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batting1000

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All I am saying is that battery life has NEVER been a focus of a beta 1 release. Historically, battery life in any beta 1 release has always sucked. You don't have to get all butt-hurt because the battery life in beta 1 is bad.

Are you running this on your daily driver? If so, you got what you deserved. If not, what's all the whinging about?

Well it is now because they specifically quoted better battery life in the keynote...in the past, they've never done that. I know this is beta 1 and battery life typically is not good in beta 1s ( and I accept that), but when they say that you'll get an extra hour of battery life, I'm looking for SOME SORT of improvement (doesn't have to be a full hour as announced). However, we all got a battery drain that cut most of our batteries in half. I want to run it as a daily driver so I can report bugs and help with the development process but I'm unable to do so because my device doesn't make it through half the day. Devs shouldn't have to keep their devices tethered 24/7 to test their apps either.
 

AZhappyjack

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Well it is now because they specifically quoted better battery life in the keynote...in the past, they've never done that. I know this is beta 1 and battery life typically is not good in beta 1s ( and I accept that), but when they say that you'll get an extra hour of battery life, I'm looking for SOME SORT of improvement (doesn't have to be a full hour as announced). However, we all got a battery drain that cut most of our batteries in half. I want to run it as a daily driver so I can report bugs and help with the development process but I'm unable to do so because my device doesn't make it through half the day. Devs shouldn't have to keep their devices tethered 24/7 to test their apps either.

You have unrealistic expectations for a first beta, my friend.
 

jonblatho

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... in an iOS 9 thread... Now I am.

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So you reply to a post mentioning iOS 8.4 by blathering about iOS 9?

Alright then.
 
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jonblatho

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I've been using beta 1s since iOS 4...I don't believe my expectations are unrealistic. I've never seen a drain this bad in a beta 1, aside from iOS 7 I believe.

Even iOS 7.0b1 wasn't this bad for me, and that was bad. Battery life on iOS 9.0b1 is an abortion.
 

Saturnine

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I've been using beta 1s since iOS 4...I don't believe my expectations are unrealistic. I've never seen a drain this bad in a beta 1, aside from iOS 7 I believe.

I've used every iOS beta that Apple have ever put out, on both iPhone and iPad and I agree - I've never seen battery drain like this. Nor have I ever had a device that runs so warm it's uncomfortable to hold. I would go so far as to say this beta should never have left the lab!

There's quick battery drain, a la iOS 7 beta 1, and then there's this: "Holy **** did anybody see where my battery went?!"
 
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Dwalls90

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Yeah, but those weren't major changes like iOS 9. I imagine development for iOS 9 involves a whole lot more work than 8.4 with all the changes that it is bringing.

Beta 2 of a major iOS release (X.0.0) has always come within 15 days of the first release. So, it could come at 3PM PDT (6PM EST) today, or it could even come tomorrow. Could it come many days from now down the line? Yea, but that would go against history.
 

VSMacOne

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Beta 2 of a major iOS release (X.0.0) has always come within 15 days of the first release. So, it could come at 3PM PDT (6PM EST) today, or it could even come tomorrow. Could it come many days from now down the line? Yea, but that would go against history.

Sure, but again, I don't remember there ever being a new major iOS version in beta at the same time with a previous version. So you have 8.4 beta development with the huge task of Apple Music (which they want to get right from the beginning because it's a pretty big deal) and on top of that you have a pretty significant 9.0 beta under pretty much the same department. Unless Apple has done some significant hiring, I imagine the dev department is stretched pretty thin right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if 9 took the backseat to 8.4 for another week and we don't see a new beta until next week. Regardless of what they've done in the past.
 

Dwalls90

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Sure, but again, I don't remember there ever being a new major iOS version in beta at the same time with a previous version. So you have 8.4 beta development with the huge task of Apple Music (which they want to get right from the beginning because it's a pretty big deal) and on top of that you have a pretty significant 9.0 beta under pretty much the same department. Unless Apple has done some significant hiring, I imagine the dev department is stretched pretty thin right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if 9 took the backseat to 8.4 for another week and we don't see a new beta until next week. Regardless of what they've done in the past.

This isn't the first time they've rolled out an iOS update, alongisde a beta of an entire new version of iOS.
 

mizxco

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You were surprised by that fact? Battery life is always horrible on the first beta of any version of iOS - because battery life is not the primary focus of beta 1. Ever.

