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Bought a Mac: What a mistake

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Glad to hear that you may get a resolution..

I understand the frustration after spending so much $$ and not getting exactly what you wanted..

I think some of the backlash posts are due to the title of the thread..

But, hopefully things will get better and you can sit back and enjoy your new purchase...


:)
 
dmurray14 said:
And thank you all for your excellent help - if this is any indication of the mac community, then it's probably going to be worth the extra effort.

Dan
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The people out here are priceless. I've had many questions answered. Definitely ashame you had to start out on the wrong foot, but you'll be happy once you get the problem resolved.
I've had 4 Macs (personally owned) and the only problem I ever had was the crappy Sony superdrive in my G5 machine. They replaced it with a Pioneer and things have been great since. :)
 
dmurray14 said:
If you have nothing helpful to offer and would rather argue with me about why Windows is inferior, then please leave your comments out of this thread.
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Sigh... again as I already said, I don't care if you decide to run Windows, and none of my posts were about you running Windows, they were about your possible misuse and misunderstanding of BootCamp and/or MacDrive, and this possibly leading to your recurring problem.

You still haven't elaborated on what you mean by Parallels not being native. Apple is likely pushing Parallels for a reason. Parallels is native, that's the whole point of it.

dmurray14 said:
I've been instructed to use only OSX and try to recreate the problem, at which point they would replace the laptop. This is completely fair to me, and I've now reinstalled OSX ONLY and I hope to have a new laptop soon.
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Isn't this exactly what I told you to do in the first place?

dmurray14 said:
You should be happy that I'm converting over to your beloved OSX
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Why? It doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever. I couldn't possibly care less what operating system some random individual on the internet is using.
 
Parrell may be native but it can not use 3d graphic and it is slower than booting into windows. It can not access the hardware nearly as well as windows could if it was the top OS.

To me it is not native. It is running ontop of OSX which is the native OS. So everything has to go though OSX before it can use the hardware. More it running 2 layers above native. Pallara and OSX before it can get to the hardwehre and there in lies the problem.

Booting straight into XP it much more native. Apple pushing it because they dont want to have there computer dual booting. Just boot into OSX and run XP on top of it. Dont mind the fact that the speed is reduced and you can not run 3d graphic on it.
 
dmurray14 said:
I'm not impressed. All these mac commercials boasting about how reliable the Mac is, and I've had to reinstall OSX TWO TIMES in the first 48 hours of owning it, now it looks like I have to do it again. First time the system froze and wouldn't find the mac partition on boot. Reinstalled OSX. Lasted about an hour before a program froze, and then it turned gray and told me to hold down my power button to restart. Fine. About 5 seconds after pushing the power button to turn it back on, same thing. It keeps doing it. Reinstall OSX AGAIN. This time, I had to force quit a program that was frozen. Decided to restart just for good measure. Now, it goes all the way through boot up, "starting mac osx" and then goes to a blue screen with the round spinning thing. After about 20 seconds I get to a darwin prompt (???) asking me to log in. WHY? And it won't even take my login. I'm frustrated to all hell, and I'm beginning to think this was a $2900 waste of money....

Please help if you can...

Dan
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Dude,

My friend had the same problem with her iMac when she bought it. Take it back, it is defective...
 
Timepass said:
To me it is not native. It is running ontop of OSX which is the native OS.
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I'm aware of the 3D acceleration thing. I'm pretty sure Parallels will figure that out, as Parallels for Mac is only relatively new software. In terms of processing anything, it should be as fast as a PC. You are all massively misusing the term "native" though. Parallels is not emulated therefore it is native. It doesn't matter what you feel it should be called, that's improper use of the word hence the confusion in the thread.
 
dpaanlka said:
Sigh... again as I already said, I don't care if you decide to run Windows, and none of my posts were about you running Windows, they were about your possible misuse and misunderstanding of BootCamp and/or MacDrive, and this possibly leading to your recurring problem.

You still haven't elaborated on what you mean by Parallels not being native. Apple is likely pushing Parallels for a reason. Parallels is native, that's the whole point of it.



Isn't this exactly what I told you to do in the first place?



Why? It doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever. I couldn't possibly care less what operating system some random individual on the internet is using.
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Sigh... again as I already said, I don't care if you decide to run Windows, and none of my posts were about you running Windows, they were about your possible misuse and misunderstanding of BootCamp and/or MacDrive, and this possibly leading to your recurring problem.
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Go back and look at the post. There are TWO posts quoted, and it should be common sense which one I was responding to at that point...

Isn't this exactly what I told you to do in the first place?
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Where did I say that it wasn't what you told me in the first place? Did you want credit?


