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Beyond the M1 hype and why the fairy dust needs to settle.
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Hmmm. The 2016-2017 macbooks would like a word with you cause they are the worst high end computers ever made.
Failing keyboard, bad ssd, bad batteries and weak display cables that break after you open and close the lid number of times. And lastly bad thermals.
The 2018-2019 13" and 15" had broken keyboards that will fail and still BAD thermals due not enough heat pipes and larger airflow.
Remember these are 2000$ to 3000$ dollar machines. They had awful durability.
Modern MacBook's have the worst durability relative to their price.
Maybe If you owned the 2016 and 2017 macbooks you would have a different view on Apple's durability of their macbooks.
If you want durability now go for a high end ThinkPad.
Who's knows what new design issues the new macbooks will bring this year?
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I use a i5 4460 and GTX 750ti, 8GB system and 500GB SSD and it runs smooth under Windows 10 and Linux and I brought that machine in 2015. I could upgrade my SSD easily if it fails or if I need a upgrade, RAM is upgradeable and
GPU too.
I know in the intel iMacs and Mac Mini the RAM is upgradeable easily but that's about it.
In future Mac desktops its likely that nothing will be replaceable expect the Mac Pro.
Oh please, the SSD in the Mac Pro that comes pre-installed by Apple is replaceable. M.2 comes in range of form factors to able to be fit in a MacBook.
The SDD in the Mac Pro is tied to T2 chip SSD controller and is still replaceable. Apple CAN make the Macbook M1 SSD replaceable but choose not too, because of greed.
Because say if the SSD does fail and sometimes SSDs do fail they are not immune to failure. The user would HAVE to pay a large sum to replace the whole logic board. We know how much Apple charges for a logic board: $700
Now on the other hand if the SSD was user replaceable this would be an easy fix and WAY cheaper than $700.
Now all of this is assuming the SSD fails after the 1 year warranty.
apple did
from their apple macook pro website:
".....processor we’ve ever built. Period. And it brings the world’s fastest integrated graphics in a personal computer,7 delivering a ridiculous 5x boost in graphics horsepower."
I love my apple things!
-when they are fully supported and don't need another power chord or thumb-scan reinstall every week.
there are just other efficient, responsive and durable laptops and operating systems on the market today.
same here. their iPhones and iPads are quality stuff. But Apple just can't do desktops and laptops properly and the amount of money they charge for mac "repair" and "upgrades" is honestly a scam.
Other point to make, Apple does not repair their computers, they replace.
Huh? They’re talking about integrated graphics how is that comparing to a threadripper? Threadripper’s don’t have integrated graphics...
They say this about the actual processor:
“Our high-performance core is the world’s fastest CPU core when it comes to low-power silicon” and the key word there is low power so not a 100W processor. And also when they say fast, they are talking about single thread performance not multi core performance.
High end thread ripper does NOT have an integrated GPU. Apple is comparing integrated graphics. It is literally in the sentence you underlined.
i have no idea what a threadripper is and i should have looked that up and whole hearted apologize.
BUT apple did state they are the fastest!
which i still think is a very bold statement.
Or... you know.... making the die bigger and/or ramping up power consumption and cooling. Or, as intel have been doing since 2014 (In addition to adding power and cooling) - refining the 5nm process and tweaking the core design. 14nm goes all the way back to Broadwell in 2014-2015, and as much as I think Intels performance improvement figures are BS, they HAVE made performance gains since then.
The M1 is a small chip running at low power with low or no cooling. All of those factors are traded off for battery life instead of performance. Likely, the exact same chip with zero changes could run 10-15% faster quite easily if it was given some more electricity and active cooling.
Never mind making the die larger (to fit more cores) with say 8+8 cores like they will for the 16" or iMac - as a baseline.
I haven’t found a single laptop outside of the M1 to get similar battery life, not even close.
Haven’t found one that doesn’t spin the fans even on low power tasks. My M1 doesn’t even have a fan.
It runs all the apps I need perfectly. I couldn’t care less about gaming, if I did I wouldn’t only have an M1 for my work and personal life.
There is no fairy dust. The machines are perfect for me and my wife loves hers too. I’m a 24 year IT “veteran”, I work on remote infrastructure and when I have to travel I want something that gets out of my way and let’s me just get the job done. The M1 does all of this for me.
Haven’t found one that doesn’t spin the fans even on low power tasks. My M1 doesn’t even have a fan.
It runs all the apps I need perfectly. I couldn’t care less about gaming, if I did I wouldn’t only have an M1 for my work and personal life.
There is no fairy dust. The machines are perfect for me and my wife loves hers too. I’m a 24 year IT “veteran”, I work on remote infrastructure and when I have to travel I want something that gets out of my way and let’s me just get the job done. The M1 does all of this for me.
It often seems like the common complaint of people hating on Macs and calling them “toys” is that they can’t play Windows games on them.
I had a 2017 Macbook Pro 15", i7. Bad batteries and bad thermals, died last year. Blew up like a balloon. Horrible experience.
So Apple should make a bespoke portable machine that only focuses on multithreaded performance and has a big cooling fan just for you and ignore their existing customer base and the fact that they are selling MBAs faster than they can make them?
Fastest: meaning single thread performance, and in the low-power category. Only AMD’s most recent high-end high-power cpus are faster in single-thread performance, and the M1 is a 10W chip. So they’re able to back this up.
So did you see me say anything like that? All I said is that battery life (and low power) doesn't matter to me, I'm always plugged in.
You have established you think Macs are worthless pos computers.... go back to your windows sites and enjoy your computers that you feel are so super duper grand and wonderful. We will keep our over hyped trash and and suffer in silence. (Mostly sarcastic if you can't tell.) Done with this thread.
My point is that many users do use their laptops as laptops rather than portables. Some people can't always work near a power outlet. For those users, battery life is important. It may not be important to you, but Apple doesn't just make and sell laptops just for you. They have to consider a wide range of use cases.
Just switched back to Windows after many years on the Mac and went with the ASUS G14. With casual browsing and the battery optimizations enabled I can get 9-11 hours of battery life, which is almost hysterical on a gaming laptop. And when I want to game I just turn it to Turbo mode and can play any game on ultra settings or video editing or whatever else I need to do. I was considering the M1 laptop as well, but I am enjoying the freedom of Windows again. The M1 is a great laptop though.
Not only macs can't play games but they don't have CUDA support, don't have any CAD software with all the toolsets available. They don't have support for enterprise applications. Most Healthcare applications are written for Windows PCs.
Video production is faster on PCs. You can get a Super Micro AMD motherboard with 64 core ThreadRipper with 2TB RAM and an RTX 3090 and 256gb SSD for around $35000.
The Mac Pro comes with a 28 Core weak Xeon (the 64 threadripper is MUCH faster), 1.5 TB RAM and Two Radeon Pro Vega II Duo with 2x32GB of HBM2 memory each and 256GB SSD. It comes to around $50000.
So to recap the Mac Pro comes with a significantly weaker CPU and GPU and has less support and is MUCH
more expensive. So tell me is Apple is not offering the best when it charges really high prices.