big monitors used to be 21 inch tubes I had a sony and did a lot of work on it and made a lot of money as a commercial photographer well before all this stuff
work that was in architectural digest food and wine magazine homes and garden and other mags
all from a old profiled apple 20 inch way back in the day when moved off the sony tubes !!! I am 47 so been at this a while

its nice to have the new stuff yes for sure but all of us never had these a few years ago

the nice thing is the 30 you get now will still be a great second monitor and in the future about 4 years you will want a new monitor and then you can get a high end NEC
trivia they have been around for over 100 years so they are not going anywhere


if you make a living I would push you to the NEC trust me I would !!!!

as I say the monitor is the thing that you view to determine how your print is going to come out on paper !


but also again I am kinda a monitor snob I admit it and why I did not get into whats best ? cause their is no best for everyone

if a gamer chose a NEC they would be bummed


hate to confuse ya I just love monitors and color etc.. OK lightroom is done exporting got to run

hope this helps go read prad good review site !!!

again you can in one year get a nice PA smaller ? use it to check your color in a sense or do color critical work on ? and enjoy the larger one for general stuff

 

[JavaTheHut]

What will you use the Monitor for is always the governing factor...
In our case we Design-Illustrate-photoretouch
I Used Dual monitors 22 Lacie crt for years, our first large panel this year the NEC MultiSync PA271W.
OMG - seen (LIVE) other panels when shopping around but this unit gets my 4.5 Stars *Price/Value *Performance *Features *Size (*Longevity/Durability unknown???)
It is big and heavy

Regard J

 

[strausd]

Just for those wondering, I have used my u2311h for a while now and really like it. The only thing is that the backlight takes a few seconds to warm up. I have a 24" LED ACD right next to the u2311h. It is kinda obvious when they both start up that the LED is much quicker. When the u2311h starts up, everything is kinda dark, but then after about 5 seconds or so its fine.

 

[Gh0stKiller]

Like 2 lines down from where I said that, I linked to a review that had a picture where I noticed pretty much no backlight bleed, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

The one in the youtube video has very noticeable backlight bleed in 3 out of the 4 corners. I dont think I'm being picky.

I read that review before I purchased as well. Now, I'm not sure how that particular website works, but I when it comes to an issue like backlight bleed, a review should be taken with a grain of salt. That particular monitor was probably sent to them free from Dell, and it was probably hand-picked before it was sent. I could be wrong about that. Call me cynical.

Check out HardForums. Pretty much everyone in the Dell U2311H thread has reported varying degrees of backlight bleed. Plenty have minimal amounts (like me). Some have had to send theirs back multiple times. There's also apparently an issue with uneven warm/cool color tinting on the Dell U2311H. Neither of mine have any issues with that.

I'm just trying to warn you: If you purchase a Dell U2311H, you're probably going to have at least some backlight bleed.

In fact, if you purchase any sub-$300 IPS monitor, you're probably going to have at least some backlight bleed.

 

[Gh0stKiller]

Just for those wondering, I have used my u2311h for a while now and really like it. The only thing is that the backlight takes a few seconds to warm up. I have a 24" LED ACD right next to the u2311h. It is kinda obvious when they both start up that the LED is much quicker. When the u2311h starts up, everything is kinda dark, but then after about 5 seconds or so its fine.

I really like both of mine as well, despite the issues I've been having with the displayports (which I don't think is the monitors' fault).

I have also noticed that one of mine takes a little while to warm up, but the other doesn't really. Kind of odd. They both match up pretty well and have only a little bit of backlight bleed, however, so I guess I should count myself lucky.

 

[2contagious]

no pics of them ?
and honestly a pic would not help ? not being a pain just purely would not show you what you see with the look of the screen ? the NEC has a hood ? I like hoods so its really focused when you work on it no glare feeling

not sure if you can get to a place that has them ?

honestly I would say and this fits with your #2 just get the 30 inch ? apple or HP and use it enjoy it

Which one comes with a hood? The LCD3090w or the PA27w? I like hoods, too.. used one in the editing room at London Print Space.. very nice
I just had a look at the 30" ACD at the Apple store again and I do love the design of the bezel etc., but both screens had non-uniform backlights. I may not need super accurate colours yet, but if there's one thing I can't stand on a monitor, it's when blacks shine white and when solid colours have slight backlight blotches Maybe I should go with an NEC afterall.