Why? It doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever. I couldn't possibly care less what operating system some random individual on the internet is using.
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That's fine, then please just let the helpful individuals respond to my post and crap on someone else's.

And don't tell me that running an operating system inside of another is native. That makes no sense. Native implies it is running on its own, not through another system. Parallels is not native. Even if it was, it's not what I want, so back off.

I'm done arguing with you, this is stupid. You're not helping at all at this point, and you know it.

Dan
 
dmurray14 said:
And don't tell me that running an operating system inside of another is native. That makes no sense. Native implies it is running on its own, not through another system. Parallels is not native. Even if it was, it's not what I want, so back off.
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No, it is native. Native means there is no processor emulation occuring. I'm not going to leave this so some unfortunate person who is looking for information on Parallels in the future leaves this thread thinking Parallels somehow doesn't run natively on Intel Macs. So you can carry on with you're desire to run Windows on your Mac, but I'm not going to stand by while you say Parallels isn't native based on what you're *opinion* of what the word "native" should mean. It is false to say that, and could possibly affect a few sales and hurt the bottom line of the fine people at Parallels.

Conclusion: I'm not trying to sell you Parallels. However, you need to stop insisting the reason you aren't using it is becuase "it isn't native."
 
dpaanlka said:
No, it is native. Native means there is no processor emulation occuring. I'm not going to leave this so some unfortunate person who is looking for information on Parallels in the future leaves this thread thinking Parallels somehow doesn't run natively on Intel Macs. So you can carry on with you're desire to run Windows on your Mac, but I'm not going to stand by while you say Parallels isn't native based on what you're *opinion* of what the word "native" should mean. It is false to say that, and could possibly affect a few sales and hurt the bottom line of the fine people at Parallels.

Conclusion: I'm not trying to sell you Parallels. However, you need to stop insisting the reason you aren't using it is becuase "it isn't native."
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Hate to barge in. Just wanted to add that I am sure all the negative comments about the new intel macs(MB, MBP mainly) hurt Apples bottom line. Are you going to defend them as well? Clearly not all the machines have those problems...

Anyhow. It may be native in the sense that Windows runs on an intel processor. However, Windows running inside OS X will be slower than Windows running on its own. You can't deny that.

Also. The fact that you need a special application to run Windows(Parallels) implies that it is not native, otherwise you could install Windows right on the Mac as if it were any other program. So I would lean toward saying it is not native. The Parallels website says nothing about native, it says it is virutalization, which obviously would mean Windows needs a virtual enviroment and therefore is NOT natively running inside OS X.
 
kevin.rivers said:
Hate to barge in. Just wanted to add that I am sure all the negative comments about the new intel macs(MB, MBP mainly) hurt Apples bottom line. Are you going to defend them as well? Clearly not all the machines have those problems...

Anyhow. It may be native in the sense that Windows runs on an intel processor. However, Windows running inside OS X will be slower than Windows running on its own. You can't deny that.

Also. The fact that you need a special application to run Windows(Parallels) implies that it is not native, otherwise you could install Windows right on the Mac as if it were any other program. So I would lean toward saying it is not native. The Parallels website says nothing about native, it says it is virutalization, which obviously would mean Windows needs a virtual enviroment and therefore is NOT natively running inside OS X.
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Thank you, it would appear I'm not crazy after all...
 
Look people. VirtualPC was not native. It emulated an x86 processor on PowerPC Macs. Parallels is native. It emulates nothing. It uses an x86 processor to run x86 software and there is no processor instruction translation involved. It's that simple.

kevin.rivers said:
The fact that you need a special application to run Windows(Parallels) implies that it is not native, otherwise you could install Windows right on the Mac as if it were any other program.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.
 
I've been following this thread and I am dieing to hear if you recieved a new system. Sorry to hear you got started on a bad note. I convinced a friend to buy a G5 and when we got it home it would not startup. We took it back and they gave us a new one.

Hopefully yours was replaced with a working system.
 
Listen to dpaanlka. Native refers to the instruction set. It is native x86 code running on x86 hardware and it still is that even if it's in a virtual machine.

For Parallels, use running in a virtual environment, as a client OS, or similar terms, but don't use non-native, because it's an incorrect use of the term.


As for the dmurray14's bootcamp problems. I've read the thread I still think it's too soon to dismiss the possibility that MacDrive is the culprit. You said you've been into Windows and done stuff with the NTFS/MacDrive combo, then you did the hardware check and later on OS X started getting kernel panics again.