That's like advertising a new car with excellent mileage being one of the key features.
and during the first demo (or preview if you will)? Ran out of the fuel exiting the garage.

Do I expect it to be perfect in b1? Nope.
Should it go completely against one of its key features? Not really.
Should we understand that the average dev's testing phone is his daily driver? Kinda.
 

mizxco

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No it's not, in fact it's a rediculous analogy.

Okay, Boeing demos new firmware for 777, saving energy as its key feature.
Battery failed 4 times during first airline testing, acceptable?

Another one since this is fun:
Guy advertises NEW ice-cream that doesn't melt in the sun.
It's new so we accept that if it's not perfect in b1 right?
His ice-cream melts.
 
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Ubuntu

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That's like advertising a new car with excellent mileage being one of the key features.
and during the first demo (or preview if you will)? Ran out of the fuel exiting the garage.

Do I expect it to be perfect in b1? Nope.
Should it go completely against one of its key features? Not really.
Should we understand that the average dev's testing phone is his daily driver? Kinda.

That's why I still have my old iPhone 4S running iOS 9 for development purposes.. As tempted as I am to run iOS 9 on my daily driver I know its just not a great idea this early on.

Also the car comparison isn't really a fair one seeing as one product is tangible and the other is not. I may not have decades of experience in this industry but I've not worked on a software product where optimisation of any sort has been high on the priority list in the early days of development. I'm not trying to provide excuses for Apple but they honestly would be wasting their time if they were focusing on things like battery life in the first beta.
 

Ubuntu

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Okay, Boeing demos new firmware for 777, saving energy as its key feature.
Battery failed 4 times during first airline testing, acceptable?

Another one since this is fun.
Guy advertises NEW ice-cream that doesn't melt in the sun.
It's new so acceptable if it's not perfect in b1 right?
His ice-cream melts.

So the Boeing one wasn't great either as that'd likely be classed as safety-critical firmware, meaning it probably wouldn't get to client testing until its been rigorously tested in-house.
 

kevroc

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Another one since this is fun:
Guy advertises NEW ice-cream that doesn't melt in the sun.
It's new so we accept that if it's not perfect in b1 right?
His ice-cream melts.

You are close to right, but let me correct you since you are missing the point.

Guy unveils new ice cream that doesn't melt, but in b1 it doesn't taste as good as the previous ice cream. That's okay because the point is not melting. The flavor will be adjusted now that initial priority was met. That's how the beta process works.

Battery life is an "Optimization" process. Once key features are debugged they can analyze how to then optimize those features. Doesn't make much sense to attempt to optimize something that doesn't work, just adds to the confusion of why it doesn't work.
 

mizxco

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So the Boeing one wasn't great either as that'd likely be classed as safety-critical firmware, meaning it probably wouldn't get to client testing until its been rigorously tested in-house.

Go with the Ice-cream one.

Another one since this is really really fun?
Panasonic pushes new firmware that support 16:9 on the backseat screen.
During first tech preview, airline boots it up to find out video is still 4:3.
But noone is pissed cuz it's b1 :)
 

mizxco

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You are close to right, but let me correct you since you are missing the point.

Guy unveils new ice cream that doesn't melt, but in b1 it doesn't taste as good as the previous ice cream. That's okay because the point is not melting. The flavor will be adjusted now that initial priority was met. That's how the beta process works.

Battery life is an "Optimization" process. Once key features are debugged they can analyze how to then optimize those features. Doesn't make much sense to attempt to optimize something that doesn't work, just adds to the confusion of why it doesn't work.

I think with that analogy, Apple focused on putting stuff on the 'Search' screen, than working on the battery optimisation part, which was a FULL SCREEN slide feature promoted in the Keynote.
 

Ubuntu

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Go with the Ice-cream one.

Another one since this is really really fun?
Panasonic pushes new firmware that support 16:9 on the backseat screen.
During first tech preview, airline boots it up to find out video is still 4:3.
But no is pissed cuz it's b1 :)

For what its worth, I couldn't really fault the ice cream one. :p
 
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ViviUO

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I can't believe how up in arms some people are about the battery life of this beta round. Just because past beta releases may have done better with power management doesn't mean this one has to.

As a software engineer, I plead with you guys to NEVER enter the project management field.
 
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