 

[Honumaui]

Which one comes with a hood? The LCD3090w or the PA27w? I like hoods, too.. used one in the editing room at London Print Space.. very nice
I just had a look at the 30" ACD at the Apple store again and I do love the design of the bezel etc., but both screens had non-uniform backlights. I may not need super accurate colours yet, but if there's one thing I can't stand on a monitor, it's when blacks shine white and when solid colours have slight backlight blotches Maybe I should go with an NEC afterall.

you have to buy the hoods separate from a place like BH or direct from NEC
I had made some from gator board before ? but they looked home made and attaching them was a pain !!!

the ACD is one of the nicest looking monitors to have on a desk out their !!!

I hear ya on the backlight ? I think once profiled things get better on the ACD ? but again you pay for it if you want the best ?

can you get to a place that has the HP or a place that has good return policy ? how is dell over that side the pond ?

last time I was in England was YEARS ago
but had the fun of going to see the clash in 1981/2 in Brixton just after the brixton riots
the only good thing about being in my late 40s is I got to live the punk era and own a 128K mac that was new

 

[2contagious]

you have to buy the hoods separate from a place like BH or direct from NEC
I had made some from gator board before ? but they looked home made and attaching them was a pain !!!

the ACD is one of the nicest looking monitors to have on a desk out their !!!

I hear ya on the backlight ? I think once profiled things get better on the ACD ? but again you pay for it if you want the best ?

can you get to a place that has the HP or a place that has good return policy ? how is dell over that side the pond ?

last time I was in England was YEARS ago
but had the fun of going to see the clash in 1981/2 in Brixton just after the brixton riots
the only good thing about being in my late 40s is I got to live the punk era and own a 128K mac that was new

Hi,

DELL seems to have good return policies, but I looked up all the prices and I have decided that getting an HP or a DELL wouldn't make sense after what you said quality wise, but also price wise:

HP ZR30w: about £1350
DELL 3008wfp: about £1150 (to be replaced by u3011, which is supposed to be a lot better, but will probably cost £1400/1500 or so..)
Apple 30" Cinema Display: about £995 (with student discount, otherwise £1200)
NEC LCD3090w: about £1400 (but you said the price should go down once the PA model is out?)
NEC PA271w: about £1250

If I'm going to pay 1300/1400 pounds, I might as well go with an NEC. If I sell my Merlin Steadicam that I barely use, I might be able to afford it.

Do you think the PA271w is a good alternative to the LCD3090w? It's not any less wide, just less high, right? .. and do you think the PA301w will be a lot better compared to the LCD3090w? If that's the case and I do decide to pay a bit more for an NEC monitor, I might as well wait for the PA301w, even if it's just to see a price drop for the LCD3090w.

Do you know how much the original NEC hoods are? What do they look like and what are they made of? (metal?)

 

[Honumaui]

the PA will be better than the 90 series
a truest friiend who also has NECs like me help set a buddy up with a new PA and he was blown away at how good it was ! also they are doing some new calibration in house that are making these come out very accurate from the factory ! but profiled out with SV it gets better
he was very impressed and since I know him that says a lot since he is picky like me

I am on the fence of getting a 27 now I loose the vertical pixels which I like to have for PS work ? but oh well get another 30 later

unless you need those extra vertical pixels ? I would say swing the 27 inch ?
and check on the SV model ? it is worth it you get the puck and software

the hood is plastic with some fuzzy stuff inside tech term fuzzy stuff heheheh
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Accessories/

 

[2contagious]

the PA will be better than the 90 series
a truest friiend who also has NECs like me help set a buddy up with a new PA and he was blown away at how good it was ! also they are doing some new calibration in house that are making these come out very accurate from the factory ! but profiled out with SV it gets better
he was very impressed and since I know him that says a lot since he is picky like me

I am on the fence of getting a 27 now I loose the vertical pixels which I like to have for PS work ? but oh well get another 30 later

unless you need those extra vertical pixels ? I would say swing the 27 inch ?
and check on the SV model ? it is worth it you get the puck and software

the hood is plastic with some fuzzy stuff inside tech term fuzzy stuff heheheh
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Accessories/

hehe ok, I'll either go for the PA 27" or wait for the 30" then thanks for all your help! I had never even considered an NEC monitor before, but going through several reviews, they seem to be amazingly good compared to other screens. One last thing: What kind of anti-glare coating do the 90 series and PA series have? Is it a softer matte finish or the ACD30"-esque grainy one?