There's no guarantee that the hardware check should find borked file system nodes in the HFS+ file system. If MacDrive somehow corrupts parts of the file system this could very well show up later on as random appearing problems in OS X when those nodes are accessed.

It doesn't have to be that, but it could.
 
gekko513 said:
For Parallels, use running in a virtual environment, as a client OS, or similar terms, but don't use non-native, because it's an incorrect use of the term.
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Thank you, that's all I am trying to say. Just use the proper terminology!

gekko513 said:
As for the dmurray14's bootcamp problems. I've read the thread I still think it's too soon to dismiss the possibility that MacDrive is the culprit..
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I second that opinion. Although, it could be just a fairly common hard drive failure. I'm about 50/50 on "feeling" which problem it is.
 
i dont get your logic
obviously alll macs break down the first day they come and every user has to install osx 2 times in 2 days...youve obviously got a bogus unit send it back get a new one
 
dpaanlka said:
I'm aware of the 3D acceleration thing. I'm pretty sure Parallels will figure that out, as Parallels for Mac is only relatively new software. In terms of processing anything, it should be as fast as a PC. You are all massively misusing the term "native" though. Parallels is not emulated therefore it is native. It doesn't matter what you feel it should be called, that's improper use of the word hence the confusion in the thread.
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You are deluding you self if you think is EVER going to be as fast as computer booting into it.

It just not possible software wise.

A computer booting into windows goes XP>Hardware (1 step)
A XP running on Parallels goes XP>Parallels>OSX>hardware. That really does add a lot of time and lag time. It will not nearly as stable because a glitch in any one of those 4 can crash it. A small glitch in OSX could easily case XP to crash in Paralles. Heck a hardware glitch that would not effect XP if it was the main OS could easily crash it in Paralles because the problem has been manafied by going though several extra layers.

Paralles is noughting more than emulating another computer. Yeah it running native on the hardware but it is still emulating a computer. Just look at those virtaul computers in the PC world and you noticed they are always slower and they struggle with the 3d stuff still.
 
Timepass said:
Paralles is noughting more than emulating another computer. Yeah it running native on the hardware but it is still emulating a computer. Just look at those virtaul computers in the PC world and you noticed they are always slower and they struggle with the 3d stuff still.
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Sigh, I thought we wrapped this up several posts ago...

Parallels has been shown to be as fast as Boot Camp in most cases, and in some cases even faster. Obviously if you want to play the latest 3D games paralles is not for you, but otherwise it isn't that bad of an option.

And none of this has anything to do with whether or not it is "native" - yes, it is friggen' native! It is native native native! It is not emulating anything! Ahhhhh!!!!
 
dpaanlka said:
Sigh, I thought we wrapped this up several posts ago...

Parallels has been shown to be as fast as Boot Camp in most cases, and in some cases even faster. Obviously if you want to play the latest 3D games paralles is not for you, but otherwise it isn't that bad of an option.

And none of this has anything to do with whether or not it is "native" - yes, it is friggen' native! It is native native native! It is not emulating anything! Ahhhhh!!!!
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Well the only reason I can guess is Parralles could out run XP running as the main OS can have the blamed traced down to Apple and the lack of proper driver support. If the drivers for XP where correct and good speeds would improve. The drivers in XP by default are ment to only get the computer up and running and what it really needs are correct drivers. (something apple does not have to deal with because they control there hardware and can make sure OSX includes all the drivers they need off the bat).

Other wise apple is to blame for the slower speeds.
 
dpaanlka said:
Yes... Apple really aught to increase their driver support for the competition's OS. Yes...
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Umm it not stupid. Apple is a hardware company before it is a software company.

Providing better driver support for windows means the people who buy apple computers happier which means more apple computer being sold. For the people on the edge who need to boot into windows.

The people clearly want OSX as there main OS but need/want windows for other stuff.

M$ is software before hardware. Apple is hardware before software. All the software they make is there to sell more hardware.
 
Ummm it would be entirely unecessary for Apple to support two OSes on it's own computers, the entire point of which is to NOT run one of the OSes. A waste of their time. Honestly, I really don't think Steve Jobs wants people running Windows on his products, and am quite glad to see that they seem to be pushing Parallels now more than boot camp.
 
Timepass said:
Other wise apple is to blame for the slower speeds.
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:confused: You mean to say that Intel, ATI and the other chipset OEMs that actually provid the hardware and drivers to Apple are supplying Apple's Windows counterparts somehow "inferior" drivers?

I think not. The places where Parallels seems to have perhaps a very slight edge over BC is in areas that are disk/memory/CPU bound and thus rely almost entirely on Intel's base chipset drivers. Blame Intel or Microsoft if you must blame someone.

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