Blasphemous statement made by a relative on Easter.

[taelan28]

You clearly have nothing better to be doing if you can waste so much time on something so petty and vacuous. Or are you simply trolling for reaction at this stage ...

you know what? This is the most mental exercise I've gotten in a while. Its really tested my frame control especially on the first page and even again later. I'm pleased with how it turned out.

I was just outside and I'll try to put into words why it irked me. When people aren't informed then bad decisions get made and if they're properly informed then the good decision will eventually get made.

i.e.

• If we dont fight them over there they'll fight us over here (ironically we got both).
• I vote for Donald Trump. He's right. --why?-- because he'll make america great again.
• Smoking is cool and its not bad for my health.
• Ron Paul is pro drug use. He's a druggy. He's crazy.
• Avatar is the greatest movie ever. Its the highest grossing.

I taught kids for 6 years and I saw huge improvements in decision making when I refused to appeal to morals and rather appealed to raw information and driving that home. Instead of "dont his pencil. how would you feel if someone took your pencil." I'd ask them the question "Who's pencil is this/that" back and forth until they got the point that my pencil is here and his pencil is there, and me having the other person's pencil really doesn't help my situation. Or if they were running in the hallway and someone fell and got hurt I wouldn't lecture them on the rules, good manners, or acting their age. I'd cycle through questions "What were you doing? What happened? Why? What did I say?" and cycling through those questions until they stopped feeling bad/guilty/sorry and actually saw that their actions had intrinsically negative consequences, not because teacher says they're bad. ---well there's a lot of nuance to that stuff as well. Anyways: if people are informed they make the best decision. Notice how I didn't say "more informed" or "better informed".
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That's it? That's all he said?. Maybe he just wanted to finish his dinner, or enjoy a chocolate egg.


No, you should put nothing else in writing and never think about this "incident" ..also known as "small talk at family gatherings".. again.

Nah, it was conversation time. He said what he said and I didnt press him on it.

As for my writing: you did respond to it more than once and make some intelligent and productive posts.

 

[Night Spring]

He said what he said and I didnt press him on it.

Well, there you go. How was he to know you wanted a more detailed conversation if you just let it drop? It does sound like he was happy with his iPad, and mentioned the things that were most important TO HIM. Too bad those weren't the points YOU were interested in. He may very well be as technical, knowledgeable, and detailed as you were led to believe, but that doesn't mean the things he considers important about his tablet would be the same as what you wanted to talk about. Not everyone is interested in the design differences between Surface and iPad, and just because your cousin is in a technical field, doesn't mean he'll be interested/knowledgeable in that particular topic.

 

[taelan28]

Well, there you go. How was he to know you wanted a more detailed conversation if you just let it drop? It does sound like he was happy with his iPad, and mentioned the things that were most important TO HIM. Too bad those weren't the points YOU were interested in. He may very well be as technical, knowledgeable, and detailed as you were led to believe, but that doesn't mean the things he considers important about his tablet would be the same as what you wanted to talk about. Not everyone is interested in the design differences between Surface and iPad, and just because your cousin is in a technical field, doesn't mean he'll be interested/knowledgeable in that particular topic.

Because the way he said it, it was like his mind was made up and there was nothing else to discuss.

The ipad pro thing was only 1 of 3. I wish his A9X vs i5 statements would have been more accurate and his statements about Apple going with LCD vs OLED was incredibly smug. He also pointed out that the iWatch at an OLED screen to prove his point because iWatch doesnt sell that much and it has a small screen. I haven't seen fanboy rationalization or selective information like this since the days of the PS2 vs DC or PS2 vs Xbox. Probably if he said any one thing I would have ignored it, but all 3 compelled me to start this topic and see how others perceived the issues.

 

[mikezmac]

Wow so your opening post wasn't just an impulsive rant post in this forum - you actually posted the tirade on other forums and wished his wife would leave him there too. That's real classy.



Sadly the booze doesn't go on to explain posting such vitriol against a relative in two separate public forums after the event. That took pre-meditation and after thought to do so.




An honest conversation doesn't end with, "I hope his wife realizes what a doofus he is and takes half his stuff." ..... If that's what you really wanted then maybe more thought could have been put into your opening post, especially as you took the time to post it on multiple fora.

Oh dam.

 

[mikezmac]

iOS apps are better optimized then the full adobe suites or whatever creatives use on windows? That's pretty hard to believe. So why would creatives buy macs anymore? I've been hearing about more and more mac creatives moving to windows for heavy lifting due to gpu and hardware flexibility, along with the quality of windows programs not having the performance gap that used to exist between mac and pc in that field

Considering I work in design I'm unsure where you got this info. We design on Mac and render in a Linux farm. Windows.. No

 

[gotluck]

Considering I work in design I'm unsure where you got this info. We design on Mac and transfer in a Linux farm. Windows.. No

I was referring to heavy video editing, not sure if that is design. I'm not in that field

Isn't Linux gpu support weak? Well Mac gpu support is weak too so that must not matter

 

[spiderman0616]

Because the way he said it, it was like his mind was made up and there was nothing else to discuss.