EDIT: About SV models in Europe: Apparently in Europe, you can't get them.. they sell Spyder 3 hardware with hoods and software instead: http://www.nec-display-solutions.co...Options-HWCalibrationKit.xhtml?cat=LCD&e=e2s1

Apparently the European monitors can only carry the name "Spectraview" if they were cherry picked and that's why they are so expensive? (2205 pounds and that's not including VAT!)
http://www.nec-display-solutions.co...e+3090/SV-Reference+3090.xhtml?cat=LCD&e=e6s1

 

[Honumaui]

like I said earlier I know they have lic issues and getting SV is different over the pond which has something to do with Lic of basICColor which is the base of the SV software ?
not sure how buying basICColor seperate works with the NEC ?
again which I could help more but I try not to talk without experience and I have none with the euro versions
so would love to hear back about the solution you end up with and what the puck and software you did was ?
and get the SV how ever you can cause it will be worth it !
and you can use that on any other NEC so you wont have to get it again



now the hand picked ? I did not see that ? and from a bud inside NEC I was told that was info that is floating out in the internet that is wrong ? but again this is US side ?
I am not doubting you or NEC I am just not familiar with the EU models ?
any info on the nec site that says this or am I missing it somehow heheheeh
I do that sometime right in front of you and where is it
again I am familiar with US stuff and just would love to know if its on their site
anyway funny cause I keep putting the 27 in my cart when I see a good price just have to hit the pay button one day

just spent 3K on more storage and 5k on another desktop so wife might get mad if I buy one
our couch is comfy though heheheheheheh

not sure how the PA is compared since I dont have a PA yet so cant say
the 90 is nicer than the apple in that effect of sparkly ?
its like a Porsche everything from the fit to finish is nicer on the NEC


for fun
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Series/?series=f52d7f47-df4d-4223-b75e-c23e8b085ed7

you can see how are choices are different ?

that one link to the kit looked like it was for a 22 inch monitor ? but still interesting and the fact NEC site has a spyder 3 has peaked my curiosity


also this
http://www.nec-display-solutions.co...s-MultiProfilerSoftware.xhtml?cat=LCD&e=e10s1
is what is going to be nice about the PA series !!!



came across this ? read it seems to be a decent review
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_pa271w.htm

reading a bit interesting they mention hand picked monitors ? huh interesting things could have changed and the EU versions might be that way thats cool
interesting would be fun to get my hands on the euro software
the more I am reading about the EU software the more I want to try it

I am remembering I did some research a bit ago on this but it slipped my mind hehehehe

 

[Honumaui]

combined above

 

[2contagious]

Wow, I just read that the uber expensive "Reference" branded models (the European cherry picked "SV" ones) don't even come with a calibrator, just with the software and a hood. I guess they had to make up for the cost of cherry picking good panels somewhere...

I think I might wait for the PA301w if it will really cost the same as the LCD3090w. Should come out this or next month, no?

Do you know what NEC is like in terms of warranty? In general.. and when it comes to dead pixels and backlight non-uniformity. Do you think they would care and swap out a monitor that has dead pixels or a non-uniform backlight?

 

[Honumaui]

Do you know what NEC is like in terms of warranty? In general.. and when it comes to dead pixels and backlight non-uniformity. Do you think they would care and swap out a monitor that has dead pixels or a non-uniform backlight?

no idea ? never had to use them my panels are perfect ? lucky me
I imagine your and my side of things handle things dif anyway ?

yeah its interesting so much variance on things
also on that test funny how the US version of SV came out with a very very small margin of better numbers ?


remember the larger a panel gets the more chance of issues the uniformity on the larger NEC are better than anything though look at the other reviews where your corners vary by over 10 or more sometimes

I can say Apple has handled a dead 30 inch just fine when it went out !


yeah NEC said fall and gave Sep as a estimate ? I am so wanting it


I can get the 27 inch SV model for $1341.59
that is pretty cheap and if the 30 is going to be just over $2200 ? thats a lot more for a few pixels in vert mode only
notice I am justifying myself buying new monitors !!!

 

[2contagious]

I can say Apple has handled a dead 30 inch just fine when it went out !

What was the backlight like on the first one you had and the one you got as a replacement?

yeah NEC said fall and gave Sep as a estimate ? I am so wanting it

This month, huh? It's a sign!! haha

I can get the 27 inch SV model for $1341.59
that is pretty cheap and if the 30 is going to be just over $2200 ? thats a lot more for a few pixels in vert mode only
notice I am justifying myself buying new monitors !!!