But...there WASN'T anything to discuss. People like what they like. Badgering them until they agree with you is immature, annoying, and pointless. It's also incredibly inconsiderate to argue about this stuff at the table when people are trying to enjoy their holiday. I have a feeling your cousin was probably 500x more annoyed with you than anyone here.

 

[taelan28]

But...there WASN'T anything to discuss. People like what they like. Badgering them until they agree with you is immature, annoying, and pointless. It's also incredibly inconsiderate to argue about this stuff at the table when people are trying to enjoy their holiday. I have a feeling your cousin was probably 500x more annoyed with you than anyone here.

But i didn't badger him until he agreed with me. At no point in ALL these posts did I look for him to agree with me. I expected him to disagree with me. I just wanted good reasons. I have repeatedly said that I took issue with his information pertaining to the LCD vs OLED and A9X vs i5 and short reasons for preferring the IPP vs SP4 and how he came to his conclusions. I actually tried talking about how the Golden State Warriors were on a tear this year. He asked me about my job and I shared some stuff with him. I told him the horribly distasteful joke and he laughed his ass off. There were other things I would have liked to discuss with him, but never again will I talk about technology with him because to engage him deeper with it would turn into a petty fanboy war that you perceived happened, but didn't happen.

You may get the feeling that I annoyed him some obtuse number of times more than I was annoyed, but I counter that you're projecting your family issues and fan squabbles on to my situation thats not there. You're getting better and responding since the first page but you're so far off its silly. I wasn't even invited. I wasn't even at his house. In fact he was at our house. You make so many assumptions as to what happened and claim that my rebuttals are only accusing people of being wrong or reading wrong when in reality you truly are reading it wrong. Why is it everyone here has stopped pressing the issue or come to a mutual conclusion with me while you're looking for new ways to keep pressing it? Do you like me? Do you see a strong man with an iron frame and see a challenge to try and toy with him and drag him down like a media member tearing down someone famous? Really now... Is it because you thought i was a troll then said you didnt want this thread to end... which is trolling.

 

[kepler20b]

Apple doesnt ship phones with OLED because it wants to maintain its profit margins.

It has nothing to do with supply-- Samsung manufactures OLEDs for other hardware companies all the time (e.g. google).

 

[CE3]

I was referring to heavy video editing, not sure if that is design. I'm not in that field

Isn't Linux gpu support weak?

Video editing with Premiere Pro wins over anything iOS is currently offering.. no quesiton about it.. But I'd much rather work with applications that are specifically optmized for devices like the iPad, than a massive desktop app like Adobe Premiere on 10-13-inch display. Working with Premiere or Photoshop on my desktop or 15" Macbook is fine, but anything much smaller than that and the experience and productivity would start to deteriorate for me.

Adobe has been making some pretty cool iOS apps lately, and most these new apps the ability to hand off your work to their desktop counterparts for continued work there. I think this concept works much better for now, and I'd like to see them do something like this with Premiere for iOS. ETA: And it looks like you can already start editing footage on iOS in iMovie and continue in iMovie or Final Cut Pro on OS X. I knew this worked for GarageBand projects on iOS, but I didn't know it was the same for iMovie until now. Awesome.

 

[taelan28]

Apple doesnt ship phones with OLED because it wants to maintain its profit margins.

It has nothing to do with supply-- Samsung manufactures OLEDs for other hardware companies all the time (e.g. google).

yep, yep and yep.

 

[upritbass]

I just wanted good reasons.

Why weren't those good reasons?

Either the OP is a student at Emory University or we are being trolled. No one can be that self righteous and self important.

 

[taelan28]

Why weren't those good reasons?

Either the OP is a student at Emory University or we are being trolled. No one can be that self righteous and self important.

It was senior citizen-esque. I havent heard someone under 50 make those statements. The most generic BS answer I've heard since the launch of the OG ipad. It wasn't so much SELF important as it was expecting a more intelligent answer from others. Like asking God what the secret of life is and he says "f***in'". Not wrong, but really?

 

[Hastings101]

BLASPHEMMMMMYYY and to say such a thing on Easter, what a deviant. I felt naughty just reading your retelling of the event. His wife isn't gonna leave cuz she is a major sicko for loving someone like that, they deserve each other imo and hope they don't have kids.

Oh and T. Cook is totally right about OLED, hence why most Samsung users wear horribly mismatched shades of cream and creme socks. Korea can keep that technology.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I'm pretty lucky that everybody in my closest family extending to aunts, uncles and cousins uses iPhones and iPads. Tech talk never comes up so no disagreements to be had. Most people find it boring to talk about in any case unless they are enthusiasts on forums or need advice.

 

[lowendlinux]

I'm pretty lucky that everybody in my closest family extending to aunts, uncles and cousins uses iPhones and iPads. Tech talk never comes up so no disagreements to be had. Most people find it boring to talk about in any case unless they are enthusiasts on forums or need advice.

If I tried talking tech or cars at the dinner table my wife would give me you're going to sleep on the couch look

 

[MRU]

I'm pretty lucky that everybody in my closest family extending to aunts, uncles and cousins uses iPhones and iPads. Tech talk never comes up so no disagreements to be had. Most people find it boring to talk about in any case unless they are enthusiasts on forums or need advice.

Thing is I doubt any of us would have issue if it ever did come up at accepting someone had a different opinion. We would just pass it off, it wouldn't be something to brood over.

Heck given the OP's rants on this subject, I think we can fully understand the cousins reluctance to want to engage in conversation with him on this subject, and I suspect Any conversation, whether it was at the dinner table or not. I imagine most of us here are feeling the same way

 

[JaySoul]

This thread is amazing entertainment

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Thing is I doubt any of us would have issue if it ever did come up at accepting someone had a different opinion. We would just pass it off, it wouldn't be something to brood over.

Heck given the OP's rants on this subject, I think we can fully understand the cousins reluctance to want to engage in conversation with him on this subject, and I suspect Any conversation, whether it was at the dinner table or not. I imagine most of us here are feeling the same way

Indeed lol.
I've had a couple of conversations of this nature, one at a wedding and another at work where the person had an issue with me using an iPhone. I didn't argue, just smiled and shrugged my shoulders to which point they looked foolish. It's really not worth arguing over. These are rare conversations away from forums and if families are arguing over which mobile phone is better, well they had best get on the Jeremy Kyle show!

 

[MRU]

Indeed lol.
I've had a couple of conversations of this nature, one at a wedding and another at work where the person had an issue with me using an iPhone. I didn't argue, just smiled and shrugged my shoulders to which point they looked foolish. It's really not worth arguing over. These are rare conversations away from forums and if families are arguing over which mobile phone is better, well they had best get in the Jeremy Kyle show!

Lol. Yeah The JK show sprang to my mind when I first read this topic but I'm not sure the reference works outside of UK & Ireland.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Lol. Yeah The JK show sprang to my mind when I first read this topic but I'm not sure the reference works outside of UK & Ireland.

He's got a show in the US don't you know!!

I watched it during my week of unemployment

It's like the UK version but they all call each other 'Dogg' followed by 'know what I'm sayin?' Jeremy is just as patronising and loses his temper instantly and all the guests are on welfare with tattoos and sleep with their sisters. It's the perfect place for the OP and his cousin as this disagreement needs sorting out pronto!!

 

[hiddenmarkov]

This thread is amazing entertainment

Or disturbing. family/friends gatherings I go to tend to be about more normal topics. Like kids getting bigger, what's been going on...stuff like that. Only tech talk comes when it comes time for the family photo shooting and who is shooting it the stuff. And that is short lived as its get your camera dear from my wife. Wished another shooter in the family to offset that duty tbh. they could even be non Nikon (or zeiss or voigtlander...I use 3rd party lenses as well) and I would not care.

 

[upritbass]

they could even be non Nikon

Blaphemy!!!

So, OP, what do you think of Nikon cameras? I would only use a real camera with a real operating system.

 

[spiderman0616]

I'm pretty lucky that everybody in my closest family extending to aunts, uncles and cousins uses iPhones and iPads. Tech talk never comes up so no disagreements to be had. Most people find it boring to talk about in any case unless they are enthusiasts on forums or need advice.

Same--my family, both my side and my wife's side, used to be about half and half. I would say that at this point about 99% of them have switched to iOS. There are a couple of stragglers, but they are the kind of people that couldn't care less what kind of phone they use and just buy the one that's cheapest so they can text people. Therefore, there is absolutely no arguing about it anymore, which is WONDERFUL.

 

[taelan28]

Blaphemy!!!

So, OP, what do you think of Nikon cameras? I would only use a real camera with a real operating system.

The Sony NEX 5 and Alpha 5000 line are the only cameras I care about. They have the largest sensor for a mirrorless camera and they're compact. I find their photo quality to be as good as the high end stuff. Anything "better" than those Sony cameras is out of my price range, and too big. Further I can adjust the setting on those Sony cameras as fast or faster than I could on a bigger, more expensive camera. Every competing product either doesnt look sexy enough for me, the sensor isnt big enough or its missing some features. Credit to the competing Samsung NX line though. Those cameras dont look bad.