30 inch: 2200 U.S. dollars = 1 424.22477 British pounds. That's about the same price as in the UK (for the current 3090 model).
27 inch: 1300 U.S. dollars = 841.587363 British pounds. That's A LOT cheaper than the 27 inch is here: in the UK you'd have to pay 1200 pounds (1 854 dollars), so the price difference between the 27" and the 30" is more or less 200-250 pounds depending on where you get it from. If the PA30 model really doesn't cost more than the current model, buying the 27" model over the 30" would be stupid in the UK.

 

[Honumaui]

half the CFL went out so the top half was BLACK !!!!!! YIKES

called apple told em whats up
and they said would you like to buy apple care for it at this time ? and that way its all on us or would you like to skip it and pay whatever the bill might be ?
no brainer pay a fee and not worry or get a bill of how knows how much
could not believe they did this ??? strange forgot how long we had it but thought it was over a year ?


yeah for me the 30 normal not SV at $2159 or the 27 SV model at $1341 and I get free shipping and no tax ! the regular non SV 27 inch for me is $1239
so for me no brainer to pay $110 extra get the SV

now the brainer is since the SV model of the 30 inch might be $2400 ? thats $1100 bucks more for 160 vertical pixels ??? I love 30s but we have them already for us its more about a new color accurate monitor than size
and the way LR layout is I am not sure I am going to see the extra vert pixels anyway cause the way the two menu bars on each side take up space my images wont stretch out in normal view ?
talking myself into it more and more hehhehehe


you can see why the 27 for me is such a tempting thing

funny how on your side its so close ? and yeah I think it would be tough as for that much might as well jump to the 30

lets hope its sep for your sake

now if I can get the UK software and you can get the US prices on the 27 we would be set

 

[2contagious]

half the CFL went out so the top half was BLACK !!!!!! YIKES

called apple told em whats up
and they said would you like to buy apple care for it at this time ? and that way its all on us or would you like to skip it and pay whatever the bill might be ?
no brainer pay a fee and not worry or get a bill of how knows how much
could not believe they did this ??? strange forgot how long we had it but thought it was over a year ?


yeah for me the 30 normal not SV at $2159 or the 27 SV model at $1341 and I get free shipping and no tax ! the regular non SV 27 inch for me is $1239
so for me no brainer to pay $110 extra get the SV

now the brainer is since the SV model of the 30 inch might be $2400 ? thats $1100 bucks more for 160 vertical pixels ??? I love 30s but we have them already for us its more about a new color accurate monitor than size
and the way LR layout is I am not sure I am going to see the extra vert pixels anyway cause the way the two menu bars on each side take up space my images wont stretch out in normal view ?
talking myself into it more and more hehhehehe

you can see why the 27 for me is such a tempting thing

funny how on your side its so close ? and yeah I think it would be tough as for that much might as well jump to the 30

lets hope its sep for your sake

now if I can get the UK software and you can get the US prices on the 27 we would be set

Diglloyd didn't seem to like the 16:9 ratio for viewing/editing photos. He did love it for web design and viewing websites though: http://diglloyd.com/articles/Recommended/displayNEC27.html

"The difference is immediately noticeable when viewing standard DSLR images, which have an aspect ratio of 3:2: the screen feels a bit truncated vertically if you are used to a full 30" display, as I am."

I just sent NEC UK an email asking about the release of the PA301w and about their warranty etc. Let's see what they'll say.. I doubt they can provide any info on the release of the 30" though.

 

[Honumaui]

sometimes dont agree with Lloyd on things ?

yeah I like the 30 more but 160 pixels for what might be $1000 ?

the aspect thing depends on how you work on images ? most photographers I know work with menus not the image open in one window ? so with menus on the side things change

if he does one large window thats fine ? but I know other retouchers who feel having menus on the same monitor is quicker cause your eye does not break away from the image to another monitor and back all the time ?
its a personal thing for sure

in LR having the side panels open is faster and you are left with a work area on a regular monitor with wasted space above and below the horiz images ? so the vert images might help a bit from the taller as I am aware of

in PS I prefer the vertical resolution but also dont mind a almost square workspace as when I deal with images in vert or horiz mode they come in the same and my rhythm of zooming and fixing is better this way ?

dual 30s on our layout machine is pretty sweet I can say that

yeah will be curious what they say ?